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Diebold Whistle-Blower Charged With Felony Access

Vicissidude writes "An employee of law firm Jones Day found legal memos showing that their client, Diebold Election Systems, had used uncertified voting systems in Alameda County elections beginning in 2002 - violating California election law. The whistle-blower turned over the memos to the Oakland Tribune, which published the legal memos on its website in April 2004. The company's AccuVote-TSx model was subsequently banned in May 2004. Now, the whistle-blower, Stephen Heller, has been charged in L.A. Superior Court with felony access to computer data, commercial burglary, and receiving stolen property. If convicted on all three counts, Heller could face up to three years and eight months in state prison. Blair Berk, Heller's attorney state, "Certainly, someone who saw those documents could have reasonably believed that thousands of voters were going to be potentially disenfranchised in upcoming elections." Sandi Gibbons, spokeswoman for the L.A. County district attorney's office rebuts, "He's accused of breaking the law... If we feel that the evidence shows beyond a reasonable doubt in our minds that a crime has been committed, it's our job as a criminal prosecutor to file a case.""

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  1. Gun-Toting Whistle-Blower Charged with Felony Acce by ExE122 · · Score: 5, Funny

    And in other news, whistle-blower Charleton Heston has been charged with attempts to incite a riot as well as breaking and entering at a government food production facility. Although the production of their main product was found to use human beings as a source for protein and flavoring agents, Mr. Heston has been brought into custody.

    His public outcries of "Soylent Green is people!" led to a riot that left 4 people dead and many hospitalized in various conditions.

    "He did not have clearance to enter the facility. He broke the law, and that's that", said the prosecuting attorney while nibbling on a cube of Soylent Yellow.

    The NRA President faces up to 5 years in prison if convicted.

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  2. Legal Questions by XorNand · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most of what I know about the legal system I learned from watching Law & Order, so maybe a real lawyer can pipe in here: Would the whistle blower's work be protected from disclosure as attorney-client work product? But if the information he had was evidence of a continuing criminal conspiracy, wouldn't the attorney-client privledge be invalidated? BTW, the man (Stephen Heller) was not an employee (as started in the blurb), but a subcontractor. Does this change the legal questions?

    One thing that I don't need a JD to see is that the prosecutors have their work cut out for them in convincing a jury that this man deserves to go to prision. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see a politician who's up for reelection in November introduce and grandstand over some new legistlation that would have protected this guy.

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    1. Re:Legal Questions by gurutc · · Score: 2

      Would his failure to act on his knowledge of alleged lawbreaking make him an accessory?

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    2. Re:Legal Questions by l2718 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      IANAL either, but it seems to me that a law criminalizing the act of an employee revealing internal company documents makes sense, especially when this involved attorneys speculating on the legality of actions of their client. I mislike calling information "property" -- for the life of me I can't understand why this guy is being charged with theft -- but the I think the principle of this suit is sound and makes for good policy.

      Now, whistleblowing is good, but part of attorney-client privilege is that people should be free to ask a lawyer "I've done X -- was that a crime?" and be able to rely on the lawyer's office to keep that discussion secret. This should have been handled differently if the leaker was an employee of Diebold, rather than a subcontractor for their laywer.

    3. Re:Legal Questions by mooingyak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The whistle-blower turned over the memos to the Oakland Tribune, which published the legal memos on its website in April 2004.

      If he'd been working with police on an investigation he might be in the clear. Turning it over to a newspaper could present a problem for him though.

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    4. Re:Legal Questions by iocat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      To me it's amazing the Tribune printed anything about the case, since it seems to omit any reporting on crime in Oakland... But I've voted in Alameda county since 2001, and I have no faith any of my votes have ever been counted. The incompetence of the poll workers, combined with the easily hackability / uselessness of the machines (one year I could have voted twice, in the same kiosk, with the same 'smart card') is just stunning. Not to get too local, but does anyone from SF know who makes those voting systems? As I recall, they switched from punch cards to a system where you draw a black line between two other black lines. An optical reader will reject any ballots where you vote >1 in a single race when you try to hand in the ballot. So, no "hanging chad" incidents, and a solid, unambigious, paper record of each vote.

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    5. Re:Legal Questions by anagama · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I can't comment on CA, I work in WA, but there are some exceptions to confidentiality for WA state attorneys. RPC 1.6(b)(1) allows breaking confidentiality to prevent a crime. Just to be clear, this is WA's rule and CA could be different.

      As this guy wasn't an attorney, and the Rules of Prof. Conduct exist to scare attorneys into good behavior, the prosecution is likely based on some law in a "computer tresspass" vein. Whatever -- the prosecutor needs to have his head examined. What a freakin' idiot.

      The interesting question here for me is what may happen to the law firm. I know in WA that I'm held responsible for breaches made by my employees. That's not a small matter when it could put a very expensive license on the line -- I'll be paying $700/month in student loans for the next 25 years for mine and my loans aren't that bad compared to others'.

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    6. Re:Legal Questions by professionalfurryele · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I question the law on this one if it is as you say.

      In matters where government might be fradulently elected you cant trust the police or any other arm of government. It should be recognised in law that a whistle-blowers first port of call is irrelevant and that they have a moral obligation to go to the source that will most readily dispense the information the public has a right to know to the public, whatever that might be.

      The whole point is to guard against conspiracy, you cant do that if your only legal recourse if an arm of the very thing you are trying to counteract.

    7. Re:Legal Questions by h4rm0ny · · Score: 2, Interesting


      If I knew a big corporation like Diebold was doing something like this in the USA, and I wished to prevent it, I would go to the media, rather than the law. I might of course do both, but realistically, which is going to get results in any kind of timescale that is meaningful.

      What do you do? Call the local police? Lot of faith there. Begin procedings yourself? With what financial backing? Go to the government? At the speed they move and when there's a suspicion of complicity (not unreasonable with Diebold's ties)?

      If you actually care about democracy, go to the media. Clearly it is the public that is the victim in a vote-rigging, so clearly the public should be told.

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  3. Wow by Ravenscall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If this is not summarily dismissed for the crock it is, Whistleblowing in this country will officially be dead, federal protections notwithstanding.

    Living here is becoming creepier and creepier, I think some of Katz's old paranoid ramblings here may not have been so paranoid.

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    1. Re:Wow by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As they say in the excellent movie Strange Days, "It's not whether you're paranoid [Lenny], it's whether you're paranoid enough." It's not like I'm the first person to notice that something smells rotten in the white house and point it out to people, but people who were calling me paranoid and insane just a few years ago are coming around to my way of thinking... starting in the last few years. I was a paranoid little shit as a teenager and now I'm bigger, and still paranoid.

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  4. Is this really a crime? by Ckwop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Certainly, someone who saw those documents could have reasonably believed that thousands of voters were going to be potentially disenfranchised in upcoming elections."

    So let me get this straight. His "crime" was the fact he alert people to the fact that the local elections were flawed due to the use of uncertified equipment? Is it their argument that because of this people might have disengaged from local politics and that hurts society and thus requires punishment? That's not just absurd, it's scarey.

    He's accused of breaking the law... If we feel that the evidence shows beyond a reasonable doubt in our minds that a crime has been committed, it's our job as a criminal prosecutor to file a case.

    No it is not. It is your job to prosecute if the following criteria are met:

    1. There is sufficient evidence against the person in question.
    2. It is in the public interest to prosecute.

    While the first criteria may well be true, the second one is not. As an aside, pne of the assignments that my brother was asked when he was studying for his law degree was to answer the following question: "Given the fact that Parliament can make any law it pleases, without being constrained by the decisions of previous Parliaments, would the courts uphold a law that sactioned the execution of every blue-eyed baby in the country."

    The answer is no. Technically, the court would be obliged to rule in favour of Parliament. This is because we do not have a written constitution that safeguards our rights [1]. However, the view is that the courts would never uphold this because of it's incredible abhorence.

    The point of the excercise is to demonstrate one thing to woodbie lawyers: "Just because it's the law does not make it right." Morality and law are seperate beasts. Lying to your wife is immoral but it not a crime. In this case he may have broken the law, but frankly I think that is price worth paying for the value of the information he gave us. What he did was a crime but it was not immoral and did not seek to undermine society.

    Simon

    [1] - This is becoming less and less true. While in terms of legal theory it is certain that Parliament is not constrained by the decisions of previous Parliaments, in practice this isn't true. There are some acts that would be pretty much impossible to repeal. The European Communities Act (ECA) is a prime example of this kind of legislation. While it's legally possible to repeal the act doing so would require leaving the European Union which will never happen.

    Thanks to the ECA, we are slowly acquiring a constitution. The Human Rights Act of 1998 was derived from the European Convention on Human Rights and was the first act of Parliament to acknowledge our fundamental rights in the positive. (i.e. Paraliment stating we have these rights explictly rather than simply failing to prohibit these actions).

    1. Re:Is this really a crime? by nharmon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, this really is a crime. The devil is in the details.

      This guy is an employee of a law firm whose client sent them confidential information. This guy then took it upon himself to violate attorney-client priviledge and turn the documents over to a newspaper.

      IMHO, this is nothing like some poor bugger who informs on his employer for dumping toxic waste.

  5. Public Good? by 1_brown_mouse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is this lost in the political posturing of a grandstanding procecutor?

    How can one balance the voter fraud versus the revealing of "trade secrets?"

    More and more it is of the People, for the rich, by the ownership class.

    *mumbles about the revolution and walls*

  6. Justice American-style by Billosaur · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The charges arise from Heller's alleged disclosure two years ago of legal papers from the Los Angeles office of international law firm Jones Day, which represented Diebold at the time. Heller was under contract as a word processor at Jones Day.

    The documents included legal memos from one Jones Day attorney to another regarding allegations by activists that Diebold had used uncertified voting systems in Alameda County elections beginning in 2002.

    And so, once more, the American public has been saved from a shameful case of fraud by its justice system, ensuring that decent, law-abiding citizens everywhere will fear for their lives if they point out that the Emperor has no clothes.

    Was what he did wrong? By the law, yes; by morality, no. If you know something bad is happening and you're in a position to do something about it, shouldn't you? Is that what the whole Enron trial is, pointing out that the people in the know not only didn't do anything about the destruction of the company, they helped it along. When was someone at Enron going to stand up and say, "hey guys, you're doing bad things."

    But that's just it. They had to pass laws to protect whistle-blowers in the first place, because once you did it, you had a bullseye painted squarely on your back. It was the only way to assure people that they could speak up about the wrongs they were seeing committed every day. And yet those protections do not go far enough as evidenced by this, where the old saw "no good deed goes unpunished" has apparently been made law of the land. All Ican say is, I hope this does not get pursued or there will be a freezinf effect that will allow big business to continue to steamroll people everywhere.

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  7. Lesson Learned by LaCosaNostradamus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, Heller is learning the modern lesson about corporations: if you cross them, they will slap (SLAPP?) you down HARD. The harder you cross them, the harder they will slap you down. In this case, crossing a highly Republican corporation in a politically-charged topic, the victim is facing THREE FELONIES.

    Of course, if it were me, I'd go to prison with a big, shit-eating grin on my face. The corporations are trying to Rule the Earth, and so this is a war between normal citizens and the elite. In war, people get hurt; I accept that. Heller may be a necessary sacrifice. He can eat at my dinner table anytime, and he can always ask me for a job when he gets out of prison. I hope there are many citizens who feel the same way and will help him when he needs it.

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    1. Re:Lesson Learned by LaCosaNostradamus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The election-machine companies are frighteningly Republican. Of course, to be fair, they'll sell their easily-compromised election machines to anyone who wants to buy them.

      I mean, this is the fucker of the thing: corporations who market election systems are serving ONE type of client only. That client is the highly partisan board of elections in each electoral district. Highly partisan boards of course would want systems that they can perform vote fraud upon, as either more fraudulent votes in the future, or less-detectable fraud for what they do now.

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  8. Maybe we should put G. Washington on trial by ip_freely_2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful


    You read this and your blood runs cold. It makes you wonder what would happen to George Washington if he was attempting to break the colonies from Britain today.

    Sometimes government becomes so complacent, the people accepting of crap, that both need a good house cleaning.

    In any event, this country needs a reminder of what the founding fathers had in mind when they formed this country.

    It's all quite sad.

    1. Re:Maybe we should put G. Washington on trial by Gulthek · · Score: 3, Informative

      What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants.

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  9. Jury Nullification by C10H14N2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's a Good Thing.

    I'll never have to serve on a jury as I find it my civic duty to ask a question relevant to the case that forces the judge to explain that concept to those jurors who _are_ allowed to stay. The job of the jury is to ensure that _justice_ is done, not that the law is followed. If they determine that application of the law is itself unjust, they are absolutely 100% in their rights to find "not guilty," even if every single shred of evidence screams out otherwise.

    1. Re:Jury Nullification by srobert · · Score: 2, Funny

      Someday we will have a law holding jurors criminally responsible for their verdicts. Sometimes their verdicts are so outrageous. We can call it the "Protect America from Treasonous Juries Act". Any Congressman who votes against this should go to prison. :-)

    2. Re:Jury Nullification by 'nother+poster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, that is not what juries are for. Juries are a mechanism to make sure that laws are enforced and that abuses of legal system by the profesionals in the system are minimized.

      If you don't like the laws and find them unjust it is your job to vote for politicians that you believe will work to change the laws and end the injustices. Our legal system isn't here for justice, it is here to allow society to continue to function without devolving into anarchy.

    3. Re:Jury Nullification by fishbowl · · Score: 2, Interesting


      >I'll never have to serve on a jury as I find it my civic duty to ask a question relevant to the
      > case that forces the judge to explain that concept to those jurors who _are_ allowed to stay.

      What do you mean, exactly? What precise words do you say, and do you say it during voir dire? How do you know you'll get the chance to say it?

      I've been excluded from a jury once because I refused to answer a question regarding my religious beliefs. Apparently I was the first person to ever do this. I explained that my understanding of the First Amendment was that no court or any other government agent could justify any concern of my religious beliefs whatsoever.

      When I was younger and much crazier, I was excluded from a jury because I wore my Karl Marx T-Shirt.

      Once when I was on a jury, the judge explained about nullification, and made it clear that while jury nullification may end the trial, there are still significant appeals and review processes.

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    4. Re:Jury Nullification by compro01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Someday we will have a law holding Congressmen criminally responsible for their votes. Sometimes their legislation is so outrageous. We can call it the "Protect America from Cretinous Lawmakers Act". Any Congressman who votes against this should go to prison. :-)

      i would settle for the Read The Bill Act (http://www.downsizedc.org/read_the_laws.shtml)

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    5. Re:Jury Nullification by narcolepticjim · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is not only the juror's right, but his duty to find the verdict
      according to his own best understanding, judgement and conscience,
      though in direct opposition to the instruction of the court.
      --John Adams, 1771

      It is misguided to believe the legal system is supposed to bother only with efficiency and mechanical adjudication with no regard to justice.

      Under English law, juries could render verdicts contra to the law and the instructions of the judge (Zenger case, for instance). Do you think the founding fathers would voluntarily surrender that right (see Zenger) in the interest of functionality over justice?

      Do you think that in an age where 600-page bills are routinely passed and 536 (Congress + prez) decide the laws for 280 million people, that the solution to an unjust law is ONLY through petition?

    6. Re:Jury Nullification by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Insightful
      They can't 'ignore' the law. They can, however, decide the punishment for breaking that particular law is out of the bounds of what punishment should be applied(1), and refuse to find the defendent not guilty.

      And, no, that's not a mistrial. It's called jury nullification. It's the origin of freedom of speech and religion in this country, for one thing, because people refused to find others guilty of critizing the king and their religion.

      In the longest sense, it's the reason we have trial-by-jury, it's the reason the Magna Carta exists. It's not to get a 'fair' trial, you can have fairness without having a jury of your peers. (Why peers instead of impartial legal experts?) It's so when there's a law that the population does not agree with, they can decide not to convict anyone of it. Or when the circumstances warrant it. (Speeding your pregnant wife to the hospital? Okay, speeding ticket dismissed.)

      It's why the Declaration of Independence has a line in there about 'mock' trials and transporting accused criminals back to England to face a jury there. They were English, they knew their rights, they kept failing to convict other Englishmen of breaking the stupid laws people thousands of miles away kept passing, as was laid out in the Magna Carta. Ergo, the English government had to start doing that to find anyone guilty of anything.

      And the idea that 'You can commit a crime to prevent a worse one' comes from there. If you break into someone's house to keep from being murdered, that's technically illegal. However, you won't get arrested for it, because common law says, traditionally, that you can do that, thanks to centuries of juries finding such people, who factually committed a crime, innocent. (No, it's not legally self-defense, that only applies to you using force against someone attacking you, not breaking into an unrelated person's house. Self-defense also started that way, although that is now codified into law.)

      That's why the concept that the defense attorney cannot introduce this information, or facts about, say, medicinal use of pot (to pick an example) is the most dangerous precedent this country has ever had pre-Bush. Defense attornies should be able to produce anything they can prove. I'm not saying if they can't prove it, they shouldn't be able to introduce it, I'm just saying if they can, it should be forever out-of-bounds to restrict in any way.

      Right now it's claimed it's 'not relevant', because the law doesn't make a distinction. But the circumstances and reason for a crime are always relevant. And, I have to point out, this only matters in cases where the defendant admits guilt, but shows up in court anyway instead of cutting a deal, which is like .1% of the time. We won't hear sob stories about how someone robbed that gas station and killed some people because he needed money to buy his kid medicine, because he'd have to admit he was guilty.

      Incidently, if the phrase 'throw yourself on the mercy of the court' is going through your mind, that is, indeed, exactly where that phrase is coming from.

      1) Often, they think this punishment should be 'none'.

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  10. Re:What the hell was this guy thinking? by shotgunefx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not really.

    If he had gone through "official" channels, he most likely wouldn't have been coerced right there into silence and most likely, nothing would have been changed on diebold's side

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  11. Re:Just because you agree with him by sammy+baby · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Just because you agree with him... doesn't make his actions ok.


    Correct.

    (Warning: IANAL)

    Diebold was knowingly using uncertified software to operate their voting machines, in clear violation of both the law and their agreement with the state of California. At best, this is breach of contract: at worst, it could be considered felony vote tampering.

    Jones Day, a law firm which was advising Diebold and where the whistleblower was temping, sent several memos to their client about the subject. The memos appear to show that not only was the firm aware of the illegality of Diebold's actions, but was actively providing their client advice on how to evade detection, making them party to their illegal activities.

    Heller discovered the documents, which he believed provided evidence that both companies had conspired to defraud the state of California. Days after their exposure, the state decertified the Diebold machines. The lawsuit which followed cost Diebold $2.6 million to settle out of court.

    This isn't about upholding the law. This is about putting the fear of god into future whistleblowers when they dare to cross paths with a powerful corporation.

    And that's what makes Heller's actions okay.
  12. Re:Just because you agree with him by rovingeyes · · Score: 2, Interesting
    doesn't make his actions ok.

    If it is not, then let us make it OK! In this case particularly, he should not be alone. He definitely has balls to be a whistle blower (either that or he is an idiot to get himself in trouble). Regardless, if we leave him alone and let him fight this battle alone, Americans should be ashamed of themselves. You do realize that if this doesn't make news, eventually your vote really doesn't amount to any thing when every election is managed or upstaged by Diebold. This is not about following law any more and I don't believe you should be following law when it is designed to only screw you no matter what.

  13. Ah, yes by typical · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When everyone is afraid to speak, there will be no dissenting voices.

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  14. Re:Fuck the L.A. County district attorney's office by Urusai · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is the same situation with the leak about Bush's illegal wiretaps. The administration's response: "We'll launch an investigation to find out who's compromising national security by blowing the whistle on our [illegal] wiretap program." It's just shameless what the government does nowadays.

  15. why we have jury trials by nido · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "jury nullification" is for when the jury thinks the person on trial is getting a raw deal. The system's been rigged so that the judge won't instruct the jury members of their right to acquit even if they think the accused technically broke the law.

    Common Law only has two parts that've been discovered thus far:
    • Do all you have agreed to do (contract law)
    • Do not encroach on other people or their property (golden rule)

    Civil law is when someone says "there oughta be a law". Legislators make shit up, try to pass it off as Law. Think of the damage done by drug laws. Yah, drugs are bad, but drug prohibition is worse.

    No harm, no foul, no conviction.

    [The American Jury Institute's] mission is to inform all Americans about their rights, powers, and responsibilities when serving as trial jurors. Jurors must know that they have the option and the responsibility to render a verdict based on their conscience and on their sense of justice as well as on the merits of the law.
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  16. The Problem is with the media by stlhawkeye · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The "whistleblower" status is for people who know that something dirty and wrong is going on and turn over their evidence to internal agencies of the government to deal with it. A whistleblower takes his knowledge and does not go public with it. This guy mailed this stuff to the newspapers, that's why he's in trouble. Had he contacted any one of a dozen agencies to handle the complaint, he'd be in no legal trouble. The whisteblower law would protect him. THat's why all these "leakers" are landing in hot water. WE learned from Watergate that if you go public with something incriminating, you become a hero to the media. So now people leak all kinds of shit trying to be the next "Deep Throat." Well, that's not why we have whistleblower laws. The whistleblower law is to protect a consciencious objector to an unlawful government practice. In this case, a company working on the government dole breaking the law. If the guy wanted legal protection to busing Diebold on their shitball hardware, there's a legal recourse to do so. He didn't use it. He leaked to the goddam newspaper. That's exactly the opposite of what you're supposed to do. He's geetting what he deserves. Now, if only Diebold can be held to the same standard.

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    1. Re:The Problem is with the media by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The "whistleblower" status is for people who know that something dirty and wrong is going on and turn over their evidence to internal agencies of the government to deal with it.

      This is wrong. Whistle-blowers status is to protect individuals who divulge information vital to the welfare of the people in which the people have an overriding interest. In many cases they are reporting on government corruption and cannot be expected to trust other elements of the government. It is important that they can provide their information to law enforcement and the public via any channel, public or private.

      He leaked to the goddam newspaper. That's exactly the opposite of what you're supposed to do. He's geetting what he deserves.

      A man stuck his neck out. He risked his job and possibly his life to expose corrupt and criminal actions that undermine the very foundations of out government (the democratic process). I don't care if he did it because he wanted to be famous or if he did it because he had a grudge. The end result is that the public found out about very important abuses. It is important that the laws protect him to encourage this behavior in others.

    2. Re:The Problem is with the media by stlhawkeye · · Score: 2, Informative
      This is wrong. Whistle-blowers status is to protect individuals who divulge information vital to the welfare of the people in which the people have an overriding interest. In many cases they are reporting on government corruption and cannot be expected to trust other elements of the government. It is important that they can provide their information to law enforcement and the public via any channel, public or private.

      Go read the whistleblower statutes. You're incorrect. Insightful, but incorrect. behavior in others.

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    3. Re:The Problem is with the media by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Go read the whistleblower statutes. You're incorrect.

      Actually, I have read them both for this state and several others. I was speaking of the stated purpose of the whistle blower statutes, which I was paraphrasing. The details of the implementations may or may not actually do that, but the majority of them state that the purpose is to protect the interests of the people by offering protection for those who act in the interests of the people when that interest is in exposing government corruption, public health dangers, and other topics of great concern to the populace.

  17. 1 more steb backwards by ganjadude · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is one gint step backwards for our rights. When a person who lets others know of posible corruption, and than get prosicuted for informing the public of so- called corruption, is that not corruption in its most simplelistic form???

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  18. Once again, RTFA... by kokoloko · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From slashdot: "An employee of law firm Jones Day found legal memos showing that their client, Diebold Election Systems, had used uncertified voting systems in Alameda County elections beginning in 2002 - violating California election law."

    From the la times: In the memos, a Jones Day attorney opined that using uncertified voting systems violated California election law and that if Diebold had employed an uncertified system, Alameda County could sue the company for breaching its $12.7-million contract. The documents also revealed that Diebold's attorneys were exploring whether the California secretary of state had the authority to investigate the company for alleged election law violations.

    In other words, the documents didn't show that Diebold did anything wrong. Just that their lawyers were discussing the law.

    I think this case has probably more to do with a law firm protecting its confidentiality and the security of it's documents, than Diebold protecting itself from exposure.

  19. Re:Proper Channels by soft_guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The "proper" authority is the people of California. Read the constitution sometime.

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  20. No, you missed the point completely. by RealProgrammer · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm as much an opponent of rigged elections as anybody. But in your zeal to see black and white, you missed the point.

    It's not that alerting the citizenry that a voting machine is uncertified is bad, nor even that blowing the whistle is bad. This is not a simple case of retribution against a whistleblower.

    It's stealing documents that's bad. Violating attorney-client privilege is bad. Why, you ask?

    Even those accused of murder and child molestation have a right to a fair trial. In fact, the more heinous the crime the more important it is to conduct the trial fairly, so as not to punish the innocent. Funny how people who otherwise know that forget it when someone they don't like, whether it's OJ Simpson or Diebold, is the accused.

    Leaking documents prejudices the case, one way or another, and risks having the case thrown out. Attorneys *must* be able to discuss in secret what their strategy is, or the legal system would fall apart. The discussions between two attorneys behind the scene are not facts, they are not evidence. They are merely commentary.

    The trouble is that people (jurors) cannot help but form an opinion based on some leak. "Gee, if that's what they say in private, it must be true." Possibly, if the discussion is not taken out of context by some reporter with an axe to grind or newspapers to sell. It's also possible that the typist only chose those documents that looked the worst for Diebold.

    I don't want the justice system to reward people who work to thwart it, even if it means letting a guilty man go free.

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  21. Re:The problem is a free press? by deleveld · · Score: 2, Insightful
    By your reasoning its wrong to inform the populace that the machines they trusted with thier vote do not function properly only *after* the relevant government department clear that information. Can you explain how a *free* press might function if they may only publish information cleared by the government? What if the relevent government official decides never to release that information? Do you suggest keeping it a (business and state) secret that these voting machines are not trustworthy?

    If you really think it was *wrong* what he did, then please explain to me how the populace should find out that their voting machines are (potentiatlly) fatally flawed? Who would willingly release this information? How would we *ever* find out?

    If Diebold doesnt want bad press then they should improve thier machines to stand in the light of open public investigation. If they are unable to build such machines then they should probably not be in the business of selling voting machines.

  22. Re:Don't blame the DA by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You don't understand the notion of representation by an attorney. A DA is not expected to be an unthinking automaton like Inspector Javert- he represents the state and among his duties is consideration of the interests of the state when charging people, for which he has to be given discretion. Consider this recent story from Utah where a part-time judge (and part-time truck driver) was thrown off the bench for having three wives:
    Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff praised the court's decision, saying someone breaking the law should not be in a judicial role. Shurtleff had declined to prosecute Steed.
    He said his office intends to stick to its policy of only prosecuting bigamy cases that involve other crimes such as domestic violence or sex with minors.
    "If you charge one where do you stop? You start prosecuting 10,000 people and have 20,000 kids go into the (child welfare) system?" Shurtleff said.
    If district attorneys behaved as you think they should, mindlessly prosecuting every violation of statute with no discretion allowable, it would not serve the state's interests at all. Not only would it have to build more prisons than it can afford, it would quickly run out of district attorneys- in fact it would run out of courts! Real criminals would be roaming the streets while prisons would fill with technical violators. As its legal representative the DA has a duty to take all of the state's interests into account. Prosecuting violations of statute is one of them- but not the only one.
  23. Wrong! by wytcld · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A whistleblower is anyone who protects the public interest by releasing information of wrongdoing. In the case of California elections, the officials in charge of them have been arguably complicit in using uncertified as well as easily-hackable equipment. Reporting the problem quietly to them would be like going to the mob-associated mayor and telling him the proof you had about the city garbage contract - you'd be likely to find yourself amongst the garbage in the next truck. (Nor is there anyone on the federal level to report it to when it's a state law being violated.)

    Responsible whistle-blowing goes public. That's what it means: You're standing there blowing the whistle as loudly as you can to get attention to the wrongdoing. You're not finding some official to whisper quietly to about it.

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  24. Re:Just because you agree with him by pulse2600 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you commit a crime to prevent a much bigger and reprehensible crime...the law should help you there....isn't that logical ?!

    In other cases there is no consideration for things like this....for example if someone breaks into your house and becomes injured going up the stairs, you are liable for his injuries because you neglected to fix that broken bannister he was using. Or if you set something up to trap burglars in your basement while you were on vacation and is forced to eat outdated food in your refrigerator and gets sick on it, you are liable for his illness. Just because one party breaks the law does not make the other party immune from it unless you have some kind of immunity negotiation with law enforcement like when a suspect gives up information about others that incriminates himself. I think the only other exception to this is using lethal force against someone who you believe is going to kill you. In that case you are permitted to kill in self defense as long as there is an obvious, immediate life-ending threat.

    The whistleblower in this case may be right from a "helping my fellow man" point of view by disclosing his information, but that does not make him right in the eyes of the law. Besides, there are defined processes that one should go through before going to the media as a whistleblower which are legally acceptable and defensible.

  25. Re:California Court System In Action by kahei · · Score: 2, Insightful


    You are fully familiar with cases concerning OJ Simpson and Michael Jackson aren't you, dear reader?


    Yeah, I'm familiar with how one guy was acquitted because the case against him was horribly mismanaged and distorted by clearly corrupt police, and I'm familiar with how the other guy was acquitted because the evidence against him basically amounted to 'look at him, he's weird'.

    Not every trial _has_ to end in a conviction. The idea is to find _whether_ it can be _proved_ that the defendant is guilty.

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  26. Its not Attorney-Client Privilege. by Zeinfeld · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Folk seem to be going down the wrong road here, the issue is not whether the Attorney has a right to keep his client's information confidential, it is whether there was a duty . That comes under much more general trade secret and client confidentiality laws.

    I am not a lawyer but I am pretty sure that CA law does not protect client confidentiality in cases where the client is planning an overtly criminal act. But that does not mean that disclosure to the press is necessarily protected.

    It seems somewhat unlikely that this trial is going to result in a guilty verdict unless the court prevents the defense from presenting their case that the accused believed that he was protecting the election to the jury.

    What it does mean is that there is going to be a lot of intense scrutiny of Diebold's voting machines and a lot of internal Diebold correspondence is going to come out in court.

    At this point Diebold paranoia is mostly on the left in the US, but as I was arguing in my blog this morning it is only a matter of time before the right begins to become equally suspicious. Whether justified or not there is going to be someone who cries foul. I really do not think it is at all likely that Diebold would be part of any electoral conspiracy, even if the CEO is a Republican I'll bet most of his engineers are liberals and libertarians.

    The key discovery here is that a voting system has to be auditable, not just secure. Diebold's ATMs only need to be secure. The bank knows how much cash is put into them each day and how much is withdrawn. The machine itself is not the sole trusted component in the audit loop. That is not the case with the voting machine designs.

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  27. Following instructions. by C10H14N2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Americans seem to be getting very good at that lately.

    "When fascism comes to America, it will be draped in the flag and carrying the cross." -- Sinclair Lewis

  28. I suggest you let Ms. Gibbons know what you think by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here is the mailto: for Sandi Gibbons, The L.A. County D.A.'s spokesperson with the obnoxious opinion in this piece.

    She can probably be deluged with your complaints, and general opinion on her political future, and that of sitting D.A., Steve Cooley. He's tried to frame himself as holder of a non-partisan office, but this makes his acknowledged party affiliation pretty obvious. He previously insulted jurors and responsible in the failure to prosecute the attackers of Donovan Jackson.

    A more civil feedback form is available at http://da.co.la.ca.us/feedback.htm. I think Ms. Gibbon's own e-mail might garner more attention.

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  29. Re:I am a Lawyer. by fishbowl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "The majority seems to be of the opinion that the document leaker has performed a public service. That is as far from the truth as it could possibly be."

    There are millions of people who honestly believe recent elections of federal officers have been rigged, in what amounts to a coup d'etat, in part facilitated by the Diebold corporation.

    In this light, it should be more surprising that we have not seen violent acts of rebellion, and certainly that there have not been more incidents where people have sought to expose Diebold.

    This was a peaceful act of civil disobedience (for which Heller should face the consequences!) with a much larger goal than merely exposing an attorney's briefs. There may be a case to be made that the ruling party governs without legitimacy, and if that's true, there is no legal framework under which the matter can be considered fairly, since it questions the very authority of the government under which any question of law can be judged.

    Now, I personally do not believe Diebold is effective enough to accomplish a coup, and I consider the current government to be an expression of the apathy of voters. I also don't believe that *even if* these documents show what they are purported to show, they amount to a defense for Heller.

    However, in a question as serious as this, it was irresponsible of counsel to allow this information to escape.

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  30. Re:It's safe to say by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Consider why we have juries, rather than just allowing a judge to make all the judgements. The jury is the final check in a system of checks and balances. If congress enacts an unjust law, the president passes it and the courts uphold it, but twelve average citizens won't convict based on it, then the law shouldn't stand. This is how our jury system originally worked, but things have changed and now juries are not allowed to judge the law itself, only the facts. Think about it, if only the facts are to be disputed, why have juries at all, why not allow a judge to rule?

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