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Search Engines Breed Worthless 'Original Content'?

Carl Bialik writes to tell us the Wall Street Journal has an interesting look at how search engines and original content are affecting the quality of the web. From the article: "If there is a topic in the news, people will be searching on it. If you can get those searchers to land on a seemingly authoritative page you've set up, you can make money from their arrival. Via ads, for instance. Then, to get your site ranked high in search engines, it's best to have "original content" about whatever the subject of your site happens to be. The content needs to include all the keywords that people might search for. But it can't be just an outright copy of what's on some other site; you get penalized for that by search engines."

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  1. Frist pots by Merdalors · · Score: 2, Funny
    effecting the quality of the web

    Yes, I'm effraid the web has been effected enough already.

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  2. There's a reason for that. by numbski · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's because you want to cheat the system and get ranked highly to begin with.

    If you were truly "popular", you wouldn't have to worry about worthless original content.

    Case in point...the word "Numbski" isn't a terribly popular term. If you google it, it's pretty safe that you'll find me, and my website, along with a base understand of who I am and what I do.

    The same goes for George W. Bush, or "Wall Street Journal".

    Now, if I just made up a company name right now....let's see....Framboozleweisenschnapps.

    Nope, no hits. I want that company to program open source software.

    Of course if someone goes searching for open source software no one is going to find your company. However if you get out there and do the work, when you do online articles, post your company's name, and the work you do is evident in the online content, with time, you WILL bubble to the top.

    That's the problem. An entire world full of people, people competing in similar businesses, all wanting to be in the first 10 hits of a google search.

    Quit crying. Quit trying to cheat the system and LIVE.

    "Faith without works is about as useless as a screen door on a submarine."

    Have faith in the system, do your work, do it honestly.

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    1. Re:There's a reason for that. by Kelson · · Score: 2, Informative

      Of course, there are easier ways to trick people into landing on your site. Apparently just taking out an ad for your site with the keywords "download firefox" is enough to confuse some people and get them to think you're the official Firefox download site.

      This, I think, lends a bit more credence to Jakob Nielsen's anti-search diatribe earlier this year.

      All that said, I agree with your point that in the long run, it's easier and more effective to write good content and do the necessary promotion than it is to try to cheat the system.

  3. Site rating by metaltoad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How can we avoid this? I think that human rating of sites either by administrators or general users could vastly improve the situation. Imagine being able to rate a site based on how well it matched your search.

    1. Re:Site rating by blogeasy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sounds a lot like social bookmarking or sites like the del.icio.us bookmarking site. I think eventually there will be some integration of this type of "voting" for sites by humans to help improve the search results. Also, some of the search engines are tracking which results people actually click on as well.

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  4. Best sentence of the piece by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 3, Funny
    In fact, search engines are more like a TV camera crew let loose in the middle of a crowd of rowdy fans after a game. Seeing the camera, everyone acts boorishly and jostles to get in front. The act of observing something changes it.

    Now, everybody get on to wikipedia, and vandalize the Schroedinger's_cat article as much as you can!

  5. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Insightful

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  6. ScuttleMonkey - It's by Shreav · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "how search engines and original content are effecting the quality of the web."

    I'm sorry for doing this, but the word you're looking for is 'affecting', not 'effecting'.

    'Affect' is a verb, as in "search engines affect the quality of information on the web".

    'Effect' is a noun, as in cause-and-effect: "the effect that search engines have on the quality of information on the web is ...".

    Actually, I'm not sorry. They're two different words with two different meanings. What I meant is that I don't mean you any personal insult.

  7. Re:Google Page Rank? by garcia · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Doesn't the Google Page Rank display on their toolbar help with this problem?

    Unless you have some way of ranking a page, this may continue to be a problem.


    I would guess that most people here don't use IE and thus don't have a need for Google's Toolbar and as such don't see what ranking the page has.

  8. "..are effecting the quality of the web" by DJRB · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The quality of the Web is not affected by adding poor content. The reason is the Web is not really a single thing in the way that a novel is. You do not consume the Web as a whole like reading a book but rather pick out the content which is of interest to you. The quality of Web you get is determine by you as the Web as a whole has everything from the absolute worthless to pure gold.

  9. Ratings, ratings everywhere, but not a stop to thi by Jerry+Coffin · · Score: 2, Insightful
    So let's see. This story comes down to the fact that people are generally lazy, so given a choice, they'll try to accomplish their goal as easily as possible. What an amazing revelation!

    What's amazing to me is that a newspaper reporter would have the gall to try to act like this is anything new or different at all.

    The reality is that the vast majority of the "original content" in the average newspaper has (for decades) been created in nearly the same way. The majority of what they publish is no more than mildly edited versions of stories coming from outside sources. Most "business news" is no more than very mildly edited versions of press releases -- in fact, press releases often come with prewritten stories for the papers (and magazines, etc.) to publish. They'll often even have two or three stories to cover the "event" from a business angle, a human angle, etc. They'll make sure they throw in versions of a couple of different lengths as well, so it's trivial for the newspaper to carry it no matter how much or little space they need to fill.

    So what's really new here? About all I can think of is the fact that the web makes a lot of it much more transparent. It's much easier for most people to look at a dozen web sites and see they're all carrying essentially identical stories than for somebody reading a newspaper in Minnesota to see that people reading different newspapers in Alabama, California, and London are all reading essentially identical stories, each with a different "reporter's" name in the by-line.

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  10. effect of content on web ranking? by DeveloperAdvantage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I thought a large portion of google's ranking was based on how many other pages linked to your web page. If this is the case, then just having "original" content and a few key words really should not make that big of a difference in page rankings. Perhaps this article itself was just copied from somewhere and is not accurate?

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  11. Original content - fabricated content? by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I see one danger in this hunt for "original content". Given the need that you have to have original AND if at all possible alarming content, people will start fabricating stories out of the blue, even more than they do already.

    Research costs time, and time's a scarce commodity in a medium that thrives on speed. The FIRST to have the story in will have his side read. Not the one who got all his facts right.

    So what we'll get to see are poorly, if at all, researched stories that will maybe, or not, get a revocation later. And I bet my rear that that revoc will not be high on the search engine index lists. I kinda doubt they'll META it with any relevant and a few irrelevant tags to get high level hits. Not to mention that few will link to it.

    What I can forsee is that "truth" becomes what has the most support. Not what is really true.

    Yes, even more than currently.

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  12. Re:Long overdue mod down coming... by FrostyWheaton · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I find it ironic that the fellow with reference to 'maths' in his id and .sig is lecturing another pedant on the inevetability of semantic drift.

    As for the subject at hand: I refuse to make excuses for people too lazy to speak or write correctly. Two words have been established, 'affect' and 'effect' and they have different meanings. Using one word in place of the other is either ignorance or apathy. And you know the difference between ignorance and apathy right?

    "I don't know, and I don't care".

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  13. Hawthorne Effect by Sad+Loser · · Score: 2, Informative


    The Heisenberg Effect is a good geeky example, but the correct/ relevant the social sciences equivalent is the Hawthorne Effect.

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  14. Google is dealing with this by Animats · · Score: 2, Informative
    In the article, the author wrote that he was hired to write copy to plug "colloidial silver". Google's first hit for "colloidial silver" is currently Quackwatch. "Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit". "Long-term use of silver preparations can lead to argyria, a condition in which silver salts deposit in the skin, eyes, and internal organs, and the skin turns ashen-gray." They have pictures.

    Google 1, search engine spammers 0.

  15. Re:The internet breeds worthless content by Doug+Neal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People breed worthless content. I say kill everyone, preferably at birth. That should improve the signal to noise ratio considerably :D