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What's Known About the PS3

1up has an expansive piece up exploring everything they know about the PlayStation 3. They cover rumours, prices, technology, and the limited information currently out there on upcoming games. From the article: "While the hard facts are still tough to nail down, the general consensus is that the PlayStation 3 is the most powerful of the three next-generation systems, although probably not by as much of a margin as Sony would like us to think. The arguments for the technical strengths of the PS3 go into CPU floating-point capabilities and the difficulties surrounding programming for parallel architectures, but the long and short of it is that whether or not the advantages of the PS3 are apparent will depend on developers' ability to utilize the PlayStation 3's unique architecture."

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  1. With any luck... by PastAustin · · Score: 5, Funny

    It won't cost $1,000,000 and thanks to Sony not having Microsoft's "Rush To The Market" attitude you don't have to worry about it melting to your carpet!

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    1. Re:With any luck... by Dimentox · · Score: 5, Funny

      Thats a feature of the X-Box 360, "a portable foot heater and Cooking stove."

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    2. Re:With any luck... by PastAustin · · Score: 4, Funny

      FTA: Even Sony Computer Entertainment president Ken Kutaragi has been quoted as saying "It'll be expensive [...] I'm aware that with all these technologies, the PS3 can't be offered at a price that's targeted towards households."


      Hell Yes! I've always wanted a PS3 at work. I knew it would happen!

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    3. Re:With any luck... by tonywong · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let's be realistic here. In NO way is Sony going to ship this in Q1 06. Where are the production SAMPLE units, SKUs or final plastics? No one has even developer SDKs that are in any way finished or polished (besides Sony owned entities) and they are still throwing about theoretical performance numbers. If Sony was any way serious about launching in this time frame, you'd see their factories gearing up for such a launch. The only thing happening here is that they're trying to steal away hype from the 360 launch...and doing pretty well at that it seems.

  2. The next gen Phantom by British · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...is the PS3. Yes, this will have TWICE the delays with its new marketing and rumor engine. Capable of thousands of speculations a second!

    (it's a joke kids, someday that PS3 will come out).

  3. Other things known about the PS3: by dr_dank · · Score: 4, Funny

    Other things known about the PS3:

    * It is not a strapless evening gown.

    * Ducks may not try to mate with it.

    * It is not a flotation device.

    * Is not a good substitute for snow chains.

    * It will not remove tough grease stains.

    * It will not get you an automatic first post on Slashdot.

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  4. Too many variables, too little information by netnemmy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The thing that's going to kill the PS3 is the price. If they don't release at the same point, or less, than the X-box, people are going to have to strain their wallets to afford this thing. Very few people are about to spend $800 for a console - there's a lot better ways to spend that money (you could even buy a 360, and several games).

    Not to mention that, by the time the PS3 comes out, there will be many titles available for the 360. Although (as TFA shows) there are a good deal of games in development, the 360's titles will have matured while those for the PS3 will remain untested.

    Finally, the longer it takes for Sony to put this console out, the less people will have confidence in it. Console developers are always hush-hush about their products, but at this point, it would do Sony well to clarify some things; they keep saying that they're going to release on-schedule, but nobody else sees how they can possibly do that. If they _do_ release on schedule, I for one will be forced to assume that it was rushed to market, and therefore not worth the risk (especially at that price).

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  5. Short summary: by SharpFang · · Score: 4, Interesting

    XBox360: Most hype.
    PlayStation 3: Most CPU power.
    Nintendo Revolution: Most fun.

    Personally I'd say Nintendo is the best in the means of innovation. The competitors are just "the same old, just faster, better, stronger", while Nintendo takes a step in a completely new direction.

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  6. Re:But..Over a Barrel. by AuMatar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because physics was good enough in Super Mario 1. Not all games need, or want, realistic physics. In most cases, unrealism is prefered (try a true Newtonian physics space sim- changing directions is hard). Whats needed is gameplay innovations, and they don't make hardware for that.

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  7. Played a Cell processor Demo by Kraegar · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Recently at an IBM conference for pSeries hardware, they gave a small demo on the Cell processor. The demo was a Mac G4 running a sort of flight sim, with data for Mount St. Helens. The display was a 35" flat panel running at some obscene resolution. They began the demo with just the G4 processor, and no help from the Cell. It was painfuly slow, at less then one frame every 5 seconds. Jagged lines were obvious, and it looked terrible.

    In the software demo, they then enabled the cell processor, or re-routed the processing to it in some way (it was hard to tell exactly, and they weren't too forthcoming). The difference was remarkable. 30 - 40 fps, and a crystal clear picture. The data they were using was from (or at least they said it was from) satellite images, GPS data, aerial photo surveys, and USGS maps. It was extremely well rendered, down to pebbles. Clouds and such were just remarkable.

    At the end they offered to let us "fly", so I jumped at it and took the first turn. While not a real game by any stretch, it was a lot of fun to manuever through the terrain and look at the detail. So, taking what they said was going on at face value, the cell was a very impressive processor.

    One thing of note, though... the "cell processor unit" they had hooked up to the G4 was HUGE. Bigger then a standard PC case, with 6 120mm fans on it. Not exactly heartening for something that's supposed to go into a console.

    Still, my impression of it was that it's got a TON of possibility, and it really is working hardware.

  8. It's what's inside the box that counts by wuffalicious · · Score: 4, Informative

    I was under the impression that the original Playstation 2 took a while to come out as well, and did just fine on release despite the dreamcast being available long before it (and, in some ways, being a superior piece of hardware). I look at all the hype that's being slung around, and I wonder why people obsess so much about the systems themselves. Ultimately it's going to come down to a matter of games - it doesn't matter what your system is capable of if no one developes for it. The Dreamcast should be proof positive of that.

    Release titles are what will matter - how many people would have picked up an xbox had it not been for Halo?

  9. Re:More power, $400, Anime Dating, Puppies by amliebsch · · Score: 4, Funny

    OKAY. We GET it. You have Microsoft stock. You can stop mentioning it in practically every thread you post in.

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  10. That's without the PS3's NVidia GPU by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative
    I went to a talk at Stanford where the lead architect of the Cell processor described that demo. That's running on a Cell processor which is actually doing the rendering. Sony's original plan for the PS3 worked that way, but they eventually put in a conventional NVidia chip.

    So in the PS3, the Cell processors aren't doing the rendering. The Cell should render about as well as everything else with a current NVidia part.

    Flyovers are easy if you have enough RAM and a GPU. How much RAM did the demo rig have?

  11. Graphics power by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Today, game consoles compete on graphics capbility. I find that kinda funny since most people I know can't tell the difference between 640x480 and 1440x1080, can't distinguish a progressive image from an interlaced one, aren't bothered by aliasing, think 24fps isn't choppy, and can play Mario cart in 1/4th of the screen just fine. I bet the console manufacturers could support 480p, wide screen, and then upscale to everything else. Just keep it above 24fps. The gamers wouldn't notice or care.

    Personally, I'm more interested in new controls and new game play innovation.

    Maybe the consoles are really made just to impress the reviewers?

  12. No, it's not caveat emptor or ethics. by dyoung9090 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Caveat emptor means the buyer beware. It's a general disclosure principle in most aspects of the law, specifically in real property and contracts, that says the buyer is not under a duty to make sure YOU know everything that could possibly concern that which you are buying. It's the court's way of saying YOU as the buyer needs to take some initiative to make sure you're getting a good product because YOU as the buyer are the one that will be harmed if you didn't make a prudent and informed decision.

    As for ethics, nobody is buying stock on your word. NOBODY. You don't have a duty to disclose your ownership of MS stock because you're not creating some kind of reliance in us upon your word wherein your status as an MS stockholder makes us suspicious of conflict of interest. It's not like we have reason to believe you're neutral or that otherwise you'd be misrepresenting yourself by not telling us.

    It's not relevant at all. You want to pretend it's relevant because you want us to be impressed. That's why you're throwing out that BS 15k range of stock value.

    The ethical thing is to tell us truth about a situation when that truth has an impact on the situation. Supreme Court justices tell us their stock holdings when there's a potential conflict of interest because their decision may have some effect on the US. YOU telling us how much money you'd like to have invested in MS is equal to me posting "PS, I own a Ford and plan to buy another when this one dies" every time I mention cars because hey, that was a huge 5k-20k investment I made in that company, or that I took out student loans through one bank (becuase hey, that's a huge 16k-130k investment in that company) or that I took out a mortgage through another bank (because hey, that's a huge 1k-250k investment in that company.)

    Your logic is so illogical it's like, I'm having trouble even semi-seriously attempting to take your concept of ethics seriously, it's like a doctor walking in, seeing that you have Nikes on and then telling you he prefers Converse and just wants you to know that despite his preference in shoes, he's going to try to not kill you on the operating table.