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The Hidden Cost of Outsourcing

Alien54 writes to tell us CNNMoney is reporting that outsourcing may not be as big of a bargain as some might think. From the article: "With consumers enjoying more choice than ever before, evidence is growing that great service is essential for long-term customer retention. To cite just one example, a recent survey of pension policyholders in the United Kingdom found that 75 percent would leave their current provider if they experienced bad customer service."

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  1. Dollar is king by ArcherB · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To cite just one example, a recent survey of pension policyholders in the United Kingdom found that 75 percent would leave their current provider if they experienced bad customer service."

    If this were true, Dell would not be the number one mfg of computers after losing 75% of their base. How many people here have called tech support and gotten someone with a thick Indian accent named "Steve"?

    The problem (if you can call it that) is that Dell offers decent CPU's for cheap. Rather it be for the home or business, people are more willing to take the chance on a computer that's $200 than their competitors.

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    1. Re:Dollar is king by twiddlingbits · · Score: 4, Informative

      You obviously have not been paying attention. Dell caught hell for lousy customer service outsourcing to India, and they saw repeat Sales drop. They have since moved a lot of the call centers back to the USA. If you want CHEAP go with Dell, but if you are a business beware the consequences. If you want ultra-reliable machines with enterprise level features then you need Sun or IBM servers, or the DL series from HP.

      India is a great place for development,as they have very skilled programmers for cheap wages and "tech speak" has less problems with the language barriers than customer service.

    2. Re:Dollar is king by RevMike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      you're kidding, right?

      everything we've outsourced to india has been slower to develop, buggier, and come with more absolute incomprehensibility of design than anything I've ever seen.

      I've seen it both ways. When companies off-shore and go for the cheapest bid, they have the same poor experience as when they hire the cheapest on-shore consultants.

      The bottom-of-the-barrel firms offer cheap rates because they pay poorly. Since they pay poorly anyone with a little talent leaves as soon as they have enough experience to get a better job. The only people that stay in these jobs are incompetents.

      Plenty of off-shore providers pay well enough to attract high quality talent, and so are able to provide high quality services.

      The next time some manager wants to hire an off-shore provider, make sure they understand this and get them to hire a $40/hr firm rather than a $20/hr firm. They'll still save money over the $80+/hr that it will cost them on-shore, and they'll get a skilled workforce.

      Your experiences with India have been because of your own company's poor decisions or lack of due diligence. Brown people are just as capable as white people.

  2. Not well thought out. by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article is terse, inapplicable to those many markets which are almost entirely price-sensitive, and ill-supported. Pension policies don't really compete on price; they are about service and ROI.

    And people often say that they will take their business elsewhere, but then stick to the cheapest vendor when push comes to shove. Self-report is not the best indicator of actual behaviour, especially for a hypothetical.

  3. a recent survey of pension policyholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's a pension?

  4. IP? by cyberkahn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about intellectual property? Spend millions of dollars in the U.S. on research and development and then outsource the manufacturing to China and then wonder why the Chinese develop a very similar product. Duh!

  5. Broken Connection by camcorder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Outsourcing does not mean, bad service. It's about getting a service from abroad with most probably lower costs. It's evident that same quality of service taken from India, or China is a lot cheaper than the one taken from US or some other European countries. Companies should be more selective on outsourcing, then they won't lose customer due to bad service, but in no way there's a direct connection with outsourcing and bad service.

    1. Re:Broken Connection by EnronHaliburton2004 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's about getting a service from abroad with most probably lower costs.

      Some costs like labor & rent may be lower. Other costs, such as communication, are much higher.

      It is hard enough for manager to communicate their technical needs to a technical staff when they are sitting in the same room, working on the same whiteboard, with the same set of requirements in front of them. This same process becomes much more difficult when you are dealing with staff who speak a different language, work in a different timezone, who have different coding standards and who can only communicate over the phone or some kludgy computer tools.

      There are too many companies today who think you can treat the employees (including managers) as a unit of business logic-- they think you can assign task X to any person who fits the "job category", and they can get the job done. This is usually the result of an manager who does not understand the details in the project-- The devil is always in the details.

      I've known several dozen large projects where the technical staff was in Europe, Australia, India or some other country; and the managing staff was in the US--- only 1-2 of those those projects suceeded. The rest usually died a slow lingering death. The costs looked good up front, but that's because they managers underestimated all of the inefficiencies in the outsourcing.

  6. The author is thirty years behind... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "...evidence is growing that great service is essential for long-term customer retention..."

    The author is thirty years behind if this the first time he's run across this idea. There have been shitloads of studies done over and over again that show that most (i.e., >50%) people leave/switch because of shitty service from their existing supplier/provider/brand/etc.

  7. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a good thing that inhouse customer service can't be terrible!

    Seriously, this just means that you have to be careful who it is who provides your outsourced service just like you'd have to be careful who it is who provides your inhouse services. The big difference is that outsourced service contracts are generally easier, quicker and cheaper to terminate and replace if they're don't meet the agreed standard.

  8. Come on, use some common sense. by CMiYC · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "a recent survey of pension policyholders in the United Kingdom found that 75 percent would leave their current provider if they experienced bad customer service."

    People say they will take action all the time. How many actually do? Well they do take action. They tell all their friends how shitty "the company" treated them. They go into detail about how "the company" doesn't care. And then next money they send "the company" a check for the bill.

    Replace "the company" with practically any business name.

  9. Some companies are already ahead of the game by AnotherDaveB · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the article, "you'll soon figure out that competing solely on price is a fool's game"

    Quote below taken from DNUK's website

    The DNUK Advantage

    • We currently offer all the major GNU/Linux distributions on our systems; including Debian, Fedora, Mandrake, Red Hat, Slackware, SuSE and White Box
    • Unlike other system builders we offer all GNU/Linux distributions at no charge with our systems and we also sell the retail boxed products as an option
    • We can offer a degree of customisation for our customers that the large OEMs simply cannot match
    • We pride ourselves on our customer support - all our technicians are experienced with GNU/Linux support
    • Customers can communicate directly with the very same technicians that built their systems
    • We do not use offshore support departments in India!
  10. Price isn't always important... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "...when people switch providers, they will switch to the lowest-cost (or greatest price-feature) provider, not the one with the best quality of service."

    Often this is not the case. As a part-time marketeer, I can tell you that often what I do to lure customers away from my competition is:
    1) "educate" my target segment to expect a higher level of service (change their expectations)
    2) tell my competitor's customers that my competitor does not offer that higher level of service (given the new expectations, make them feel unhappy with their current provider)
    3) make damn sure my own company offers the higher level of service when my competitor's now-unhappy customers go looking
    4) don't compete on price; higher service can demand equal or higher price
    5) repeat as necessary

    Believe me - I'm not the only out there doing this either.

  11. Your logic is wrong by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It means they bought a Dell, expected it to either to just work or be fixed by Dell, were disappointed and were then forced to go to a local shop to get the support they thought they would get from Dell.

    But since this is nothing new and Dell continues to sell it also means that either this does't happen to a lot of people or people just don't learn.

    I buy from local shops and NEVER call in with a problem. I put the defective product on the counter on a shopping day (thursday evening or a saturday) and speak loudly about how I want it repaired or replaced. Works wonders. Over a phone they can and will try to tell you that a brand new HD is supposes to show badblocks or that a single wrong pixel in a lcd is acceptable. It is offcourse. If your stupid.

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  12. The metric is when things go wrong, not right by GuyFawkes · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the thing nobody apparently gets.

    It is an utter waste of time to study scenarios where customer orders product and pays for it, vendor ships product, customer receives product, end of story.

    The _important_ metric is always the worst case scenario where the customer ends up falling in between the cracks in between different departments within a large organisation, nobody the customer contacts has responsobility, nobody has authority, nobody has motivation, nobody has their ass on the line if it escalates.

    Anyone can sell acreage on the moon, you judge a company or business by how badly its worst mistakes fuck customers over, and you place the responsobility for that exactly where it belongs, on the directors conference table, and let it run down right through the company.

    The reality is the bigger the company the more likely its reaction to a fuck-up being escalated through inaction is to undulge in ever more psychopathic behaviour.

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  13. Just a thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Okay first the disclaimer:
    I'm currently working as a Customer Support in a local company in Malaysia where we help our client's client (mostly from the US and UK) troubleshooting their generic computing problems over the telephone.

    Anyway, I've been working for a almost a year now and from what I've seen, the company I worked for has been recruting really skillful/talented people (most of them have CS degrees from Australia) to do the support.

    However as you may know, most of these people speaks really poor, non-standard English. To make the matter worse, most of them (including me) have problems with our clients' American/English accent. Personally I'm sad that I've had clients that hanged up on me because they couldn't understand me in some occasions.

    Okay so now, I would like some opinions from my fellow /.ers on this (maybe I should be submitting this to Ask /.) Is the quality of the outsourced job really terrible?