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Massive Porn Buyer Info Leak

Anonymous Guy wrote to mention a Wired article that covers the release of information for millions of customers onto the Internet. From the article: "The stolen data, examined by Wired News, includes names, phone numbers, addresses, e-mail addresses and internet IP addresses. Other fields in the compromised databases appear to be logins and passwords, credit-card types and purchase amounts, but credit-card numbers are not included. The breach has broad privacy implications for the victims. Until it was brought low by legal and financial difficulties, iBill was a top credit-card processor for adult entertainment websites."

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  1. Weakest Link by nmccart · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's not surprising someone other than MasterCard actually had a list of card numbers stolen. I have customers all the time tell me how they don't like what they feel are draconian measures to protect the credit card numbers people have in their own systems. What they fail to understand is that Visa and Mastercard require us to do this, and the protections we have are customer service.

    But they still complain, because their customers and they themselves don't ever notice. Hell at one point I was told by a demanding customer to remove the protections because he said "I'll risk it." I was tempted to show him how insecure he was by remotely accessing his system, getting his list of customer phone numbers, and telling all his customers that he was careless with credit card numbers and their numbers could have easily been stolen from his system.

    People are pretty careless about credit card security. It's usually in the name of convenience and visible customer service. Credit card security is invisible service. Being able to purchase something conveniently flies right in the face of having security which just might prevent you from selling something to someone, so some people don't care, as long as they are selling. Owners care once they find out that they'll be issued chargebacks, but individual salesreps will write down every credit card number on a piece of paper if it means making money for them personally.

    Visa and Mastercard have the right idea, and in the press release I like how they said that they gave cardsystems a "limited amount of time" to basically get their act together so this doesn't happen again. Education and enforcement of regulations... nice to see an organization, especially one that is a corporation, actually give a damn.

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    1. Re:Weakest Link by frostyboy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Dude, RTFA. They didn't get the credit card numbers. Only personal information like name, phone number, address, email. Not that that's not a big deal, but this isn't a CC number security issue.

      Of course, this isn't made clear until way at the end of the article: "Because the information didn't include Social Security, credit-card or driver's-license numbers, no U.S. laws require iBill or the companies for which they provided billing to warn victims."

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    2. Re:Weakest Link by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 5, Informative

      Um, anytime I buy something "questionable" or from a questionable source, I use a one time credit card number. I know MBNA has this. You set a dollar amount for the number, as well an expiry date. It is great for sites with auto renewing subscriptions. I use them all the time for 3 day 1.99 trials. I set the card limit at 2.50, use the number, and then forget about it. When they try and charge me, they get nothing but an expired card.
      My understanding is that most identity theft is still done the old fashion way- with garbage diving etc. When I was in college, I bartended. I could have easily written down every credit card number that was handed to me....
      But clearly this is more of a privacy issue. Even if nothing is stolen from me, I would prefer that my name not be associated with porn purchases. But then again, who am I kidding, everyone that meets me just assumes I am into porn. I guess it is my vibe.

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    3. Re:Weakest Link by plover · · Score: 3, Interesting
      There was something else of interest in TFA. Wired posted the address of a "spammer community site," specialham.com.

      That plus a few curious slashdotters will probably slow their spam chatter for a few days.

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    4. Re:Weakest Link by wkk2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The theft of card data won't stop until both the merchants and card issuers incur sufficient liability to wake up and make changes. 1. It should be illegal for merchants to store card numbers after an approval code is received. Buyers should be required to resubmit their card number for new transactions and refunds. It's not that big of an inconvenience to reenter numbers. 2. Reoccurring transactions should be process by submitting the card number to the merchant. The merchant should in turn apply for a reoccurring number that is only valid between that merchant and the card-clearing house. They should be charged a higher fee for the liability of saving that custom number. This number would be worthless to the thieves. 3. The addition of a one time password (federated OATH type token) would also go a long way to solving these problems especially for card not present transactions.

    5. Re:Weakest Link by dusik · · Score: 5, Funny

      >> "But then again, who am I kidding, everyone that meets me just assumes I am into porn. I guess it is my vibe."

      It's because you say things like "I use them all the time for 3 day 1.99 trials". ;-)

  2. Quite Humorous by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From the frontpage of iBill, they have their most recent news as:
    Internet Billing Company, LLC (iBill) announced that the relocation of their corporate headquarters to more cost-efficient facilities has been completed.
    Even after looking around, I can't determine where this move was to. Their contact info on the site lists Deerfield Beach, Florida as their location. Is it possible they moved all their transaction servers to a different country to avoid possible legal implications?

    If you care to read more about iBill, you can check out their blog on G Spot. I didn't link the blog because it's not about the company; it's about trading buyers across all of its customer sites.

    I wonder if this is a case of the company selling anything they could to escape dire financial straights or if it is the case of a disgruntled underpaid employee indulging.

    Am I surprised such a shady company had its user's credit card info traded on the black market? Gosh, not really.
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    1. Re:Quite Humorous by SleepyHappyDoc · · Score: 4, Funny

      "More cost-efficient facilities"? Did they just skip all the steps and set up their headquarters in a federal prison?

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  3. Time for an Open Porn Movement by RedHatLinux · · Score: 4, Funny

    After all, free, as in beer, porn, means never have to worry having identity stolen or saying sorry to wife.

    Plus, given the bottoming out production costs, we can easily produce porn of the same quality as closed source porn.

  4. "Interesting" headline. by XorNand · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Massive Porn Buyer Info Leak?" What the hell does that even mean? Hats off to Zonk for managing to use "porn", "leak", and "massive" all in the same headline and posting it to one of the most widely read sites on the net. That sound you hear is thousands of RSS feed subscribers all scratching their heads.

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    1. Re:"Interesting" headline. by dr_dank · · Score: 3, Funny

      That sound you hear is thousands of RSS feed subscribers all scratching their heads.

      Is that what furious masturbation sounds like?

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  5. In other news... by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Funny

    A sudden surge in the filing of divorces is plaguing thousands of local communities...

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  6. Oh crap... by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

    They didn't do credit card processing for midget-granny-and-horse-porn.com did they?

    I mean, not that it would matter to me if they did...I'm just curious.

    1. Re:Oh crap... by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 4, Informative

      They didn't do credit card processing for midget-granny-and-horse-porn.com did they?

      No, but they did do credit card processing for sites featuring under-18 models doing "non-nude" work. Within the past couple of weeks, a group of those sites got busted and the FBI has announced intentions to prosecute them for selling child porn even though the models were clothed. (It seems the clothes were too small and/or the poses too racy.) Note that I don't know if any of the recently busted sites were using iBill and the point may already be moot since iBill has been defunct or close to it for a while.

      However, according to TFA

      The stolen data, examined by Wired News, includes names, phone numbers, addresses, e-mail addresses and internet IP addresses. Other fields in the compromised databases appear to be logins and passwords, credit-card types and purchase amounts, but credit-card numbers are not included.

      I have to figure if logins and passwords are there, then the websites accessible via those logins might also be in the data. If so, I imagine that at this moment a whole bunch of guys are pretty worried.

  7. No Baby! I swear it wasn't me! by darth_MALL · · Score: 5, Funny

    It was the other Chester J. Winthrop-Montague III!

  8. Whew, that was too close by LunaticTippy · · Score: 5, Funny
    I'm sure glad I've never paid for internet porn.

    Now if they leak the hardon pill database I'm screwed...

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  9. Internet IP addresses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Internet IP addresses?
    Well, as long as they didn't get their PIN numbers.

  10. Wait a second... by ENIGMAwastaken · · Score: 5, Funny

    You can BUY porn? News to me.

  11. This Could Be Quite Damaging! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    CUSTOMER
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    Bill O'Reilly
    bill@billoreilly.com

    WEBSITES
    --------
    falafelpron.com
    hotfalafels.com
    teenfalafel.com

  12. Well thank God I never pay for porn... by R2.0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wait...did I just type that out loud?

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  13. If... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If we used a decentralized, anonymous digital cash system, these kinds of problems would be much less common. Furthermore, the responsibility would lie in your own hands rather than in the hands of thousands of unidentifiable people at some corporation.

    I suppose it's wishful thinking, though, because everybody wants to be the central financial gateway (Visa, Mastercard, Paypal, etc.) and governments prefer being able to track all transactions (toll booth transponders, bankers reporting all transactions over $10,000, etc.).

  14. Where do I buy? by RobertB-DC · · Score: 4, Funny

    In January of last year, iBill was purchased by Interactive Brand Development for $23.5 million. On Monday, IBD's stock closed at 8 cents a share in over-the-counter trading.

    8 cents a share? Nowhere to go but up! Time to call my broker*.

    At the very least, their certificate will look good on the wall, next to the one from Enron. Maybe really good -- or really bad -- depending on which of their subsidiaries did the artwork. According to the Yahoo Finance link, "IBD also owns a library of original cartoon cel art (including He-Man, She-Ra, and Flash Gordon) [and] a 35% stake in Penthouse publisher Penthouse Media Group."

    *Disclaimer: I don't have a broker.

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  15. Freakin' Sweet by GabrielF · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Other fields in the compromised databases appear to be logins and passwords

    Woohoo! Free porn for everyone!

  16. Time for an Open Porn Movement by AnonymousPrick · · Score: 5, Funny

    I suggest that the open-porn should be stored on "Freshmeat".

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  17. Still Online? by NoData · · Score: 4, Interesting
    FTFA:
    Last month, Sunbelt Software found an additional list of slightly over 1 million individual entries labeled Ibill_1m.txt on a spamming website. That list appeared to date from 2003.

    Hmm.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=Ibill_1m.txt
    [TXT] Ibill_1m.txt 08-Jun-2003 03:49 214M
    Thaaaat doesn't look good.

  18. That's what I don't get... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    What kind of moron buys porn? Hello? IT'S FREE ON TEH INTARWEBS, and especially on Usenet. There are people who literally get off on making and distributing porn of all varieties at no cost. They want you to watch.

    Unless your idea of hotness is overproduced Playboy-style photography with a combination of four different skin textures, three different lighting rigs, and sixteeen different gauze filters, you can get what you want on Usenet without risking your credit history.

  19. I feel a great disturbance in the Force..... by 8127972 · · Score: 3, Funny

    .....as if millions of computer geeks had cried out, and then became silent.

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  20. Know Your Congress by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Funny

    grep -i 'senator' iBill.dat; grep -i 'representative' iBill.dat ; grep -i 'congress' iBill.dat

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  21. I don't think it was stolen. by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    After all, the article said that no pieces of information were stolen that required them (by law) to inform their customers. Pretty convenient, eh?

    I also noticed that they're from Deerfield Beach, Florida. Now, something odd about Deerfield Beach is its location. It's on the coast of Florida there. That unmarked island on the east side of the map? That would be Grand Bahama. Care to take a guess at what country it lies in?

    So my guess is that the company did this legally and by choice. They probably found some bum on the street who didn't ask questions and would like to recieve a paycheck. He's probably also the president of the company with very limited responsibilities and capabilities. They're also probably prepared to give him a briefcase full of $100,000 and a boat to take to Freeport. And also some cute documents for him to sign that might as well say that he shot JFK.

    Meanwhile, all the workers and people profiting off the deal claim they had no knowledge.

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  22. Porn Leak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I could swear that's the name of some Thai porn star.

  23. Whois data by NoData · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Anyone know if this guy is a known spammer? He's now upgraded to trafficking in stolen property.

    http://www.whois.net/whois.cgi2?d=5sec.us

    (sorry, lameness filter is being lame, here's just the basics badly formatted)

    Registrant Name Sean Rogers
    Registrant Organization Sean Rogers
    Registrant Address1 1275 Falkland Rd
    Registrant City Jacksonville
    Registrant State/Province FL
    Registrant Postal Code 32221
    Registrant Country United States
    Registrant Country Code US
    Registrant Phone Number +95.486824101
    Registrant Email gsmmax@mail.ru

  24. What we need by lildogie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What we need is for the name of some elected official(s) to be found in the data.

    Then we'll see swift lawmaking action to clamp down on leaks of personal information by merchants and money-handlers.

  25. So even those who give a f*ck ... by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 3, Funny

    So even those who give a f*ck, who bend over backwards for their customers, who do all that is humanly possible, don't get security right. ;-)

  26. Re:Gullible morons by Bull999999 · · Score: 3, Funny

    They can lick my balls for all I care.

    They might take you upon that offer for their new Computer Geeks Gone Wild series.

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  27. News for Nerds... by jon.wolf · · Score: 5, Funny

    If ever a story qualified as, "News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters." -- this is it.

  28. Anonymous digital transactons won't be allowed by AHumbleOpinion · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If we used a decentralized, anonymous digital cash system, these kinds of problems would be much less common ... I suppose it's wishful thinking ... governments prefer being able to track all transactions.

    Exactly. You are more likely to see secure computers and honest people than anonymous digital transactions. Governments won't allow it. And no you do not have a US Constitutional right, quite the contrary, the US government has the Constitutional power to create currency, collect taxes, define felonies (say money laundering) and pass enacting legislation, etc.

  29. Heres the actual list.... by XMilkProject · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can actually download this 214mb list of information here:
    http://5sec.us/Ibill_1m.txt
    I don't know why you'd want it, maybe you can use the passwords or something. But there it is anyway.

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  30. Everyone seems to be forgetting... by Psykosys · · Score: 5, Informative
    that an estimated 25% of the transactions weren't for porn. Unless the customer information is associated with the purchase information (it sounded to me like the account axx infomation was in separate, unlinked records), the leak has much fewer social implications than commenters here seem to be implying.

    Livejournal, for example, was offering payment through iBill during the time covered by the leak (run that link through Archive.org if you care to verify, /. filters the part following the asterisk).

  31. IP adresses? by JThundley · · Score: 4, Funny

    "The stolen data, examined by Wired News, includes names, phone numbers, addresses, e-mail addresses and internet IP addresses."

    So it included the internet internet protocol addresses? I keep my internet IP address next to my PIN number at the ATM machine.