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Supermicro Announces Quad-Opteron 1U Motherboard

hpcanswers writes "Supermicro, a producer of systems for the high-performance computing market, has announced a 1U-sized quad Opteron motherboard for the OEM market. The product, which is on display at CeBIT this week, supports both HyperTransport and PCI Express. It also consumes 1000 watts of power. Supermicro's announcement is all the more interesting because the company has historically only supported Intel processors."

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  1. Historically huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Funny, I've got 20 1U and 2U supermicro opteron servers. Are you sure you researched this statement?

    1. Re:Historically huh? by the+melon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The article at the Register correctly states that they have just kept there Opteron stuff hidden. Aparently hpcanswers didnt read the whole thing or do any research.

      There AMD64 boards and systems can be found at http://www.supermicro.com/aplus

      I personally have one of these http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/motherboard/Optero n/nForce/H8DCE.cfm and it is a quality product.

    2. Re:Historically huh? by diegocgteleline.es · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes - but A year ago

  2. 1000 Watts of power!??!?! by Kittie+Rose · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't that equal to 1 Kilowatt? First we have ONE TRILLION BYTES, and now ONE THOUSAND WATTS! One million shames on you, Slashdot.

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    1. Re:1000 Watts of power!??!?! by ex-geek · · Score: 5, Funny

      A Kilowatt would be 1024 Watts. So shame on you!

    2. Re:1000 Watts of power!??!?! by ex-geek · · Score: 4, Funny

      Kilo=1000

      Yeah, right. That's what the power companies want you to believe.

  3. Space heater by iamplupp · · Score: 3, Informative

    "It also consumes 1000 watts of power" 1000W seems a little high... Four dual core opterons doesent need half of that! Even less for single core. The article suggest using 55W opterons.

    1. Re:Space heater by CrayHill · · Score: 4, Informative

      As per TFA, they use a 1000-watt power supply. It does not consume a 1000 watts of power.

    2. Re:Space heater by Homology · · Score: 4, Informative

      Few power supplies much better than 80% efficiency, so with a 1KW PSU you can expect 800 W that is usable. The Opteron 870 is rated as max 95W, so four of them gives approximately 400W. A few SCSI hard disks that may use as much as 30W at startup, much memory, lots of cooling, and whatever the motherboard itself consumes, and we have easily another 100W. While a 1KW PSU seems much, it does not seem excessive.

    3. Re:Space heater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Probably because they just happen to be manufactured that way now. Remarkable leaps forward in switched mode semiconductor PSUs lately. Take a look at this baby Mini ITX PSU
      Just because this device says it will deliver 1KW at peak I don't expect that was a design parameter. Most interesting is that it fits into a 1U profile, I expect this is a tiny little beast.

      Problem is this: There's a growing drive here in Europe towards "green" computing. A well designed micro-cluster of nano form factor boards can beat the pants of something like this in MIPS/Watt, that's the way forward. I think CPU manufacturers are taking a wrong road into ever more power hungry devices, pretty soon energy regulation is going to tip the cart towards the "less is more" way of thinking.

    4. Re:Space heater by mihalis · · Score: 2, Interesting
      f it doesnt consume 1KW, why does it need a 1KW psu

      My guess is the designers want to ensure excellent peak current capability. Maybe when the board switches on the transient power draw troubles lesser power supplies that nominally cover the steady state power demand. Certainly if what I've read about hi-fi amps is at all representative you are better off with plenty of headroom when trying to drive speakers with a spiky signal (that is, music), and so it seems to me a server would enjoy better reliability if the power supply was more than adequate for even worst case power draw.

    5. Re:Space heater by Courageous · · Score: 2, Interesting

      For server solutions like these, typically the power supply is REDUNDANT. I.e., it's two of 'em, with a failover capability. This is very common, particularly in rackmounts.

      C//

    6. Re:Space heater by ivan256 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Even dual processor 1U Xeon boxes typically have dual-redundant 1000W power supplies.

      You never know what an enterprise user is going to stick in the expansion slots.

    7. Re:Space heater by evilviper · · Score: 3, Informative
      BAD MODS! NO COOKIE!

      Few power supplies much better than 80% efficiency, so with a 1KW PSU you can expect 800 W that is usable.

      No, NO, NO, NO, NO! It doesn't matter if you have a 10% effecient power supply, or a 100% effecient power supply. A 1000WATT power supply will OUTPUT 1000WATTS. The difference in effeciency is how much INPUT power it will need to do that, and how much waste heat it will produce in the process.

      Power supplies are not, and have never been, rated by their INPUT. That would be just stupid, as it would seriously penalize those companies that make more energy-effecient units.
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  4. It all makes sense by Ancil · · Score: 4, Funny
    the company has historically only supported Intel processors.
    That explains it. They probably have a whole bin of 1,000-watt power supplies sitting around they need to get rid of.
  5. Intel's dominance at play here by hirschma · · Score: 4, Informative

    Supermicro has offered AMD solutions for a quite while now - just not under their "main" brand name. If you don't know that their Aplus products exist, you won't find them. Although I'm sure no one would go on record, I'd wager that Intel has pressured a heavily Intel-dependent vendor to not promote AMD's product.

    In fact, go to SuperMicro's home page, and you'll notice no mention or links to their AMD based products.

    This isn't the first time that this has happened. When AMD first shipped the Athlon, very few board makers dared to ship Athlon solutions for fear of Intel shorting them on chipsets. I recall, but cannot substantiate, that Asus and Abit first shipped Athlon boards under a "shadow brand", much as Supermicro is doing here.

    I, for one, cannot wait to buy some of the Supermicro^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h, um, Aplus gear.

  6. FINALLY. by blair1q · · Score: 4, Funny

    Finally.

    A pizza box that will actually cook your pizza.

  7. Re:Imagine what a... by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Funny

    ..beowulf cluster of these would do.

    nothing - after they blow the breakers. 1 kw is a lot of juice. per 1U.

    So quick - convince your boss he needs one of those for his desktop, and you'll "inherit" the dual cpu you conned him into buying a few months ago so you could "inherit" his last desktop.

  8. Re:Boring - NOT! by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh, come on. You know your nipples got hard when you read the headline. 8 cores, 64GB of memory, onboard scsi with built in raid. Of course we can't afford it. You're not going to bed Keira Knightley either, but that doesn't mean she's "boring".

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  9. Re:Boring - NOT! by l3v1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    :D Yeah, one really has to be IT-related so as not to cough up yesterday's food when reading such comparison involving Keira Knightley and a quadX2 opteron board :D

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  10. I liked SuperMicro... by (H)elix1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've still got some SBU and DBU mainboards still chugging away. The problem was I made the switch to AMD and SuperMicro waited years to make the transition. To bad because I liked their kit and in the PII/III era, and Asus, Abit, and SuperMicro were solid recommendations to friends and family. They sort of fell off the recommendation list because of the preference of the AMD CPU's. Now that they are working back into the workstation/server market, I'll definitely take a look the next time I do a system update.

    Yes, they had a white box label that did AMD stuff. Whatever. I'm glad to see the 'pro' brand get with the program.

  11. You're a moron by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 2, Informative
    If you read the article, you'd find that each of the Opterons in it will use 55 watts. Since you're stupid, I won't take any chances and do the calculation for you: 55 X 4 = 220 Watts of power (plus a bit extra for running the chipset and drives). That's not bad for what is essentially 8 cpu's! The recommended (read the spec sheet) 1000 watt power supply is there to insure perfectly stable voltages. It would be overkill for anything except applications where maximum uptime is essential (like web serving).

    For the sake of comparison, I run a 530 Watt PSU on this system, which draws about 100 Watts from the wall. Yaay for cool-running AMDs!

  12. how about 16 cores? by Ankou · · Score: 3, Informative

    Maby you cant fit it in 1u, but Tyan makes the K8QW that supports 8 Opterons with the M4881 add on processor board. Meaning you got 16 cores of pure powa. Go ahead, compile the internet. I'd be interested in knowing if there was anything higher than that.

  13. Is this Google's new brain? by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 2, Interesting
    A Supermicro source rushed to claim some of the glory tied to rumors that Google has become a large Opteron shop.

    "There's some truth to the rumors" about Supermicro supplying gear to Google, the source said. "It was happy days around here."

    This is pretty slick hardware, and given Google's recent and complete switch to AMD, this seems like a good match. Opterons are just awesome, even I'm seriously thinking of buying a 165 (slobber...).

    On an unrelated note, did you notice the chipset is made by NVidia? Wow, they've come a long way! I'm impressed to see this kind of iron from a company that used to live off pimply gamers. With PCI-X supported, I can't help but wonder about what framerates one could get in a properly multithreaded game.

    1. Re:Is this Google's new brain? by ScriptedReplay · · Score: 4, Informative

      i'll be dead before using a gamer chipset for serious usage

      what you don't realise is that it's not your regular NForce4 gamer's chipset. nVidia has a separate professional line, see here to which this one (nForce pro 2200) belongs.

  14. Re:Uh? by symbolset · · Score: 2, Informative
    Recommended 1KW power supply is not the same thing as consumes 1KW of power. The motherboard itself almost certainly consumes less than 100. It's the other stuff you might choose to plug into it that starts burning the watts. Four of this http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/opteron/details.as px?opn=OSA850AVWOF, for example, would max out at 356W TDP. By the time you add VR efficiency and PSU efficiency into that equation you're pegging >550W of wall power just for the processors.

    If you actually built a rack full of 22-24 1KW 1U servers you should probably apply some forethought to how you're going to get rid of more heat than is generated by four of these:http://www.paragonweb.com/TNF1613.cfm. Also, you should probably have the power company increase the multiplier on your meter, lest it spin like an AOL CD on an angle grinder: http://homepages.newnet.co.uk/martynarnold/aol.htm

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  15. Much better use of space by mpcooke3 · · Score: 3, Funny

    This will allow for much better use of space in data center racks.

    For example I could take out 8x 1U Intel based Dell web servers and replace it with 1 8way supermicro Opteron machine.

    The Opteron server couple probably serve content faster than the 8 Intel based Dells plus with the additional 7u space I'll easily have enough space to put a saucepan on top to boil water for tea, thereby saving myself the 80p I normally spend in the data center vending machine.

  16. Off topic but... Why? by nroose · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why does every server have it's own transformer/converter/rectifier/power supply (I think you know what I mean, that thing that converts from AC to DC)? It seems to me that it would make more sense for a room of servers to have a DC supply for all the computers.

    What's more, most server rooms have a power backup unit, which converts from AC to DC and back to AC again, just so that the computers can convert it back to DC. This is terribly inefficient just in terms of electricity, and it also creates a whole lot of heat, just so that we can air condition these rooms with huge air conditioners!

    It would just seem to make sense to me that the world of computing would come up with a standard for using DC, and then companies would build big power supplies that would offer redundancy, power backup, and current conditioning. It would save money, power and space.

    1. Re:Off topic but... Why? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      For more information on this topic, see here.

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    2. Re:Off topic but... Why? by Rick+Genter · · Score: 3, Informative
      It would just seem to make sense to me that the world of computing would come up with a standard for using DC, and then companies would build big power supplies that would offer redundancy, power backup, and current conditioning. It would save money, power and space.


      In fact, in the telco world, this is exactly how it works. The standard is to use -48vDC. Sun (among other manufacturers) makes servers that run directly off of DC (the Netra 120 on the referenced page).
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  17. Standby spare by Spazmania · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Also included: a standby spare so that when that much heat in that small a package burns itself out in six months you don't have to wait for a replacement. Supermicro is generally pretty good but packing a kilowatt of consumption into a 1U package is about as smart as running your home PC in the oven set on bake.

    Maybe I'm just sore because I've spent the last few weeks identifying the bad ram in last year's opteron rackmounts from Penguin. 2 gig ECC dimms and I'm seeing a 40% failure rate from multiple manufacturers. They stacked the damn chips one on top of another. There's no where for the heat to go. Of course they're going to fail.

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    1. Re:Standby spare by evilviper · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Supermicro is generally pretty good but packing a kilowatt of consumption into a 1U package is about as smart as running your home PC in the oven set on bake.

      A kilowatt in a 1U package is generally called a "Deluxe George Foreman Grill".

      If you pack the front and rear panels with several high-speed ear-piercing fans, you could disperse that kind of heat. You'll need to wear hearing protection when you go into your server room, but it's certainly possible.

      Still, these are the kinds of absolutely ridiculous solutions you get when co-hosting companies all decide to charge an arm and a leg because of "size" rather than making "wattage" the most important factor.
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  18. That's a lot of HP by symbolset · · Score: 2, Interesting
    And I don't mean Compaq.

    1 horsepower ~= 746W.

    The horsepower of our computers has gone from figurative to literal.

    One rack of these could theoretically consume more power than this: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0107 _2000_mini_cooper_sport/

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  19. Recommed PSU rating by puhuri · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Supermicro states quite high PSU requirements. I have few 1U systems that have only 250 W systems even if the motherboard spec says minimum 350 W. However, no stablity problems even with add-on cards.

    I guess they only want to play safe and do not want anyone to complain about instability because of too weak PSU.

  20. "Consumes" 1000 watts "of power" by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Hate to be pedantic, but this pizza-box doesnt "consume" 1000 watts "of power". In many ways:

    • The sticker on the power supply may say "1000 watts", but that's an upper limit of what the power supply can do when maxed out. I suspect in typical setups the draw will be much lower. Opterons only draw about 80 watts, so a quad of them will only be about 300 watts. You're only going to max out with a lot of memory and many 10K RPM disks.
    • The unit doesnt "consume" the power, it gets mostly (99%) gets converted into heat.
    • Saying "1000 watts" is enough. No need to say "of power", the only meaning of watts is as a measure of power. I suppose we should be glad they didnt use one of the many wrong units, like watt-hours, or watts per hour.
    • That's a lot of watts in a 1U height! Do they suggest mounting it high on the rack so you can use it as a hair dryer?
  21. 1000 Watt power supply, NOT 1000 Watts of power by speedplane · · Score: 3, Informative


    "It also consumes 1000 watts of power."
    WRONG!
    The board requires a 1000 Watt power supply, not neccesarily 1000 watts of power. The power supply is the upper limit of how much the board can consume. Most computers come with a 300 watt power supply even though they normally use only about 100 Watts.
    That being said, this board probably consumes quite a bit of power (but much less than 1000 watts) if it needs such a heavy duty power supply.

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  22. Re:"1U?" by Rick+Genter · · Score: 3, Informative

    If, on the other hand, you use Google to search for 1u, the very first link gives a nice, detailed explanation on exactly what 1U means.

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  23. Re:"1U?" by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 2, Informative

    1U is exactly 1.75" high. It's an old standard for putting the holes in 19" and 24" racks, designed to allow devices of different heights to be stacked efficiently by having the screw holes laid out according to certain well-defined patterns. The patterns are quite old, and caused a lot of problems when the US tried to switch to metric (and basically failed in the computer manufacturing industry).

  24. I do this on a smaller scale. by linuxpyro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have a VIA mini-itx board that I run as a Web, mail, and MySQL server in my basement. I got the board used, with the 12 volt dc power supply. I use one of these with a small emergency lighting battery for a simple, efficient UPS. The board has a 1 GHZ processor, and draws on average about 3 amps at 12 volts. It should run for about an hour on backup; luckilly I haven't had to test that lately :).

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  25. Re:Uh? by jargoone · · Score: 2, Insightful

    RTF Title:

    Supermicro Announces Quad-Opteron 1U Motherboard