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What is UNIX, Anyway?

Lieutenant writes "Technology professionals have loosely used the term "UNIX" since the first person had to explain the difference between the Berkeley and AT&T flavors, so it's not surprising to find as many UNIX standards as there are versions of the operating system. Peter Seebach wades through the wellspring of UNIX standards and sorts them out for you, concluding that the rumors of the death of UNIX are (as usual) greatly exaggerated."

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  1. it's ok by rayde · · Score: 5, Funny

    i don't take any reports of UNIX's death as fact without a Netcraft confirmation.

    1. Re:it's ok by narkotix · · Score: 3, Funny

      ....no but apparently some whacko reckons aix aint made by ibm and its all part of the big plan...u know the krill files

      The IBM Unix variant, AIX, is rumored to have been developed by space aliens

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      We played dungeons and dragons for 3 hours.....then i was slain by an elf
    2. Re:it's ok by NitsujTPU · · Score: 3, Funny

      Have they said anything about Slashdot dying?

      There are 11 whole posts (so far) on a story where geeks get to stroke their egos by showing their ignorance and calling everything in sight a version of Unix.

      Heck, I didn't even see anybody post a *BSD is Dying troll.

    3. Re:it's ok by aussie_a · · Score: 4, Funny

      Heck, I didn't even see anybody post a *BSD is Dying troll.

      That's because it is already dead.

  2. Correlation, Causation, LSD by Quirk · · Score: 5, Funny
    In some cases, existing practice in a field reflects a decision a college student at Berkeley made at 3 AM.

    "There were only two things to come out of Berkeley in the 60's, LSD and Unix. I doubt that is a coincidence."

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    "Academicians are more likely to share each other's toothbrush than each other's nomenclature."
    Cohen
  3. Had to be said. by deblau · · Score: 3, Funny

    "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from." -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum, author of Minix.

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    This post expresses my opinion, not that of my employer. And yes, IAAL.
  4. Re:First Sale Doctrine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    They'll probably try to stop you from using it by applying the Patriot Act. I think in section 3.14.a.2.2.b it says that a terrorist is someone who uses standards documentation without renewing their license.

  5. Re:UNIX ? by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Funny
    XINU Is Not Unix.

    (It's actually a giant space clam that wants you to give all your money to L Ron Hubbard)

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    Do you even lift?

    These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

  6. Re:Unix is in everything by zephc · · Score: 3, Funny

    Indeed, the story of UNIX today is depicted in this documentary.

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    "I would say that 99 per cent of what my father has written about his own life is false." - L. Ron Hubbard Jr.
  7. Answer by ceeam · · Score: 5, Funny

    Unix is not GNU.

  8. Re:mnennnnn by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 3, Funny

    That command is only valid for System V type variants.

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    It's true I tell you, feller at work's next door neighbour read it in the paper.
  9. Re:mnennnnn by ettlz · · Score: 5, Funny
    kytf jxcjvoixcvj :: POIJP>>IPOhghghgIPO

    That command is only valid for System V type variants.

    Ah. I see you've been forced to use AIX as well!

  10. Re:UNIX hater's handbook. by MROD · · Score: 3, Funny

    // well, actually not so much the systems themselves, but the assinine UNIX mentality of "harder is better" and "more documentation eliminates the need for good design.", which set back Computer Science departments and academia 15 years behind industry.
    /// fortunately, one of the unintended side-effects of Linux is that the mentality, at least amongst Linux users, is slowly, ever so slowly, fading away.


    Hmm.. yes, in /// you say that Linux programmers are going away from //. They are, they're just not doing the documentation. ;-)

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    Agrajag: "Oh no, not again!"
  11. Re:Last time I checked, UNIX was a trademark by Russ+Nelson · · Score: 2, Funny

    If Linux is a kernel, where is Solaris/Linux (in the same misbegotten naming scheme as GNU/Linux)? That makes no sense, of course, since the operating system *is* the kernel plus whatever runs on it. Linux is Linux, GNU is GNU, and Solaris is Solaris. Name/modifier is crap/shit. Just say no to crap/shit.

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    Don't piss off The Angry Economist
  12. Re:I vote for syslog by samkass · · Score: 4, Funny

    You've never read a Sendmail.cf file, have you?

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    E pluribus unum
  13. Re:portability wtf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    yeah. It was next to impossible to get id's quake 1 source to compile on linux. oh, the horror.

    i had to type 'make'!! and then, get this, i had to move the quake binary to ~/bin myself!

  14. Re:If only that were true! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    Clearly you were never forced to program anything to the Win32 API.

    Have you ever programmed on Unix/BSD/Linux systems? When writing non-trivial applications, there are substantial differences among them. Why do you think GNU autoconf was created?

    Having programmed on both, I can say that Win32 is, and always has been, much more uniform across variants of the system than Unix/BSD/Linux. That doesn't mean it's better, or more consistent on any givem implementation. I generally prefer the Unix/BSD/Linux APIs, and would say they're more consistent on any given implemenration, but the differences among implementations are clearly bigger than the differences among Win32 implementations, especially if graphical APIs are added to the mix. There's also a much wider variety of different Unix/BSD/Linux systems developers have to worry about than is the case with Win32.

  15. Re:I vote for syslog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    To be fair, he did say "drug induced". Sendmail.cf (Heck, M4 in its entirity) clearly is not drug induced. It is a many tentacled being which slithered forth from the darkest nether regions of hell to lay waste to the minds of humanity. On a good day.

  16. Unix you say? by MattskEE · · Score: 2, Funny
    A lady struck up a conversation with me on an airplane.
    • Her: "And where are you going?"
    • Me: "I'm going to San Francisco to a UNIX convention."
    • Her: "Eunuchs convention? I didn't know there were that many of you."

    From http://rinkworks.com/stupid/cs_comeagain.shtml
  17. So true by mkswap-notwar · · Score: 2, Funny

    One of the best quotes I've ever heard was from a colleague of mine,

    "Unix isn't."

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    "I reject your reality, and substitute my own!"
  18. Re:Define it by its limitations by rolfwind · · Score: 2, Funny

    Check out chapter 7 titled "The X Windows Disaster: How to make a 50-Mips Workstation run like a 4.77MHz IBM PC"

    I especially like the opening quote:

    "If the designers of X Windows built cars, there would be no fewer
    than five steering wheels hidden about the cockpit, none of which fol-
    lowed the same principles--but you'd be able to shift gears with your
    car stereo. Useful feature, that."--Marcus J. Ranum, Digital Equipment Corporation