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The Enemy Within the Firewall

Mel Tom writes to tell us The Age is reporting that many businesses are now considering employees a much bigger threat to security than most external threats. From the article: "With email and instant messaging proving increasingly popular and devices such as laptop computers, mobile phones and USB storage devices more commonplace in the office, the opportunities for workplace crime are growing."

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  1. One thing is sure by LunaticTippy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If companies treat their employees like criminals, they are likely to get what they expect.

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    1. Re:One thing is sure by ditoa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Treating your employees like criminals and restricting access to data that they have no business in accessing are very different things. Remember you own nothing at your work, it all belongs to the company. Restricting access to things you do not own is not treating you like a criminal.

    2. Re:One thing is sure by tpgp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If companies treat their employees like criminals, they are likely to get what they expect.

      While I can certainly understand why you say that, the article's headline 'the enemy within the firewall' was a bit of a troll.

      More like 'the hapless idiot within the firewall' because the article is more about external attacker using employees's as a vector rather then the employees themselves being the attacker.

      And really - when I say 'the hapless idiot' I'm being far too harsh - after all, it only takes inserting a music CD to potentially install a rootkit on a company's (windows) PC.

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    3. Re:One thing is sure by LunaticTippy · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I realize there are risks, and agree that appropriate security needs to be in place.

      You're right that I was responding to the tone of the article and headline.

      I've worked for companies that think of employees as liabilities they reluctantly put up with because there isn't another option. It comes through loud and clear in their policies. Security measures that add no security but are humiliating, stark double standards for management and staff, headlines about corporate malfeasance and record-breaking bonuses, etc.

      I think treating employees like family is a better approach. Give them some trust, but have policies in place. My mother, for example, has a computer with very strict security policies that she can't change. That is appropriate, and she has thanked me for it. Same approach will work for employees.

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    4. Re:One thing is sure by Metzli · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Depending on where you are and what you do, that's the norm. I once worked at a bank's data center and there were cameras all over the place. They do background checks before you join, etc. Personally, I don't have a problem with that. I would feel better knowing that the place that has my money is that careful.

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    5. Re:One thing is sure by Lehk228 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i have no problem with criminal checks. if i was hiring an accountant i would want to know he wasn't involved in previous fraud or other scandals

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    6. Re:One thing is sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It completely depends on what you'll be doing and what data you'll have access to. You have to pass a background check as well as a credit check before you'll be issued a [gov't] security clearance. The first is for character, the second is to see how easily you might be bought. So far as private companies go ... maybe they're just paranoid or are hiding their true motives for digging into employees' personal lives.

    7. Re:One thing is sure by green1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >> i have no problem with criminal checks. if i was hiring an accountant i would want to know he wasn't involved in previous fraud or other scandals

      There are 2 problems here, first of all this depends on the scope of the criminal check, is it any of your business if your accountant had a drunk driving conviction 15 years ago?
      secondly, we as a society frequently complain that criminals aren't properly rehabilitated after serving their sentences, but a lot of that is our fault. just try to get a decent job with a criminal record, it's almost impossible, so these people can't get a good job, they go back to what they know they can do... if we want to rehabilitate people and stop them from committing the same crimes again, how are we supposed to do that if we won't hire them?

    8. Re:One thing is sure by thzinc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I really have no problem with having background and credit checks being required for employment. Personally, I can take a small amount of relief in the fact that the people I work with do not have a outstanding criminal background. (And the credit check is fine just because I happen to work for a financial corporation. Personal money troubles have, in the past, indicated a higher probability for crimes like embezzlement and such.)

      Also, I do feel that recurring background checks are a good and necessary thing to protect not only the interests of the corporation, but also the employees within. If I was recently, but quietly, involved in some criminal activity and was convicted of it, I think my employer has a right to at least know what I was convicted of. If, per chance, it happened to be something to the tune of embezzlement, I think my employer may have a hard time justifying keeping me. If I was convicted of a violent crime, the company would be putting its employees at risk by continuing my employment. (Within reason... If sufficient rehabilitation had taken place, I do not see a reason to automatically terminate.)

      Regardless, most of the information found is public record anyways. (Including, in some circumstances, your credit information.)

    9. Re:One thing is sure by KarmaMB84 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      America is also extremely litigious. If you don't weed out drug users and they steal from or harm someone on company time, you get boned here in the good ol' US of A.

    10. Re:One thing is sure by wkitchen · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Does this make people feel like a criminal?
      It doesn't make me feel like a criminal. But it does help to clarify what the true nature of the relationship is. The company is not my friend, because clearly, it does not consider me one.

      After many years of having my misplaced loyalty abused, I have developed a much different perspective than the one I started with. My present employer is one of the best I've ever worked for. Decent pay, relatively low stress, competent co-workers, recognition for accomplishments, occasional extra little perks to keep it fun, and vastly less office BS than I've seen elsewhere. But due to several painful learning experiences in the past, my loyalty to this company is much more conditional than it has been with any other. It's a sweet deal, and I go out of my way to do a good job for them. But the moment it stops being sweet is the moment my loyalty gets a new "for sale" sign.

      I am now acutely aware that the individuals I work for or with are not the corporation. So, despite whatever goodness those folks have, and whatever little perks, bonuses, recognition, fun events, or whatever else the company gives me, I know that it's still just a souless corporation underneath.

      Corportations change hands. Executives come and go. Managers and co-workers come and go. Don't misplace your loyalty.
    11. Re:One thing is sure by TheSkyIsPurple · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > It's funny. At one job I had, it wasn't allowed to defragment my own hard drive. Yet I had delete access to every table in the production database. Strange.

      Perhaps because you have "ownership" of the production database and will catch living hell if you break it.

      But, if you accidentally hose your desktop, there is no real recourse against you? It only ends up costing the IT group time and money to fix your problem. (maybe not you personally, but "users" in general may have set the pattern...)

  2. And this is new? by Trevahaha · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't this covered in Security 101 -- most instances of stealing information, destroying data, etc. occurs from the inside (or ex-employees).

    1. Re:And this is new? by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Trevahaha wrote:
      Isn't this covered in Security 101
      True, but it's also covered in BLAME 101 -- When something goes wrong you need to identify, control, and correct the problem. It does no good to acknowledge security issues to the press or in your financial report if you have no response to them.

      While you may not know who the real criminals are or whether they are inside or outside your firewall, it IS easy to establish internal policies ("No iPods indoors!") or provide a subtext to layoffs ("We are tightening security!") rather than actually having to diagnose or deal with the real threats right away.

      Are good security policies really on the rise in corporations or is the need for blame?

  3. Not much new here by truthsearch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The disguntled employee has always been the biggest security threat to any company. The only new thing today is how much easier it is to disrupt security and how often security is breached accidentally. I still see idiots send out passwords in plain text e-mails all the time. Educating employees is just as important as not disenfranchising them and properly securing networks.

    1. Re:Not much new here by GlassHeart · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I still see idiots send out passwords in plain text e-mails all the time.

      RFC 821 (SMTP) was published in 1982. 24 years later on computers with 3,000 times the clock speed, we're still blaming users for the total lack of security in their email applications and infrastructure? How about some security out of the box, the same thing we expect of operating systems vendors?

    2. Re:Not much new here by truthsearch · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Every good security expert will tell you the problem is far more social than technical. We can put in all the encryption and layers you want. But we can still call up 8 out of 10 companies and get the operator's computer password over the phone. The point is it'll always be about the user.

  4. The enemy within the gates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am shrugging at this, because it seems fairly obvious to me. After all, haven't all the e-mail worms of the past decade gone through corporate firewalls because some guy in the office just opened an e-mail he though had some interesting photos in it? Or some guy happens to leave his blackberry with hundreds of sensitive emails on it on a subway train or in Starbucks?

  5. Of course they are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    That's precisely how Sasser hit us at work a couple years ago. All it took was one laptop to infect the whole network. Thank heavens we still had some NT 4 boxes and UNIX workstations, which were completely immune, so people could still get work done. None of the XP machines ever stood a chance at knowing what hit 'em. Even to this day, we now have a Sasser-detecting script on all machines, but realistically, that's only a patch to a potentially bigger problem.

  6. Forbidden IM by truthsearch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    IM forbidden? Tunnel it through SSH on port 443. Works every time and the company can't spy on what you're IMing.

    1. Re:Forbidden IM by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But they will know that you were doing something.

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    2. Re:Forbidden IM by idontgno · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Tunnel it through SSH on port 443. Works every time and the company can't spy on what you're IMing.

      Until they lock down down which systems you can hit at port 443. Are you gonna start port-hopping? Then they get really draconic and employ a total "deny unless permitted" outbound ruleset.

      Yeah, it can be limiting. In a way, an organization which does this gets what it deserves: workers buckled into the traces with blinders around their eyes, plodding away. Kinda like a team of draft horses pulling a big ol' wagon, which sucks if your competitors are actually operating in this century.

      But since when has that mattered? As long as we're in control, none of the rest matters. MWAHAHAHA!

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    3. Re:Forbidden IM by eneville · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And some admins do protocol inspection.

      There's a bunch of ways to stop tunnels, or even break connections off after a set amount of time, if it takes 5 minutes, surely that cant be good.

      Personally I'd like to prevent people listening to streaming music... if someone wants to listen to music, they can buy a mp3 player, or bring in an FM/DAB radio.

      And besides, they can't be doing anything through the tunnel that's directly related to work that they can't get permission for from the admin, so they should stop being covert about it.

    4. Re:Forbidden IM by Draconian_SysAdmin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I love people like you. You give me the reasons I take to managment when I need to impliment "The Next Policy to Prevent lUsers From Screwing Us Over"

      Let's consider what you have just done. When the next virus that attacks via IM comes down the pipe, you have made yourself a vector into the corporate network. Why? Because you wanted to chat with your "kewl d00dz" on IM on work time.

      You have just enough knowledge to make yourself dangerous and a liability to the environment, but not enough maturity to see that.

  7. Who is the enemy? by Y-Crate · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While businesses should take reasonable precautions to secure their networks, data and physical assets, I've found that the employer/employee relationship is beginning to evolve into one of suspicion and severe distrust that is fostering resentment, anger and inhibiting productivity. No one wants to work anywhere they are treated as being one step removed from a hardened criminal from the moment they walk in the door on their first day. There is a fine line between taking sensible precautions to prevent opportunistic breaches of security, and indulging in paranoia and broadcasting an implicit belief through actions and words that everyone there is just waiting for the right moment to take the entire company for all they're worth.

    Employees are no longer being thought of as possible risks, but confirmed dangers that must be actively confronted every step of the way. Proactive security measures enacted in a passive way that does not interfere with day to day work in an unreasonable fashion, or impact the work environment in a disproportionate manner are giving way to managers that are far more focused on what their employees are deliberately doing wrong, than on the actual work at hand.

    By creating this atmosphere of hostility and distrust which cannot be overcome by proving oneself through hard work and carrying out duties in a thoughtful, honest way, managers are encouraging high-turnover, poor communication between workers, poor attitudes towards work and customers, and an atmosphere of little or no respect for the organization which anyone can tell you is the first step towards encouraging workplace crime.

    1. Re:Who is the enemy? by aussersterne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is a fine line between taking sensible precautions to prevent opportunistic breaches of security, and indulging in paranoia and broadcasting an implicit belief through actions and words that everyone there is just waiting for the right moment to take the entire company for all they're worth.

      The problem is that this is absolutely true in western society. Everyone is waiting to take everyone for all they're worth. Witness patent battles, intellectual property and copyright battles, lawsuits, hostile takeovers, noncompete agreements and violations of noncompete agreements, "new enterpreneurship" in which you work to gain expertise, then leave the company and start your own doing the same things, corporate cutbacks in benefits and resorting to temp workers and outsourcing... From my view, virtually every practice in the free market, even those that are applauded, are of marginal ethics and morality at best. The basic premise of taking as much wealth as possible from others because you are clever enough to win it at their expense makes the entire pile of rubbish stink.

      Everyone is in this for his or herself, and the offensively rich can routinely be heard to say to the poor labor force: "You should have seized the opportunity like I did," or "it's not my fault if you don't know how to build wealth."

      Everything is fair game--it's only illegal if someone richer than you or less clever than you is able to stop you from getting away with it. So companies should be paranoid, because all of their employees would steal everything not nailed down if they could get ahold of it, and employees should be paranoid, because companies would press employees bodies and minds into perpetual, dehumanizing forced labor if they could.

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    2. Re:Who is the enemy? by HalfStarted · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A common trend I am seeing in these threads is the equating of "IT infrastructure policies to limit employee access" == "Treating employees like criminals".

      Bank employees (at least the ones I know and talk to) definitely do not feel that they are treated like criminals, but most of them are not allowed into the vault at any time they like for any reason they would like. Similarly I would consider it a reasonable policy to specify IT polices to limit access to databases that contained confidential data.

      Access policies are just one example of a reasonable IT policy for protecting corporate data and infrastructure. Really most acceptable use policies are also reasonable when you get down to it as well.

      As recent as the 2005 CSI/FBI Computer Crime and Security Survey roughly 50% of all network intrusion/unauthorized use was from inside jobs. This can have a substantial material impact on a company, it is only reasonable that they take steps to minimize this as well. Reasonable policies to protect corporate assets are not the same as treating you like a criminal, hence the word reasonable. From reading the article I do not see anyone saying that extreme steps should be taken either, just that this is an area that should not be ignored and deserves some thought.

      Really the argument that IT policies intended to limit access or specify accepted use for equipment is tantamount to treating you like a criminal is just an overreaction by technologically sophisticated people that resent the idea of being told that they can't do anything they want.

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  8. All employees or just executives? by gcauthon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I like how they lump everyone into one big category. Unless you've been living in a cave for the past 5 years, it should be obvious who the biggest crooks are. Hint, they all have 3-letter acronyms for titles.

  9. Always has been, always will be a problem by sizzzzlerz · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Stealing money from the till, stealing insider information, gaming the quarterly sales to boost the stock price, etc., have always been an issue. If you employee human beings, these things will happen whether or not computers are used. Their actions don't even need to be illegal, simple carelessness can harm a company as much, or even more, than outright theft.

    Careful screening during hiring, sufficient training and re-training during employment, as well as attentiveness are the keys to mitigating these problems. Restricting e-mail, firewalls, etc., are simply putting fingers in the dike.

  10. Is security the answer? by loony · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you're in a situation where you really have to worry that much about your own people, doesn't that just show that management has failed to provide a good working environment and create loyalty?

    The only effect of security is going to be that the few loyal employees you have get pissed and turn against you too. And for anyone who has done only a little bit of hacking, we all know useful security is way too expensive... You'd need to audit virtually everything that's going on on a server and there are only a few government agencies that can efford that much money.

    So why not do something more useful with the money? Free coke for employees on tuesdays. Or fix that darn pothole at the entrance of the parking lot. Put a few plants up in the office... That is all money better spent than on some lack luster, process bound security measures...

    Peter.

  11. Re:opportunities for workplace crime are growing? by helix_r · · Score: 5, Insightful


    If an employee wants to screw up his employer, there are 1001 ways to do that-- with or without involving IT staff or systems.

    There is nothing new here except that more and more companies are treating their employees as disposable temps that can be dropped simply to increase share price. It is not surprising that in today's enviroments employees are more likely to feel they need revenge.

    Security lapses happen for a reason. Instead of attempting the sisphian task of "locking down" all systems, perhaps companies should address the root causes that incentivise their employees to behave badly.

  12. Re:This Has Been Why... by MobyDisk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!!

    I've seen companies that have syadmins spend who their time monitoring employees and sacking the ones who use gmail from work, post to Slashdot, or other non-authorized activities under the guise efficiency and security. But it is really an excuse: it was cheaper to hire several semi-technical wannabes to monitor employee activities than to pay one good sysadmin to properly secure the network.

    Most of the employees only have a computer on their desk to send email and use Microsoft Office. Those people don't need to be administrative users.

  13. Who do you trust then? by Vapon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you can't trust employees, who is securing the network for you? As a network admin I have full access to a company's full network within a week of starting a new job, otherwise I am unable to do my job.

    There will always be a level of trust needed between employers and employees since even if the president of a company can set up the security for a company they would still have to trust someone to enforce it, and that person would have the ability to abuse.

  14. Make Sure You Own It! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    You don't own it, but companies expect the same loyalty as if you owned it.

    See the contradiction? Why should an employee care about something they don't own?

    Given that the majority of companies wouldn't hesistate to act against the employees interest if there is any suggestion of compromosing the companies's interest, why should an employee protect a typical company's interest apart from doing the bare minimum required to preserve their own job?

    Companies are just repaing the "benefits" of years of treating employees as "production units".

    Yes I'm posting as an AC because I don't want any potential employers to know that I don't really care about their company apart from the fact it pays me money.

    (I'm not advocating slacking off in life or being bitter and twisted. Just make sure the things you dedicate yourself to are either THINGS YOU OWN or a charitable cause that you think is worthy. Working for someone else's profit is what you do to make money so you can do do what really matters. Don't dedicate your life to making profit for someone else.)

    1. Re:Make Sure You Own It! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Why should an employee care about something they don't own?

      Because they're paid to do so?

    2. Re:Make Sure You Own It! by ThatNuttyPeej · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You don't own it, but companies expect the same loyalty as if you owned it.

      See the contradiction? Why should an employee care about something they don't own?


      Because of a phenomenon known in scientific circles as the paycheck.

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    3. Re:Make Sure You Own It! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
      My point exactly. You're paid to provide a certian level of "care", so don't act as if the employer's interests have some intrinsic worth.

      The care starts at 9am and finishes at 5pm (or whatever hours you are paid for). The duty of care only extends as far the job requires and no further. Forget this crap about working all hours and making your employer's objective your own. Do what is required but no more. Take the money and do something useful with it instead.

      Same AC as before.

    4. Re:Make Sure You Own It! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You don't own it, but companies expect the same loyalty as if you owned it.

      See the contradiction? Why should an employee care about something they don't own?


      >>>Because of a phenomenon known in scientific circles as the paycheck.

      There is a fundamental point overlooked here. I assume you're just being flippant but, the original poster didn't say he planned on destroying or stealing, only that he didn't care. The man in the apartment downstairs from me has a nice car, and I respect the car by not doing anything untoward to it but, I don't care about the car. The paycheck will make us work on things we wouldn't otherwise work on. It won't make us care.

      Now if pride of work can be achieved then, I'll care.

    5. Re:Make Sure You Own It! by value_added · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why should an employee care about something they don't own?

      Self-respect?

      Call me old-fashioned.

    6. Re:Make Sure You Own It! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Been talking to the HR department too much lately?

      Most businesses that have only one customer are doomed. To be accurate this analogy would require that the employee be allowed to work for multiple employers and be allowed to balance the interests of those employers. Most employers would not not happy with this and would probably accuse the employee of not having the company's interests at heart and sack them.

      Despite the talk, a business DOESN'T have its customers' interests at heart. The main interest of a business is making money. It is interested in the customers interests only as far as those interests make the business money. (Try proposing to IBM that they give you a million dollars because you are a customer and it is in your interest.)

      *If* an employee treats themselves as a business they should only be furthering their employer's interests to the extent that they align with their own and make themselves money.

    7. Re:Make Sure You Own It! by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I only respect those who do the same for me. And "those" includes the company I work for. Fortunately, they are good people ;)

  15. Key Fob Fear by Short+Circuit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And Floppy disks weren't a security threat?

    Seriously, except for images, it's not difficult to fit a *ton* of data on a floppy disk. Just export to an ASCII-based file format, then zip it up.

    Some other formats compress pretty well. Access databases, for example.

  16. Handling Employees and Security: by dracphelan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You need to do a few things to handle employees and security: 1. Do a thorough background check. This includes employment and criminal. You don't want to hire someone who did time for stealing from an employer. 2. Only allow them access to information they need for their jobs. I've had jobs where I could have walked out with all the personal info on past and current employees, and I had no need to access that information. 3. Run a good hardware and software anti-virus and firewall system. This means not letting every employee and their cousin having admin access to their machines. 4. Try to run a work place where people are happy to be there. I had an employer that I seriously thought about turning in software piracy because of the way he treated everyone in the office. Instead, I found a new job and left him with no technical people (it was a computer parts reseller).

  17. Insiders ARE threats! (remember iBill last week?) by GringoGoiano · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Insiders can be real threats, the BIGGEST threats. An insider can steal much more than a hacker ever can. And many insiders think they can get away with it. Just look at the porn-billing iBill incident made public last week.

    The best policy is to log everything that happens in an enterprise, to a level required to reconstruct past bad behavior. You can't keep your insiders away from information they need to do their jobs. Trust, but also verify! There are products out there like Sensage (http://www.sensage.com/ ) that can collect, centralize, and make available years of log data for an IT organization. While this might not prevent the theft in the first place, a company can crack down on and prosecute current/former misbehaving insiders. Sensage will do very well, as will many other companies in this space (including recent Slashdot heavy banner-advertiser Splunk (http://www.splunk.com/ ) ).

    I look forward to seeing how well these products do. It's time one of them went public so we can gauge interest.

  18. Re:Biotech by woolio · · Score: 2, Insightful


    I work in the biotech biz. We've been warned about Chinese "students" snafing our secrets. Thought it was a lot of tinfoil hat paranoia until we saw logs of HUGE attachments going to Asian hotmail addresses. Guess what some of those attachements were? Research data going straight back to China.

    Needless to say, his worker agreements were terminated and the person shipped back.


    How convenient... Since you shipped him back, he can explain to his Chinese counterparts the details that were not covered in the attachments.

    Way to go!

  19. Re:This Has Been Why... by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Ah, yes... nothing like creating an atmosphere of fear to motivate your employees and maintain productivity.

    The overlooked reality is: Most work never requires internet access. Email should be for work only.

    Prior to the internet, instant messaging, skype, etc. there were actually jobs and people got things done. Now there's the internet and people seem to feel (and I certainly notice this attitude on slashdot) that it's some kind of right for anyone in the company to check the news, view personal email, surf the web, even post on blogs, all on work time. Remarkable. I certainly find it aggrevating when I'm at work and someone's personal cell phone is going off every half hour. Before cell phones people got things done, too, but now there's some human rights issue about how much crap people can do rather than work, just to keep them happy? Whoa. I'm sure during interviews prospective employees don't enquire on how much internet freedom they can expect, as that would likely raise a red flag. Spend some time thinking about why.

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  20. Crime? by Eric+Damron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "With email and instant messaging proving increasingly popular and devices such as laptop computers, mobile phones and USB storage devices more commonplace in the office, the opportunities for workplace crime are growing."

    Oh please. I suppose that's true but in my shop we are far more afraid of workplace stupidity than crime.

    Users will do things like copy files from a home computer onto their work computer never thinking about the possible implications. There are also more cases where a user will connect a wireless switch to their RJ45 jack so that they can move their laptop anywhere they want and still be on the network. Do they think about encrypting the connection? No. That's the kind of stuff we worry about more than crime.

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  21. Cough.. Ahem.. & what about we honest employee by pandrijeczko · · Score: 4, Insightful
    As far as I am concerned, anything I spend almost a third of my life doing has to pay me enough to live comfortably *and* has to stimulate me as a job. In other words, I don't care how much my employer pays me, if they treat me like dirt and/or give me a boring job to do, then it's up to me to withdraw my services & go find another employer that can give me an interesting jonb.

    Fortunately, my job does stimulate me (it's not perfect but it's more good than bad) & allows me to live comfortably within the law. I'm treated pretty well, fairly autonomous in what I do & I have no interest in screwing over my employer - I don't care what money I was offered for "trade secrets", I wouldn't do it; my integrity is far more important to me.

    The point I'm trying to make is that in my experience, most people are like me rather than potential criminals - it's just a shame that anyone who works for an American company at the moment (like me) constantly has Sarbanes Oxley rammed down their throats & endless training about "work ethics" purely because a few corrupt CEOs in other companies have decided not to work ethically.

    At the end of it all, it is *just* a job and most people are inventive enough to find other sources of legal income if they choose to resign and walk out the door. If I chose to walk out the door, my employer can take their laptop back & any backups of my data - I'm just not interested in keeping it/

    Sure, there are internal security threats in any organisation but mostly it's due to employee stupidity rather than criminal activities - and in my view, no company spends enough on training employees to be less stupid; it's far easier to close down a few more ports on the firewall and put a few more banned sites in the web proxies than educate people about the dangers of webmail.

    And I am *STILL TRULY AMAZED* at the number of Windows users around me who do NOT change that STUPID default setting of "Hide extensions of known file types" - the BIGGEST security threat of all... believe me, turn that setting off and tell people not to open .BAT, .EXE and Office documents from sources they do not 100% trust & your security problems will dramatically reduce overnight.

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  22. It's in the Hacker's Handbook by jd · · Score: 3, Insightful
    And that came out in the UK in the mid-to-late 80s. Never did solve the anagram of the author's name. The DoD's "Orange Book" covers the topic in some depth, which is why computers that can carry classified data MUST be certified to B1 standard or better - or whatever the nearest Common Criteria protocol defines for mandatory access controls and protected space.


    And that's the crux of it. If you have discretionary access controls (or no meaningful access controls at all) then you're as trusting as the person who leaves a spare key under the doormat. Under a totally trusting environment, that actually works very well and can improve efficiency. Where trust is unrealistic or inappropriate, you need better defenses.


    I believe it has passed the point where most businesses should be using B1-comparable systems for as much as possible, and should use secure networking where practical.


    IPSec for all traffic would be good. All web traffic over SSL would be excellent, Kerberos is good. SSH is good. Telnet is bad. Rsh/Rlogin is evil. Both easy-to-guess and impossible to remember passwords are diabolical. Wireless without 802.1x security or better is satanic. Unpatched computers that "don't matter" (and so never supervised or monitored) are so far beyond the deepest pits of Hades that they should be burned at the stake and their transistors scattered to the four corners of the world.

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  23. Law and Order in the IT world by Mutatis+Mutandis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One of the most fundamental contributory factors to internal security problems in companies is the attitude of many IT departments and IT managers, who would basically like to run their business as a police state. As in "real life", security is always the ideal excuse to give IT managers more power and to downgrade the rights of system users.

    Of course, draconic security policies are very rarely backed up by any commitment from IT staff to provide efficient services and smoothly functioning systems. I've seen long documents discussing IT policy that expounded at great length on IT security, but failed to make any mention at all of service quality or system performance.

    The natural, logical, entirely human result of this is that users will rebel and take revenge by cheating on security policy. And why not? It is not as if the IT department is of much use to them, anyway, so it doesn't get any sympathy. But when you get to this point, none of your security policies is worth the paper they are carefully filed on, in triplicate. Basically, when you have lost goodwill, you have lost everything. No overload of carefully crafted security polices and security systems is going to help. The IT people will be the first ones to ignore them; they know how to get around the barriers.

    Of course IT will react to this by declaring that the users are the problem. Not so. IT is a supporting department, not more. If the users are unhappy and unruly, then IT is the problem; it is a strong indication that the department is failing in its mission.

    Rule One of an efficient IT policy is to understand the business your are supporting and its requirements, and to finely tune your policy to achieve the best compromise between security and functionality. When IT is experienced as a burden to users, instead of a support, you've lost the game. It can, and will, only go downhill from there.

    Frankly, past a certain point IT policy itself becomes a serious threat to the competitiveness of a company. Most CEOs would balk at giving everyone a 10% raise, but inept IT policy can cost them considerably more than 10% of the time of their workforce. Few of them realize this, because they regard software as too technical to be understood.

  24. Re:appropriate security by Marce1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While I do sympathise with the situation, and agree about logging and 'personal ownership' clauses, I find the family model awkward, but accurate.

    I, and several of my colleagues (of varying degrees of computer competency) have at different points needed permission to install programs, set up laptops on the home network etc.. My gf was given a laptop by work, which we cannot use on our home network as the permissions are too strict and the proxies are pre-set, hidden and locked away. Should I hack it? Back up the HD image and replace it? Let her lug a crippled machine around and transfer things by USB when we have a wireless network? Make her work at her home PC when at home?

    Problem is, she doesn't have the time (and they also take a dim view of her trying) to nag IT about every thing, little or big. It does, however, limit her performance, as she often finds quick internet access really helps her function. That said, she installed Kazaa on her home PC the moment I left her alone.. She is a typical professional idiot (I meant that in the nicest possible way, dear), and needs a lot of guidance, and someone on call to tend to her IT hiccups. At home, that's me, but they cant afford the workplace equivalent.

    Can't be let loose, cant afford on-call support, dont want to constantly monitor - so the employee does not function effectively..

    I would suggest that workers at all levels are treated (unless they prove otherwise, literally, through testing) as a DMZ; left to function (as you suggest), not monitored except in case of an overt issue, but not 'trusted' to be wise unless they can prove it. This would be more meritocratic, and less freindly than the typical family model often used, but would probably allow the employees (except possibly the tech support) to function more effectively.

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  25. IT should never be a "second manager" by typical · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All this may be true.

    However, I'm pretty damn rigorous about using work Internet access for work. No personal email at work, no messaging client, no browsing news sites, nothing like that.

    However, I still get incredibly pissed off when IT decides to try to regulate my behavior. Currently, the IT department where I work is the primary reason that I'd want to work somewhere else.

    For example, they cut any TCP connections that run for longer than a certain amount of time. The justification was that some people were listening to Internet radio. This is really irritating when trying to download *all the CD images* for the current Fedora and having my connection constantly drops. They filter Web access (anything with "proxy" or "WINE" in the URL, for example) -- fun when I was writing a piece of software for Windows that needed to interoperate with proxies. They block outgoing SSH access. Frankly, it is absolutely not IT's balliwick to be stomping on employees who are goofing off. They can go to the employee's boss, and provide him with that information, but IT should never be in a position of trying to regulate employee behavior. That's the responsibility of that employee's superior.

    It pisses the living hell out of the rest of us, who are treated with no trust (even aside from the direct impact of, for example, not having access to my addressbook and other data on my home computer from work).

    Frankly, every IT person who has managed to wedge themselves in the position of regulating employee behavior has become an obstacle to getting things done rather than an asset to the company. I'd like to see nothing more than those people fired, yesterday.

    You don't want someone at work who doesn't get anything done, who is "sending amusing flash/avi/mpeg between themselves, forwarding jokes someone outside sent to their gmail account (and they've cut-n-pasted them into work mail), etc."? Great. Let their managers fire the little unproductive bastards. But IT needs to stop trying to make themselves "second managers". They suck at it, and they deserve the dislike that comes back at them when they try it.

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  26. A nation of fear and paranoia by mrraven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Fear of employees, fear of Arabs owning the ports, fear of non existent WMDs in Iraq, fear of porn, fear of violent video games, fear little Johnny will be kidnapped if he's out of eye sight for even a millisecond, fear, fear, fear, it's all the MSM and our "leaders" speak of these days. Ever since 911 the U.S. has become a nation ruled by fear and paranoia. Is anyone sick of it yet?

    Whatever happened to rugged individualism, proud freedom, and respect for individual dignity without need for spying on employees, and fretting about "intellectual property" and "national security." How diminished we have become, how pathetic, how cowering.

    Fight back damn it, join unions to protect your rights at work, protest, make yourself heard before the candle of freedom is extinquished entirely.

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