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Is the Physical CD Still A Viable Market?

An anonymous reader writes "With iTunes and P2P networking dominating the online music scene, does the physical CD have any place in our future? Slyck is running an article on the study conducted by the NPD Group." From the article: "Since its peak sales year in 1999, there has been a steady deterioration in the number of physical CDs sold and shipped. The most immediate blame is typically placed on piracy, however over the course of the last six years this has proven superficial to reasons of more substance."

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  1. Nope by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    CD? Dead. CDR? Alive and kicking! >:)

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    1. Re:Nope by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I own a computer. I own an iPod. I own a mobile 'phone with an RS-MMC slot and an MP3/4 player.

      The only way I can buy music that will play on all of these is to buy the CD and rip it to AAC myself. If I buy WMA audio, I can't listen to it on my iPod or 'phone (or my computers, easily, since none of the run Windows). If I buy iTMS music, I can listen to it on my iPod and computer, but not my 'phone.

      Eventually the record labels will have to realise that DRM helps vendor lock-in, but does nothing to prevent piracy, and that it works against their own commercial interests. In the intervening period I will avoid online music retailers.

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    2. Re:Nope by Sloth503 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why is piracy the probable cause of CDs having already hitting their peak in sales? Why isn't it crappy music? Seriously. Why make the jump from CD sales are down to piracy before the jump from CD sales are down due to lack on interest in the talent?

    3. Re:Nope by eonlabs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This problem would be resolved if they weren't charging the same price for a CD as a DVD Video.
      A friend of mine made a fake death metal band on a dare and has sold out on CDs at $3 a piece, burnt on his own personal machine.

      Sucks to be the people who can't rip the world off anymore.
      Life likes to work that way.

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    4. Re:Nope by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I disagree big time.

      CD sales are booming for Indie artists and local artists. RIAA sales have dropped but simply because the quality has dropped massively and the price has increased. $18.99 for a CD is simply outragous for the low grade crap they sell. Indie artists sell their CD's for $12.99 to $9.99 and typically have better content, the production quality is as good as a $20,000,000 studios is from their basement Mac running garage band, and finally the Indie artist is not encumbered with the massive debt that the RIAA and Racord companies force upon the artists. Very very few signed artist make it out of the debt hole.

      Indie artists are doing great with CD's and as long as there is a CD player in every new car sold they will be very popular, wanted and purchased. It's simply that the overpaid, overpriced, medicore junk that is marketed by the big companies is not selling for some reason. I wonder why that is?

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  2. Nope by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Not everyone is interested in "investing" 200 plus in an iPod.

    Not everyone who listens to music even owns a computer!

    Many people, while not Luddites, are not as tied to technology as many Slashdottes and 20-somethings.

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  3. Sure, bars, music festivals, ren fests, etc by Isaac-1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know this is not what the author was talking about, but there is plenty of life left in the lowly music CD in the form of short production sales. You know the types where the band sells them after performing for $10-15. Also as production costs drop, on burning speeds increase there may well be a market for all sorts of other on demand CD writing. The music store is the thing that is in danger, not the CD.

  4. And what about games? by xzanthar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is probably a more reasonable question to apply to games, especially online games. With digital distribution of games like through Steam, the need for physical media becomes obsolete. Steam has a good way of dealing with those who don't want to be online all the time as well, you just have it remember you, and you can still play a game that has been activated. But it also is becoming more and more the case for music as well. But of corse there are those who still want physical property to lie around and take up space, and to wear out in their cd players. The counterpoint to that being that could burn their digital music to cd anyway.

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  5. Why CDs are necessary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    CDs are necessary because they offer a constant, nondegrading which is free from the compatibility and format hassles of digital distribution and which you can be fairly guaranteed will work on simple, easily acquirable, and arbitrary hardware into the reasonable future.

    Of course, the people actually selling CDs are no longer offering this, now that they load up their CDs with "copy protection" technologies which circumvent security measures, often mimic viruses, and in some cases fill the error-checking bits with garbage, thus hastening degradation of the CD-- and which the consumer is giving no warning that these technologies are present.

    Which is why I don't buy CDs anymore.

  6. Yes, But. by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Insightful
    > Is the Physical CD Still A Viable Market?

    Yes, but.

    ...but only because it's the only way you can legally acquire a lossless, DRM-free set of bits to encode into the MP3, OGG, or AAC for the device of your choosing.

    (Note that you can legally acquire a lossless DRM-free set of bits. Whether or not it's legal to rip those DRM-free bits, on account of your computer not automatically running the DRM/Spyware/Rootkit shipped with the CD, or on account of it not being able to run the DRM/Spyware/Rootkit shipped with the CD, has yet to be determined by the courts. But acquiring the DRM-free bits is legal.)

    The most interesting case of the upcoming decade will be whether the DMCA's anti-circumvention rules apply to a DRM-laden CD - ripped to MP3 on a machine that didn't support Windows Autoplay, from a drive and/or OS that presents both the .wav "files" and the data track with the autoplaying rootkit as separate sets of files, without any intervention from the user.

  7. Re:What I'd like to see... by pandrijeczko · · Score: 4, Insightful
    With the advent of HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, you should be able go out and buy a "boxed set" of the complete recordings of The Beatles, complete with album art, videos, extras, and features, all on one disk.

    It's a nice idea but it will never happen due to two things - customer perceptions & record company greed.

    Think about it - let's say you suddenly decide you like The Beatles and start collecting their recordings. You'll probably end up collecting, say, 20+ albums by them - that's $200/£200/200 the record company gets out of you in total. If you buy the albums on CD, you don't notice you're spending that money because you buy, say, 1 CD a week as you can afford them. And when you have them all, you can look at the nice row of 20 Beatles albums on your bookshelf and feel that the money you spent was worth it because you have a nice big fat row of CDs in front of you.

    But there's no way you're going to spend $200/£200/200 on a single Blu-Ray disc. It's a psychological thing - you pick up the case in the shop and it doesn't *feel* like it's worth $200; so you don't buy it.

    Look at DVD - in theory, we should be all playing audio DVDs now because for the same size of disc, you get anything up to 10x the data storage on a DVD than a CD. But if record companies released audio DVDs that were just straight conversions of existing CD albums (without, say, 5.1 enhancements to the music) everyone would feel cheated because they'd know you could get so much more on each DVD disc - so they wouldn't buy them.

    I'm pretty much the same with my Gameboy Advance, Gamecube and PC games. I've bought very few GBA games because when I look at the size of the box (which is oversized anyway for the size of cartridge inside), it doesn't *feel* like it's worth $50/£35/50. I'm more likely to spend the same money on a Gamecube or PC game because psychologically I feel like I'm getting more for my money.

    From a storage & technical perspective, it would be great to cram my racks of CDs into a space about 1/100th of the size but from selling actual products, this is as much about selling products as it is about technological advancement.

    DVD is the classic example. I now own no VHS videos because I've replaced everything now with DVD. I've therefore bought a lot of movies at least twice in my lifetime (perhaps even more times when I've bought the standard edition DVD, then The Directors' Cut later on). One issue that's convinced me to do that are all the "extras" I get like commentaries, documentaries, deleted scenes, etc. yet, in reality, I probably watch all of those on about 1/4 of the DVDs I actually buy.

    Yes, I admit it. I've fallen for the marketing of DVD hook, line and sinker...

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  8. Apples and oranges... by ktakki · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This problem would be resolved if they weren't charging the same price for a CD as a DVD Video.


    What does the price of one have to do with the price of the other? Aside from the fact that this is digital information on a shiny plastic disk, there's no comparison. But, hey, I'll compare the two anyway.

    A movie released on a DVD has usually made back its production costs at the box office (and then some). DVD/VHS sales and rentals are a secondary source of revenue for the studio.

    A music CD's sales revenues are the main event for the artist and the label (and no, very few bands make money off of touring and merchandising...very, very few).

    Okay, that's the supply side of things. How about the demand side?

    I own some of my favorite movies on DVD. I own a lot of music CDs, too. I will maybe watch a DVD about five or six times before I get sort of tired of it and lend it to a friend or just stop watching it. Maybe I'll grab it off the shelf to play for a friend that hasn't seen it (and see it through their eyes, which freshens the experience).

    By contrast, I can't count the number of times I've played my favorite CDs. I listen at home, in the car, at work. If I had a nickel for every time I listened to Television's Marquee Moon or Nirvana's Nevermind, I'd be rich enough to throw Steve Ballmer off of the Space Needle and get off on a technicality. $15 spent on a CD is a greater value to me than the same $15 spent on a DVD. Amortize that $15 against the amount of enjoyment you get from that creative work.

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