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In2TV Goes Public

An anonymous reader writes "It looks like AOL has finally released In2TV, allowing us to watch some of our favorite shows on the internet. It looks fairly promising." In2TV has managed to bag four major advertisers right from the start but if you want to watch on anything but a WindowsXP machine you may be out of luck.

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  1. Not just Linux and Mac with problems... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 4, Informative


    In2TV is also out of bounds to other alternative browser users inside XP.
    Unless you use Internet explorer 6.0 and Media Player 10 you can't watch the big streams.

    This obviously rules out Firefox users, so no Babylon 5 for me :(

    You can't even use it on XP 64.

    Damn good though, and so far the only thing that has tempted me to install WMP 10...
    Hell, I might even use IE for it as well.

    tip for Windows users who have removed their IE icon, open "My Computer" and directly enter the URL into the address bar - it converts from Explorer to Internet explorer automagically...

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    1. Re:Not just Linux and Mac with problems... by bherman · · Score: 3, Informative
      This obviously rules out Firefox users, so no Babylon 5 for me :(

      When you go to the site with firefox (after you choose a show). It prompts you to install the Mozilla Firefox ActiveX plugin you might be saved.
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    2. Re:Not just Linux and Mac with problems... by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 3, Informative

      Follow up...

      I sold out.
      I installed WMP 10.0
      I used Internet Explorer 6.0.

      I still can't play this fucking thing (during the licensing for the stream it says "We apologize, this content must be played in the AOL Video Player. Please goto aol.com/video."

      Teething trouble, or over complexified DRM?

      It looks like a good time to hit the p2p.
      I wanna see B5 now damnit, how far off streaming torrents are we?

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    3. Re:Not just Linux and Mac with problems... by csnydermvpsoft · · Score: 4, Informative
      From http://television.aol.com/in2tv/requirements :

      Core System Requirements
      • Operating System: Windows® XP, 32 bit or 64 bit
      • Media Player: Windows® Media Player version 10.0 get it HERE!
      • Web Browser: Internet Explorer 6.0+, Netscape® 7.2 and 8.0+, Firefox® 1.0.7+
      • An Internet connection
      • Macromedia® Flash Player 8. Get it HERE!
      • In2TV video is only licensed for viewing in the United States.

    4. Re:Not just Linux and Mac with problems... by loconet · · Score: 2, Informative

      Add IE7 to the list. Even thought it doesn't complain about my version of IE, the movies wont play, I get script errors, etc. This service is turning out to be extremly flaky.

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    5. Re:Not just Linux and Mac with problems... by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The complicated Windows-only DRM'ed scheme surely costs more than just producing a stock mpeg, avi, or christ even a flash file. And the latter is inherently cross-platform.

  2. Help! by Guano_Jim · · Score: 3, Funny

    Somebody please get Steve Jobs on the horn and tell him to get the Sopranos on iTunes.

    Please.

    1. Re:Help! by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 2, Funny

      Given that AOL Time Warner owns The Sopranos, I'd have to say fuggeddaboudit.

  3. Pointless by scragz · · Score: 4, Funny

    AOL and Warner Bros. have launched In2TV, the first broadband television network, . . .

    I thought BotTorrent was the first broadband television network?

    1. Re:Pointless by mordors9 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ssshhhh, that one is a secret that no one knows about.

  4. Watch favorite shows on the internet? by poptones · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who has the bandwidth to watch crappy, jerky streams?

    Until they fill that worldwide "analog hole" there's no way this stuff is really going to compete. Even if the US succumbs to pervasive DRM, are they going to stop marketing shows internationally? It seems most of the torrents come from abroad anyway. I once downloaded a "West Wing" episode before it had even appeared on TV in my east coast market.

    Thanks to the indie film makers there's already better stuff freely available on the internet than on most of those 500 TV channels, anyway.

    1. Re:Watch favorite shows on the internet? by poptones · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Most people have DSL or Cable Modems, and they can get a good resolution video without the stream stopping to rebuffer.

      Umm.. not exactly. A majority have access to broadband, but a third of the US still doesn't. And even among those who have broadband access, in most places reasonable broadband speeds are still so expensive most households don't have it. If you're on cable it's a boon, but a good portion of that tiny majority has access only via dsl. While BASIC dsl prices are not too bad (30 bucks around here) it's only 128kbs on oversold channels - streaming performance on such a connection is not exactly worthwhile. This is readily proven by surveys and statistical analysis that reveal less than 25% of all those internet users, broadband or no, actually use streaming services on a regular basis. And an equal percentage of that remainder say they rarely use it or have no plans at all to use it. My own experience with dsl was like this - my 80 buck a month 1.5mbit connection was peachy keen when I was one of the first in my neighborhood to bite that bullet, but within six months pacbell had so oversold their lines I couldn't even stream a 100kbps video without stuttering and interruptions - sometimes, they wouldn't even connect at all.

      Maybe some shows are slightly less res than television because the provider wants to make money twice.

      I really don't have a problem with this. In fact, that's kind of the point I was making: if I really want to watch Bsg an I don't have scifi channel I can just download it via torrents. The quality of this download, even the lower rez 180MB versions, is still going to be better than any "stream" I have ever seen. And if I really, really want to enjoy it in DVD rez then they still get the sale because it costs me nearly as much in time and bandwidth as it costs just to go to amazon and buy the damn things.

      Would you pay five times for the same book?

      I've bought the same book many times. I buy the book to have it when I want it, then end up giving it to a friend because I want them to have that ability as well. Then I end up buying it again. So? A paperback costs about an hour's pay even if you're on minimum wage.

      I've also bought at least three copies of Sgt. Pepper's in my life. Two copies of the "red" album compilation, and probably two or three copies of pretty much every Alice Copper album (or cd0 printed before 1985.

      There's also a lot of good stuff I don't have on cd because it still isn't offered. But that's a bit beside the point.

      Then why pay five times for a film?

      When I was a kid I saw Star Wars at least five times. By best friend saw it six times in a single month! We paid every single time because you could only see it at the theater.

      It's easy to forget, when stuff is "free," how it used to be. I'm not defending the machine that cranks out an endless stream of bad action movies, but many of the points raised are really nothing new - what's new is our increasing ability to not have to pay every single time we want to see a popular hollywood movie (and more impoirtantly, to see it whenever the hell we want instead of waiting for it to "come around" again), and not have to replace records that have been damaged by dust or heat or cheap k-mart turntables that grind away the vinyl a little more each time we listen to a recording.

      The best possible scenereo for end users is one large MPEG file in high res. MPEG can play on any machine, it does not buffer, it plays fast and well. Most people with DSL and Cable Modems can handle a 1.5 gig file no problem, and that should be good resolution for an hour long show.

      Absolutely. I even do this on dialup with "small" files (Until they fill that worldwide "analog hole" there's no way this stuff is really going to compete.

      This is going to sound so politically uncorrect. Who cars about the world? They care about the USA, Canada, UK, France, German

  5. Re:reasons for missing mac/linux support? by temojen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's because of the DRM. If you go to in2tv.aol.com and try to watch a show they explicitly tell you that, before you see the link to the .avi (will verify with wget when I get home).

  6. Excerpt of the listings by JUSTONEMORELATTE · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sounds like a bunch of dusty re-runs from decades past. From TFA:

    The shows are organized into six genre-themed channels (with two more to launch this summer), including:

    - LOL TV: Laugh Out Loud with everyone's favorite comedies from Welcome Back, Kotter, which made a household name out of John Travolta to the slapstick antics of Cousin Balkai and Larry in Perfect Strangers as well as the Emmy-winning Chico and the Man, Hangin' With Mr. Cooper and Head of the Class.

    - Dramarama TV: Fans will enjoy the unaired "lost" pilot of juicy soap Falcon Crest and all the drama of five-time Emmy nominated Sisters, plus there's Scarecrow and Mrs. King, Spenser: For Hire and the family favorite Eight Is Enough.

    - Toon Topia TV: Kids and adults alike will flock to animated fare such as Beetlejuice, Steven Spielberg Presents Pinky and the Brain and Freakazoid, The New Adventures of Batman, and Histeria!

    - Heroes and Horrors TV: Sci-Fi and Horror come together in heroic proportions with Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman, Babylon 5, Wonder Woman, V and Freddy's Nightmares.

    - What a Rush TV: Rev up for plenty of action-adventure when East meets West in Kung Fu, plus La Femme Nikita, The Adventures of Brisco County, Jr., Dark Justice and The Fugitive.

    - Vintage TV: Fans find all-time favorites such as Growing Pains with heartthrob Kirk Cameron, F-Troop, The F.B.I., Maverick and Alice.

  7. Re:Upgrade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I know you are in denial... but one of these days you're gonna have to rid yourself of Windows 95. There are bigger and better things - like WindowsME.

  8. Seems to work as advertised by rufo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I just fired up episodes of Pinky and the Brain and Babylon 5 and they both seemed to go fine (besides me having to switch to my Windows box and fire up IE - if you want to use Firefox on Windows (no Mac/Linux) you have to install an ActiveX plugin, which scares the living bejeezus out of me). It looks like you're watching a 30-second ad before the video; I didn't watch long enough to find out if they're inserting advertising in the middle of shows as well. The quality is actually quite good; at least VHS quality, and you can click a button to make it full screen. Some shows are advertised as having a higher quality version available, but you have to install their client that downloads in the background; it appears to use Kontiki, which I'm reluctant to install (I already have enough upstream being used between Vonage and Bittorrent without another content delivery system gumming up the works). Lastly, they seem to have a limited selection of episodes up - I'm not sure if they're planning on making all epsiodes available on demand or if they're going to rotate through episodes and only have a limited selection available.

    Overall it's not going to win any awards for design - but it works, and for free I suppose I can't complain too much.

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  9. WinXP by wiredlogic · · Score: 2, Funny

    if you want to watch on anything but a WindowsXP machine

    Damn. I was just about to fire up AOL on my Apple ][.

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  10. Looks like Firefox/Mac might be supported someday by electrichamster · · Score: 2, Informative
    I've just been digging through the code and came across this in the variable declaration section of the player Javascript. (I snipped all the uninteresting lines in the middle)
    GECKO_AX_PLUGIN_REQUIRED_US = "We're sorry, this feature requires the Mozilla ActiveX Plugin. <a href=\"javascript:installAxControl();\">Click here</a> to install."
    GECKO_AX_PLUGIN_REQUIRED_NOLINK_US = "We're sorry, this feature requires the Mozilla ActiveX Plugin."
    GECKO_AX_PLUGIN_INSTALLED_US = "Firefox Windows Media ActiveX Control install succeeded. Please restart your browser to continue."
    GECKO_AX_PLUGIN_FAILED_US = "Firefox Windows Media ActiveX Control install failed."
    FEATURE_NOT_AVAILABLE_MAC_MSG_US = "We're sorry, this feature is not yet available for Macintosh."
    FEATURE_NOT_AVAILABLE_MAC_IE_MSG_US = "We're sorry, this feature requires Safari or Netscape 7.2 and up."
    UPGRADE_AOL_MSG_US = "Please upgrade AOL to experience this feature. <a target=_top href=\"http://www.aol.com/aol_downloads.adp\">Clic k here to upgrade.</a>"
    WM_UPGRADE_MSG_US = "You're almost there... <a href=\"http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmed ia/download/AllDownloads.aspx\" target=\"_blank\">Click here to upgrade</a> your Windows Media Player to experience this great content."
    WEB_BROWSER_UPGRADE_MSG_US = "Please use Netscape 7.2+, IE 5.5+, or Firefox 1.0.4+ to experience this feature."
    NETSCAPE_UNSUPPORTED_MSG_US = "Please upgrade to Netscape 7.2+, or use IE 5.5+, Firefox 1.0.4+ to experience this feature. <a target=_top href=\"http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/do wnload.jsp\">Click here to upgrade Netscape.</a>"
    FIREFOX_UNSUPPORTED_MSG_US = "We're sorry, this feature requires <strong>Firefox 1.0.4+</strong>. <br><br>Please download the latest version of Firefox at <a href=\"http://www.getfirefox.com\">www.getfirefox. com</a> or use <strong>IE 5.5+</strong> or <strong>Netscape 7.2+</strong>."
    FIREFOX_BETA_UNSUPPORTED_MSG_US = "We're sorry, the player has encountered problems initializing. Please restart your computer and try again, if you continue to get this message try a previous version of Firefox located <a href=\"http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/fire fox/releases/\" target=\"_top\">here</a>."

    It's probably just old recycled code, we can but hope....God I love "Pinky & The Brain"...
  11. AOL stores the high quality files locally! by Controlio · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How thoughtful.

    If you look into the service, you can stream the videos for free with nothing but an ActiveX plugin and Macromedia Flash. However, if you want "HighQ" video (what they claim is "DVD Quality"), you have to install a piece of software.

    It's basically a BitTorrent ripoff. It's a peer-to-peer upload-as-you-download service. But since the files are stored locally and not streamed, I started poking around. Lo and behold, I found the hiding place for the WMV files!

    Download a file with the service, then navigate to:

    c:\Documents and Settings\~user\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\*random hash*\filename.wmv

    Note: You may have to do this at the command prompt, as any attemps I made to get into the "Content.IE5" folder through the GUI were futile. But take a look around, and you'll find all of the WMV files the program uses. Copy them to another directory, and there you have your DRM'd file. The first one I tried was named "PerfectStrangers_Barcode_151772C_1500.wmv~". It plays fine in the standalone WMP10, but not in BSPlayer or MPC. GSpot also doesn't recognize the file.

    So there's the source file. Gentlemen, start your cracking!