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Gnome 2.14 Released

joe_bruin writes "Beware the Ides of March... the Gnome people have announced the release of Gnome 2.14, right on time to meet their 6 month release schedule. See what's new in this release, as well as the release notes. New features include many more searching options, fast user switching, and speed increases to all the apps you know and love." From the release notes: "Just as you would tune your car, our skilled engineers have strived to tune many parts of GNOME to be as fast as possible. Several important components of the GNOME desktop are now measurably faster, including text rendering, memory allocation, and numerous individual applications. Faster font rendering and memory allocation benefit all GNOME and GTK+ based applications without the need for recompilation. Some applications have received special attention to make sure they are performing at their peak."

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  1. yeah but by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, but can I run it under Cygwin on XP on an Intel iMac?

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  2. Beware ... by Random+BedHead+Ed · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dude, the Ides of March is, like, so yesterday.

  3. Memory Improvements by ramrom · · Score: 4, Informative

    The new Dapper Drake with Gnome 2.4 use 179 MB of RAM (Less than default Win XP) for the default system, which is way better than the previous versions and all the applications seem more responsive too.

    1. Re:Memory Improvements by _xeno_ · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The new Dapper Drake with Gnome 2.4 use 179 MB of RAM (Less than default Win XP) for the default system

      What? A default Windows XP install uses about 70MB doing nothing. You can easily run Windows XP on a machine with 128MB RAM total - it's just that you're essentially limited to one application before swapping. (And, generally speaking, only one "document" in that application at that...)

      The problem is that most Windows programs are giant memory hogs, so when you start installing non-default software (especially things like Office that like to preload) you start pushing the memory usage up and up and up...

      I'm loving my Debian Linux install at work if for no reason other than I don't have to run the corporate-required Norton Anti-Virus on it. Things are so much faster without Norton. A basic Windows XP install isn't terribly resource-hungry - it's just that the standard bundle of software that comes with most Windows XP computers, simply put, sucks.

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  4. Easiest way to check it out.... by tpgp · · Score: 3, Informative

    Is to grab an Ubuntu Dapper preview live CD (and best of all, it's not an install CD, so ubuntu won't email your cleartext password to world + dog [joke])

    It's pretty nice! I've been using the pre-releases for a while....

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  5. 2.16 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I really don't understand why people are so obsessed with a 3.0 release.

    As many gnome devs have argued, changing to 3.0 and breaking compatability would only make sense if there are things that can't be done within the current code base.
    Frankly, I have yet to see a reason why breaking compatability would be needed.

    Oh, and from using gnome2.14 on dapper I'll have to say that this is a great release. Very polished and some exciting new things, like deskbar with beagle integration. Combine that with the new XGL and AIGLX eye-candy and you really have a winner. ;-D

  6. Gnome 2.14 by rcmiv · · Score: 5, Informative

    A good overview:
    http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-14/

    If you're running ubuntu dapper, it updated to 2.14 wednesday. It isn't really immediately distinguishable from the previous version but then, if you are also running xgl/compiz, who the hell cares?

    http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?id=916

    -rcmiv

    HA! HA! I have the cube!

  7. GLib == good by tcopeland · · Score: 5, Informative

    Gnome's got a great library in GLib. I wrote a tutorial for IBM last year on the GLib collections; there are so many useful utilities and data structures in there. If you're writing a C app on Linux it's definitely worth a look, and if you're already using the GLib collections, take a look at that tutorial to see if you can optimize anything, like using g_list_prepend vs g_list_append.

    And if it helps you, please buy my completely unrelated book!

    1. Re:GLib == good by G-Licious! · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Okay, you're not making alot of sense here..

      Please, don't. I'm sure Glib is a great library with lots of useful utitlities in it, but I wish people would stop using it as anything other than a GNOME library. Glib might seem like a great idea if you're developing for Linux, but if at a later date I want to build your code on a platform that isn't supported, Glib is yet another unusual dependency I have to satisfy, and it adds ~3MB of additional code when it gets linked (statically!) to the application, which might only be a couple of hundred K itself.

      From what I've gathered, one of the main ideas behind GLib was to be very portable. But okay, let's say the other platforms become a problem, then...

      The worst Glib offence is the duplipcation of existing standards E.g. the g_int types (Use C99 types!), GThread (Use PThreads!) or even GObject (Use C++ or ObjC!) Really; if the stuff in Glib were really that useful, it'd be part of the C library or SuS.

      ...how would using OS or C Library specific APIs make GLib any more portable at all? Those APIs are probably the least consistent across platforms, especially in C.

      Also, the whole C++ argument has been brought up several times, I'm sure. I think one of the reasons was to make integration with other, higher level languages easier, but there's probably more.

  8. Main point of this release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    It looks like the biggest achievement in this release is their speed up of memory allocations. Looking at their charts, it appear that they have even outpace straight mallocs.

    That should make things much snappier.

    1. Re:Main point of this release by Gopal.V · · Score: 4, Informative
      Malloc() is written for generic memory allocation for all programs with no bias towards larger sizes (or smaller) or allowing fragmentation rates which in the past would've been a kill-all for most applications.


      Given a particular usage pattern, for example majority allocation of blocks > 512 bytes with a higher fragmentation ratio than would be acceptable in a server, you could technically outpace the malloc which would waste more time to find a best fit versus an algorithm that just finds you 512 byte blocks when you needed 4 bytes of memory.


      Assumptions simplify algorithms, so is it a surprise ?
  9. Canadian English is now supported, eh ;) by norskeld · · Score: 5, Funny
    Just look at the bottom of this http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/en/rni18.htm l page:
    ...Also noteworthy are that British and Canadian English are supported.
    It must have been a really hard work to add trailing ",eh"...
    1. Re:Canadian English is now supported, eh ;) by twoshortplanks · · Score: 4, Funny

      Colour me surprised at the quality of this joke.

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  10. "I Like Your Old Stuff Better Than Your New Stuff" by Simon+(S2) · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You have to read this as well.

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  11. Re:Eye Candy by tpgp · · Score: 5, Informative

    So, does eye candy get any closer to Mac OS looks?

    No.

    1) You're thinking of the new gl effects in xorg x clients. This is a desktop environment release.

    2) Gnome is not attempting to copy os x, but create a new desktop environment. So your metric (closer to Mac OS) is a false one.

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  12. de/up/grade by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm glad they fixed some text rendering. Because after the last upgrade, my Ubuntu 5.10 renders text illegibly (some weird garbage font that does display properly after being selected with the cursor) in some apps, including Firefox and Evolution (but not Mozilla). I never even got a response to my discussions in the GNOME bug forums.

    I'm hoping a reinstall of Ubuntu's next release, now delayed, will return the lost quality of the previous version with the promised speed of the next version.

    And I'm hoping that biannual OS reinstalls aren't the price of a feature-complete OS, as Microsoft would have me believe.

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    1. Re:de/up/grade by AeroIllini · · Score: 3, Informative

      And I'm hoping that biannual OS reinstalls aren't the price of a feature-complete OS, as Microsoft would have me believe.

      From the Ubuntu website:

      "The installer may not be GUI, but you only ever need to use it once, because we support ongoing upgrades via the network, from version to version. You never need to reinstall the operating system, just upgrade from each released version to the next when you want to."

      At the most you should only have to reboot biannually... to use the new kernel that comes with each new Ubuntu release.

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  13. Faster, slicker by fak3r · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I always had one foot (*pun intended*) in Gnome and one in E17/Openbox/Xfce4 - but recently I've installed Ubuntu Dapper, and then Compwiz/XGL - holy cow! Yes, you need good graphics card, but my nVidia 6600GT is up to the task. The desktop is now totally snappy - even things like Firefox seem faster - feels like the graphics really fly on the screen now. As promised everything is faster, especially the startup of the main desktop. Apps are quicker, and even the menus just pop up (no annoying delay waiting for the icons to catch up on the menus). Oh and all of a sudden Gnome-terminal is just about as fast to launch and respond as Xterm! Woo-hoo! Considering that's what I use the most, this is a welcome improvement.

    After reading the review from yesterday I tried out Epipany, and it's come a long way. There are only a couple of more config options I need, but if I get those I'll start running that in place of Firefox. For all of it's percieved 'heavy-ness' it feels nice and snappy now, and I think I'll be sticking more with Gnome for quite some time. Nice job.

  14. What's new for users? by jejones · · Score: 4, Interesting

    GNOME now features an integrated screensaver. GNOME Screensaver is compatible with the "hacks" popular in Xscreensaver, but also has lots of new features unavailable in Xscreensaver, like being essentially unconfigurable by the user, who can't be trusted not to put rude messages in GLtext.

    Figure 16. Configuring the few GNOME Screensaver properties we deign to let the user control

  15. Re:Ready? by Mjlner · · Score: 4, Funny
    "Gnome vs KDE flamewar starting in... 5...4...3...2...1...GO!!!"

    That's "5...4...3...2...1...KO!!!", which you would've known if you'd stop worshipping the HIG for a while and start listening to the users!

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  16. Re:defaults... by InfiniteWisdom · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does it still have the menu on top and taskbar on the bottom?
    Takes up too much screen real estate.

    You wouldn't have ever right clicked on the panel and seen an items marked "New Panel" and "Delete this panel", would you? You can have as few (say, zero) or as many panels as you like, drag them to any edge you like, stack more than one on any edge too if you like.

    I personally like to take advantage of my large 800x600 monitors and have panels stacked five deep on every edge of my two monitors, so I can have one widget per panel. BTW has anyone else noticed how unusable slashdot is when the browser window is 300x200? You'd think they'd be more careful to test it on typical configurations like mine.

  17. Button order... by bstocker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Please do not take me wrong, I like GNOME very much and i see it as a superior Desktop for UNIX Systems and the most important competitor to KDE.

    The problem I have is the button order on dialogboxes, which can - AFAIK - not be changed. GNOME adopts the same schema used by Apple. It is based on a study which says that the readers eye starts searching for a information on the lower right corner of the screen (I did not read the study, so my description may not be accurate). As a result, a typical button order looks like this:

    (Cancel) (Save)

    On KDE, Windows and many other Desktops, a "most important first" scheme is used. The promoters of this scheme state, that people (in the western world) read from left to right and expect the most important information to come first. therefore, the order looks like:

    (Save) (Cancel)

    In principle, the button order is not a problem, if all of the applications use the same schema. For example, if You use a Mac, you may expect consistent order. And there is no "right" or "wrong" order, there are just different philosophies.

    The only problem I see is the consistency. If you are a GNOME user and also use KDE Apps (or vice versa), you may find the different order disturbing. Of course, if You use Firefox and Kate every day, you can get over this. As for me, I work with a swiss/german keyboard in the office and with a US-keyboard at home. After having problems in the first days, I now switch intuitively between the keyboard schemas.

    But anyway, it would be nice to see GNOME and KDE apps adopt the sema Interface guidelines or let the user choose which one he likes.

  18. Re:"I Like Your Old Stuff Better Than Your New Stu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Tha journal entry contains some excellent points that are well made.

    But I am in a childish mood so must point out that you seem to be missing the entire raison d'etre of the GNOME desktop.

    That is that a user should be able to control their entire computer simply by allowing a large drop of drool to fall from their mouth onto a special pressure sensitive pad. By allowing drool to fall from the left side of their mouth they will have "left drooled" on the selected object. Similarly by allowing drool to fall from the right side of their mouth they will have "right drooled" on the selected object

    This will provide all the feature they need to work with the single file held in their home directory (further subdirectories and fiels having been banned as it "breaks the spatial paradigm" and "causes the user confusion")

    Can you tell I'm not a fan?

  19. Re:2.14? by tetromino · · Score: 3, Informative

    Most of the 2.14 packages are already in the official portage tree (and, at the moment, hardmasked). According to posts by gentoo devs in the forums, gnome-2.14 will be in ~arch by the end of the week.

    And if you can't wait for two days and don't mind a few bugs, you could emerge 2.13.92 from the breakmygentoo overlay...

  20. Re:Eye Candy ..like KDE? by vdboor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What I noticed is GNOME 2.14 took a lot of features that are already in KDE, or got into one of the recent releases of KDE:

    * the search bars in all applications, like Thunderbird also has.
    * viewing man/info pages from the GUI.
    * magnetic window borders.
    * fast user switching menu.
    * switch users from a locked session.
    * editor with sftp/ftp/webdav support.
    * editor plugins, for running "make" etc..
    * preferred application defaults
    * sound preferences.
    * user lock-down editor for administrators
    * terminal speed.. Konsole already knows how to speed up output like "ls -lR". Konsole with a transparent background beats a plain blank xterm.

    So much for screaming how KDE suffers from the "not invented here" syndrome.. :-p

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  21. Re:So how many options were cut? by ender- · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have actually had a few discussions with the devs on IRC about it and the option philosophy is pretty dang ridiculous.
    Supposedly many options will confuse the user. Come on. These users are using Linux. They probably know what they are doing. And even to a newbie, an option on window behavior will not do any harm. Yes, the whole 'linux-on-the-desktop' camp will tell you that simplifying programs is a good thing, but radically cutting out options is not the way to do this.


    I wonder if a good solution to this would be to have a global 'advanced user' flag which if set would allow the user to access the more advanced options. When not set [the default of course], it would only provide the super-simple, no-options-for-the-newbie preferences. They can even make this option accessible only to the command line to help prevent the newbies from accidentally activating the advanced settings.

    Is this a reasonable compromise or will I just upset the Human Interface gods with such heresy?

  22. KDE Fanboy misrepresents facts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Bullshit! The DRM plug-in is just that - a plug-in. GStreamer does not contain DRM in itself, you have to install the package to get it. It only gives you the ability to access DRMed files. If you have DRMed music, then install that plugin and listen to the songs you bought. If, like me, you avoid DRM crippled music, dont install the plug-in. Result - a DRM free GStreamer.

    The "KDE, on the other hand, cures all diseases, ends war and farts kittens" speech is just the same tired fanboi ranting. KPDF has an option to enable reading DRMed files but I dont hear anyone complaining about that. Facts suck, dont they?

  23. Re:DRM to be used in GNOME's multimedia backend by jusdisgi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Your assertion that gstreamer is evil because it allows others to make linking proprietary software is zealous anti-user crap. You say the GPL nature of KPDF allows the user to remove the DRM and "be left with a fully-functional PDF viewer." But you miss something obvious to anyone who actually has to use the software: the PDF viewer is no longer "fully functional" when it can't read the DRMed file somebody sent you.

    It's great to want everything to be free. But here in the real world, real users want to be able to work with everyone else, and some of those folks aren't willing to open up. Your response is to stoically ignore them and purposefully keep users from being able to properly interact with them. The Gnome team's response has been to do what they can to enable their users to work with the outside world.

    You're never going to have a legal and free-as-in-speech mp3 plugin. You and the OSS-religious-crazies would thus force us to break the law or not use mp3s. That strikes me as downright ridiculous.

    Oh, and about the FSF warning against the LGPL. Isn't Gnome part of the GNU project, and thus FSF-sponsored?

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