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DoJ Following Porn Blocker Advances?

GreedyCapitalist writes "A new filter called iShield is able to recognize porn images based on the content of the image (other filters look at URLs and text) and according to PC Magazine, it is very effective. The next generation will probably be even better -- which highlights the retarding effect regulation has on technological progress - if we relied solely on government to ban 'inappropriate' content from the web, we'd never know what solutions the market might come up with. Will the DOJ (which argues that porn filters don't work) take note of filtering innovation or continue its quest for censorship?"

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  1. Reversal by orangeguru · · Score: 4, Funny

    Since it is so good identifing pr0n I can't wait to get my first pornbot with that function to find me some more.

    1. Re:Reversal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you're having trouble finding porn on the Internet you're doing something wrong...

  2. What Is The Story here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I see nothing in this article that the DOJ is about to do anything. This is just a review of a a product that can block some images that would be useful for some families.

    I don't understand why this summary has to bring the government into this or speculate that they might do something. There's no evidence of impending censorship, no political issues at work here. It's just a review of a product. Why does Zonk continually try to troll politics on slashdot? He's turning into worse than Michael ever did.

    1. Re:What Is The Story here? by hcdejong · · Score: 5, Insightful

      there are several problems with a .xxx domain:
      - you'd have to get every country in the world to go along with this
      - how would you decide if a site needs a .xxx domain? There are lots of edge cases. Would collegehumor.com qualify?
      - you'd have to create an 'internet police' to enforce compliance

    2. Re:What Is The Story here? by Alex+P+Keaton+in+da · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hmmm- I agree with you, but I also think an online/real world comparison is in order. There are many sex shops- they are usually near the airport in my state anyway (Ohio). These are adult destinations, don't hide what they are, and are easy to identify. Unless you are looking for erotica, there is no reason to enter one of these places. These would be the .xxx
      But then there are the gas stations that sell porn mags behind the counter. These places have porn, yes, but someone who has an aversion to erotica may have a compelling reason to enter the gas station, even though it contains porn. Would these places be .xxx?(Actually, my local Borders also has fairly hard core, non airbrushed, OBGYN type view, porn behind the counter)
      Then there is the library. I can find pictures of bare breasts, and vaginas, and butts etc. There may not be any hardcore pics (unless you count the sex advice picture books), but you can see nudity. You have to seek out the porn (both literally, because it isn't in the main room, and figuratively, because you have to decide that a photography book is beat off material). What happens when the "libraries of the internet" get slapped with .xxx? Could this happen?

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    3. Re:What Is The Story here? by Zenaku · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Every time I read about the possible .xxx domain, it seems like everyone is asking how it would be enforced, and that seems to my like a non-issue. Who says it has to be enforced? Let it be voluntary! The sites that choose to use it get plenty of benfits for doing so -- they are shielded from harrassment and lawsuits about the "obscenity" standards in various locations, they can reach more of their target audience because search engines that target exclusively that domain will likely form to capitalize on it, and so on.

      It's not like they would have a lot to gain by remaining in .com (or other TLDs). It's not like they desperately want to reach underage kids at the library, pimply teenage boys searching for the free preview pages -- there's no money in them.

      Even if only half of the porn sites on the net opt into the .xxx domain, schools and parents can now filter out half of the stuff flawlessly. It doesn't have to be all or nothing.

      So, please, enough about "who is going to enforce it?" The only real question is whether xxx should exist as a TLD at all, and I can't think of any good reason why it shouldn't.

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    4. Re:What Is The Story here? by hcdejong · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is one reason why sites wouldn't want to be restricted to a .xxx domain: to get around filtering software.

  3. Screaming so loud we can't hear you anymore by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There is no mention of the DOJ anywhere in the articles you posted.

    But according to the article, it works well and doesn't filter out health-related websites. It also doesn't work for black and white images, but the majority of online porn isn't b&w. Or so I've heard.

  4. hmm by DrSkwid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So does it filter out Rubens

    Would Michelangelo's David be filtered out

    How about anatomy/autopsy pictures ?

    I would RTFA but it is 404, perhaps my ISP filters out stories about filtering.

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    1. Re:hmm by Jugalator · · Score: 4, Informative
      So does it filter out Rubens
      Would Michelangelo's David be filtered out
      How about anatomy/autopsy pictures ?


      This excerpt answers these pretty well:
      A Google Images search on "breast self-examination" was correctly allowed. On a page dedicated to the artistic nudes of Alberto Vargas, it inexplicably decided to tile the text-only links menu with hundreds of tiny shield images; Guardware confirmed this is a bug.

      So it's business as usual. If PC Mag's quick checks revealed innocent sites being blocked, I hope this never sees the light as anything with a mandatory use anywhere. I think missing to spread information is worse than actually even showing human intercourse. Yes, even if there's a vagina there. I hope the kids aren't traumatized for life if they'd stumble over such things and the dirtiness of our anatomy.

      Oh, also watch out for the new Pumpk1n Pr0n:
      And we found that some oddly innocent imagesin particular, "head shots" of pumpkins from last Halloweenwere blocked.

      The article says IE would crash more with this tool in use too, but I'm not sure anyone would notice the difference from before and after. ;-)

      I would RTFA but it is 404, perhaps my ISP filters out stories about filtering.

      Just use the Mirrordot version.
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    2. Re:hmm by geoff+lane · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm stunned that a bit of software can both read and understand the law and interpret it exactly as a real judge would.

      Why isn't this amazing AI advance being reported?

  5. Which, in turn... by kahei · · Score: 5, Insightful

    which highlights the retarding effect regulation has on technological progress

    In other news, today I successfully opened a can of Diet Coke -- which highlights the retarding effect regulation has on quenching thirst. Man, if I'd waited for the government to open that can for me, I'd still be thirsty now!

    If only there were a more effective way to highlight the retarding effect that obsessing over the complete works of Ayn Rand has on independant thought...

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    1. Re:Which, in turn... by badfish99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But surely the reason that people call for "the government to do something" is not that they want to be protected against porn themselves, but that they want laws put in place to force their own views on everyone else. It's not "I don't want to see this", it's "nobody should be allowed to see this, even if they want to".

  6. Backwards.. by onion2k · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can I run it backwards and filter out everything that isn't porn? I'd find that more .. useful.

  7. False Positives by michaelhood · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This thing will be ruined with false positives. Swimsuit photos, maybe pictures of animals (similar color tones), etc.

    This won't go anywhere for a long time, until image recognition technology catches up.

    1. Re:False Positives by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This won't go anywhere for a long time, until image recognition technology catches up.

      Even then, one person's "porn" is another's "art". Even a human can't correctly distinguish offensive vs. non-offensive content with all that much accuracy. (This is besides the fact that around the same time as image recognition technology catches up computers will have overtaken the world and we'll be following their rules rather than our own.)

  8. Need programers ? by lemonjus2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder how many hours the poor programers worked in order to test this thing :)

    Looking for porn that the filter cant handle...

    What those meetings must have looked like.

  9. Errors abound by michaelhood · · Score: 4, Interesting

    FTA: And we found that some oddly innocent images--in particular, "head shots" of pumpkins from last Halloween--were blocked. But overall, of blocking the images you'd want blocked.

    This thing won't be deployed en masse with problems like that.. it quickly becomes uneconomical for admins to be whitelisting pictures of pumpkins.

    1. Re:Errors abound by BeardsmoreA · · Score: 3, Insightful
      But how many employees will come to their BOFH complaining that they couldn't look at their neighbours halloween photos? On their work machine? In work time? Irritating if you're the employee, but not likely to keep employers awake at night I'd have thought. Lets be honest, 90% of most employees work surfing is probably less than work related, and if you really do have a job that involves looking for pictures online a lot, you're probably a prime candidate for whitelisting from the whole thing.

      OTOH,For something like a home machine that you wanted to configure for keeping the kiddies safe, yes, this might not be a great solution yet.

  10. Re:our favorite by ettlz · · Score: 4, Funny

    $ ishield hello.jpg
    Segmentation fault (core dumped)

  11. So much for animal rights by alx5000 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Nobody seems to be caring bout the 10^5 monkeys that check every image thus making the filter work... Poor perverted animals...

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  12. It's the Slashdot Fallacy ... by rkcallaghan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I simply don't get it.

    ... and you fell for it.

    First we shout the Govt. to get Off our backs on this issue, and when they actually fail to come up with any solutions (because we told them NOT to), we wham them for not guiding us/providing us with any solution.

    You are failing to realize that the same person is not talking in both cases. Also, while Slashdot as a whole leans to the left, the same issue can have articles written by, and about people on, both sides. The only thing that is happening here is that someone thought a discussion about a software for image identification and its future impact on us would be a good thread, and here we are.

    You tie both my hands behind my back, then you blame me for not shooting at the thief!

    The fallacy lies in missing that the ties hands speaker is not the same speaker as the one doing the blaming.

    Make more sense now?

    ~Rebecca

  13. What is porn? by houghi · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is this cameltoe porn or is it only porn if you get exited watching it?

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  14. Dev Meetings by TiggertheMad · · Score: 3, Funny

    Manager: "All right team, looks like Joe has finally come up with a fast and fairly accurate algorithim to spot those dirty old pornographic images. We will need to test it a bit first, to see what the signal to noise ratio is. We will need some test groups, though."

    "Yeah, sure bob, you can run the 'barely legal college girls' tests. Janet and Simone, you check the 'hot lesbian' batches. What? Sure Ramone, you can check the 'young gay studs' test. Now, who is going to run the 'goatse.cx' tests?"

    "Guys....? Anyone?"

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  15. Inconceivable! by rkcallaghan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does it work on everyone's favorite image, hello.jpg?

    A goatse reference that is helpful and useful? Inconceivable!

    I would buy this software if it could filter me from seeing that ever again.(I jest, but only slightly)

    ~Rebecca

    1. Re:Inconceivable! by ettlz · · Score: 3, Funny
      The best way to remove Goatse from your mind is to find a different, more troubling image to replace it with
      Like this one.
    2. Re:Inconceivable! by ettlz · · Score: 5, Funny
      I would buy this software if it could filter me from seeing that ever again.

      Or you could train your mind, as I have. My occiputal lobe no longer processes Goatse as it "should", and substitutes a fuzzy blur in its lieu. I literally cannot see it!

      Unfortunately, this is not without side effects. For instance, it's no longer safe for me to drive through tunnels.

  16. My work so far... by OverflowingBitBucket · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've developed a simple algorithm for checking web pages for pornographic content. It is roughly 98% accurate when fed a random page from the 'net. Here's the code so far:

    bool check_porn_content(const char *url)
    {
        (void)url;
        return true;
    }

    Any suggestions for further development, or licensing queries, please let me know.

  17. Not many of you... by hdparm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...know about what happened to Bryce Coad of Zombie Linux, almost 4 years ago. Wheteher his explanation was in fact true, I don't know. But obviously, some people have thought about this long time ago.

  18. Why? by BenjyD · · Score: 4, Informative

    Your 6-year-old may mistype his favorite cartoon's URL and wind up at a porn site; a 16-year-old may reach the same site deliberately

    Why should the sixteen year old be stopped from looking at porn? He's over the age of consent, what's wrong with letting him look at some naked women? He's probably thinking about sex all the time anyway, that's just what teenagers do.

  19. A History of Violence by digitaldc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Funny how they make very effective filters for pr0n, but violence is AOK.
    You can bomb, shoot, maim every night on the nightly news, but God forbid you show a naked breast...people might be harmed!
    There are hypocritical cultural 'norms' in the USA.

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  20. Re:I don;t get it. by Secrity · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are two seperate and distinct "solutions" for people who have issues with porn. The first "solution" is government censorship of the inernet. The second "solution" involves local filtering installed by the computer owner, and there are at least two flavors of this "solution". There are bastard situations where various non-federal governments (including libraries) own the computer or the network which get REAL complicated. There are also situations where ISPs and networks censor access.

    Government Censorship: There are wing nuts who want the US government to censor the internet, usually with cries of "think of the children" or "help fight terrorism". People who know how the internet works generally realize that this is a stupid "solution".

    Local Filtering: There are several different way that this can be done and all of the currently available local filtering "solutions" have problems. TFA was about a new local filtering scheme, which COULD be better than the existing methods.

    Local filtering vs. government censorship is, I think, where you see the contradiction. It really isn't a contradiction for people to say NO to government censorship (including local filtering in public libraries) and to also have some of the same people wanting the government to get involved in improving local filtering technologies.

    If it wasn't for porn on the internet, war, gay marriage, and abortion; you couldn't get anybody to go to the polls.