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Silicon Valley Firms Having Cash Showers

Carl Bialik from WSJ writes "'The market for high-technology start-up businesses is so intense in Silicon Valley that some companies are being showered with millions of dollars from investors -- without even asking for it,' the Wall Street Journal reports. The home-improvement website Done Right received an email from a well-known investment firm inquiring about putting cash into the company. 'Paul Ryan, Done Right's chief executive officer, says the missive wasn't sent to him or to his executives -- it landed in a general corporate email inbox,' the WSJ reports. 'Mr. Ryan wasn't put off by the impersonal plea: "We're having very good discussions with [the firm] right now," he says, declining to name the potential investor.' The Journal notes that 'pre-emptive' funding is, of course, risky, and harkens back to bubble-year investment trends."

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  1. The great thing about reason.... by svunt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Using pure economic reasoning to guide your decisions does of course leave history, or memory, out of the equation. Something that looked like a good idea and failed can still be a good idea five, ten or twenty years down the track, when you're armed only with analysis and a set of rules. Perhaps one history elective during that MBA would've helped cut down of this sort of tomfoolery.

  2. Re:It's actually a pretty good deal by CountBrass · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Since when has having remedial level math skills considered "insightful"?

    5% (or 1 in 20) make it giving a 10 fold return = bankruptcy for the venture capitalist.

    Perhaps you should spend more time in your math class and less time karma-whoring here?

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  3. Why not... by William+Robinson · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The question is whether venture capitalists are moving too quickly, funding risky, untested start-up businesses

    Depends upon VC's vision about technology whether it is in phase A or phase C of the famous Hype Cycle

  4. 419 scam? by ItsIllak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sounds to me like the CEO is being taken by a 419 variant scam -

    "Hi, we am interesting in investing to your company, the money will arrive from my dead uncles account of [insert country here]. We will just be needing $10k to release those funds please thank you. Did I mention that I am a civil servant..?"

  5. About time too.. by onion2k · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I reckon we're at about the right time for internet investments to start up again. Technology has caught up with the ideas. If Google's payment gateway plans live up to the rumours then the possibility of micropayment subscriptions for premium content is very real. Add to that the fact internet users are a much more clued up and savvy bunch with good, fast access and, critically, a willingness to spend money online there's a real opportunity here. The problem however is that investors are buying into (IMHO) the wrong thing. The biggest chunks of capital are going on things like social networking sites .. basically people are buying premium ad space. Online advertising is the old model .. the one that didn't work. It works for Google because they're not in the business of displaying adverts. They sell the distribution. Actually displaying the adverts doesn't yield much profit (a million here or there maybe, but not the hundreds of millions the venture capitalists want). I believe the future is in charging lots of users small sums for things the want .. like iTunes.

  6. Great by bm_luethke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We are starting to recover in the smallest markets. We are finally getting rid of the final vestiges of people who were in it totally for the money and salaries are starting to stablise. It takes several years for it to trickle down to us.

    Even then it's tough to get a job if you graduated in the height of the dot com boom and lost your job in the worst of it (especially in small markets like where I live and are in the position I am in - though my personal timing has nothing to do with the .com stuff). Having a second one isn't going to help matters any - I want a moderatly stable job with a decent salary. If you get a .com type of thing save up and don't become greedy, it's not going to last.

    For the sake of the industry I hope not - one would think that people learned in the last one. While it's not so bad on the large stable markets it kills the smaller ones.

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  7. Fear by PinkyDead · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you haven't read it - the 80/20 principal is a fascinating book. And one of the conclusions that Koch came to was that capital investors are every day living in great fear that tech innovators, especially in the software development industry will all come to realise that capital investment really isn't the cornerstone of the start-up the way it used to be (like when building cotton raddling factories etc).

    I don't think we are going to see the death throes of the VCs just yet - but there is a certain 'writing on the wall', of which this kind of thing is indicative.

    If you want to know what God thinks of money, look at who he gives it to.

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  8. Constrains eventually allow the company to prosper by RunFatBoy.net · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Being showered with money isn't much of a blessing. Before you know the investors are knocking on your door wanting to know where their ROI is, and why you haven't spent the X millions given (apparently spending the money is a sign of progress).

    The money is a burden; a HUGE burden.

    When in this situation, be honest with yourself. What will you spend the money on. If you cite PR, furniture, company stationary, etc, run the other way. If you cite "more employees", triple-check your logic to see if they are really needed before taking the money.

    "Pigs get fatter, hogs get slaughtered."

    -- Jim http://www.runfatboy.net/

  9. Cingely calls it? by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Was Cringely right on this one?

    Right now, there is in the U.S. venture capital community about $25 billion that remains uninvested from funds that will end their lifespans in the next 12-18 months. If the VCs return those funds to investors they'll also have to return $3 billion in already-spent management fees. Alternately, they can invest the money -- even if they invest it in bad deals -- and NOT have to cough-up that $3 billion. So the VCs have to find in the next few months places to throw that $25 billion. They waited this long in hopes that the economy would improve and that technical trends would become clear so they could do their typical lemming-like jump off the same investment cliff as all the other VCs. Well, we're at the edge of the cliff, so get ready for the most furious venture investing cycle in history.
    1. Re:Cingely calls it? by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bingo - wired was really wrong with their last 2.0 column. They posted the results before the last 2.05 billion figure came out in the Merc's coverage of the fund leaders. The spigots started pouring after google's insane ROI, but given the volume of posts on C-List alone it's just getting started. I'm fielding 2-3 callbacks a week, and I don't even have space for more than one more part-time client.

      I'm hoping that a bubble is somewhat diffused by sane growth that I've seen inside start-ups to date, but if the green pours too much there'll be plenty of nuts to watch roast.

  10. old news by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The NYT and The Merc both already had coverage last fall of some of the investor fallout from pent-up money combined with low-overhead startups. 2.05 billion was thrown around the Bay Area in quarter of 2005 (representing 40% of nationwide VC spending - NY was 2nd at 12%) but it wasn't easy. Firms in Palo Alto were turning down money offers from longer than lunch hour away commutes - and I've seen VC cold-calls come in at 2 off my contracting clients (seriously).

    But when companies can make do with 250,000 instead of 20 million whatchagonnado?

    This gives me no small measure of hope that something different might be emerging.

  11. From an investor's point of view... by The-Perl-CD-Bookshel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am a technology analyist for a hedge fund and I must say that there is a buzz around the "new dot com" companies. However, for the sophisticated/value investor, it is never good enough to simply have a good idea - the company must be ready to capitalize on it. I see at least one company per week that has a brilliant idea but no strategy to make it profitable. The difference between the way I look at a business and the way VC firms look at a company is that they will initially accept poor mangement because they will require oversight and the ability to put some of their own people in place. Some hedge funds do this but they are often not the high-risk/high return types. VC firms (and to a more important degree these days "angel investors") will get into a company for a good idea, a recognizable brand, a value-chain opportunity with other investments or for some more highly speculative reason. VC don't initially chase profits or earnings, they operate mainly outside of the realm of "fundamentals" by looking to capture as much of a company's ideas and future updise while accepting many (oft. deplorable) downside risks. A quick note about hedge funds for people that are quick to label them as horrible groups that short stocks and cause companies to go down in flames: there are firms, like the one I work for, that do not short their investments (we invest with a company for the long-term and often help them with their second and third rounds of fundraising) and many don't get into death spiral warrents that cause companies to dilute their stock over and over (and lose current investors tons of money). Hedge fund is just a generic term for a private investment company - the ones that give "hedge fund" a bad name are a very small minority.

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  12. Strangers with Tasty Candy by goberoi · · Score: 2, Interesting
    There is certainly a lot of hype. Eight weeks ago I and a friend launched our service (http://billmonk.com/), and on the first day were contacted by a prominent VC. Since then, we've spoken to seven more.

    Don't get me wrong. Our product is great, and our users love it - but the attention given to a two-man startup around for such a short period of time was disproportionate to what we had proved to the market at the time.

    We decided to hold off on trading a large amount of equity for a relatively small amount of cash - especially when cash isn't needed to bootstrap a company like ours. In our situation, it makes better sense to seek angel funding before talking to VCs when we need money for growth.

    Although venture capitalists ARE strangers with candy, they're not necessarily evil or stupid. In this current environment where a lot of small companies are flipped, speculation makes financial sense. Given the potential returns, an investment of a million or two is chump change for these firms. For small companies, that's all you need; what's actually more important is that VCs provide all-important media and business contacts. The bottom line is that you should be wary of the candy, but it can help you realize your ideas. If you are motivated, skilled, and have an idea, this is a great time to join the gold rush.