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Professor Bans Laptops from the Classroom

An anonymous reader writes "USAToday is reporting that students are up in arms over a University of Memphis Professor who has decided to ban laptops from her classroom. Earlier this month Professor Entman sent an email warning to her students to bring paper and pens to take notes and leave the laptops at home. From the article: '"My main concern was they were focusing on trying to transcribe every word that was I saying, rather than thinking and analyzing," Entman said Monday. "The computers interfere with making eye contact. You've got this picket fence between you and the students."'"

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  1. I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by eno2001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd call her a free thinker. We need more of them in the world.

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    1. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by Marx_Mrvelous · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're kidding... right? You are paying for the privilege of learning from an expert in a subject. If something is interfering with her teaching, she has every right to remove it from her classroom. It's nice that you're a Graduate Student and all, but you've obviously not learned proper respect for your professors yet. Grow up!

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    2. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by Baseball_Fan · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I'm a Graduate Student and I take my Powerbook to all classes. I pay for University and I'll be damned if a Professor will tell me how I'm going to learn and if I can/can't take my laptop to the class I am paying for.

      If you were in the same class as me, I would prevent you from using your laptop. I can't think with clicking noises. I paid for that class too, and I have a right to learn just as much as you do.

      This is like letting cigarettes in public places. It is not the smokers right to light up, it is the public right to breath clean air.

      Your clicking is noise pollution. It is no different than starting a conversation with the person sitting next to you, and disrupting the class. The professor has every right to maximize the learning for all students, not to protect the rights of one to use his laptop.

      You have every right to take your hand written notes and type them in your laptop after class. You don't have the right to do it during class when you can disturb others.

    3. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by MustardMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      AMEN! I've had student try to pull the "I pay your salary, so you work for me" line of bullshit once. Exactly once, because that student was removed from my classroom and had to retake the class with someone else the next term. I don't care if you're at Harvard paying 40 grand a year to go to school, the classroom belongs to the professor. You don't like that professor's rules, take your money and go elsewhere - the school doesn't NEED your self centered, obnoxious ass around anyway.

    4. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Excellent point. Did they teach you false analogies at University or did you do outside research?

    5. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by Moby+Cock · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Part of the job of a teacher is to teach how to learn.

      No way. Not at the university level. It is up to the student to experiment and find out how they best learn. It is incumbent on the prof to support various learning styles.

    6. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by joeljkp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, really.

      How is this news? None of my professors (engineering) like students using laptops in class, unless we're doing some sort of computer assignment. Several of them make us put them away (or at least close the lid) when they start lecturing.

      I find it distracting when I have my computer on, but it's also distracting to the professor. Try talking to a room full of people busily browsing the web sometime.

      Of course, in engineering, you'd be crazy to try to take notes on your laptop. Engineering paper and pencil is the way to go.

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    7. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by MustardMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What are you going to do if ALL of your students take that stance?

      Leave the university, and if it continues happening at other schools, leave education in general. The second I lose control of my classroom, I'll go into industry and triple my salary.

      I teach because I love sharing knowledge and educating people. I know how to teach. Most of my students barely know how to learn. The second they are able to dictate policy in my class is the second I stop running the class.

      Most skilled educators would do the same - if students tried to "unionize" and run their universities, our education system would be even shittier than it is now. Education is not a business, and students are not customers - it's a fundamental pillar of our society, where those who have knowledge pass it on to those who do not. Try to take away the money, and we'll end up going back to the days of unpaid apprenticeships, where the student practically begs to be taught, and lives like a slave for years while learning.

    8. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by MustardMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The room is only big enough for one leader - maybe it should be the one who's teaching? Just a thought.

      My ego? Get a grip - most professors' salaries are pathetic compared to what they could make in industry. You don't go into academia because of ego, you either do it because you love research for the sake of knowledge, or you love teaching. I happen to love both.

      However, I cannot do my job when some obnoxious nineteen year old is trying to run my class. If he knew what the hell he was doing, he wouldn't need to be in my class in the first place.

    9. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by Fratz · · Score: 5, Insightful
      One of the best teachers I ever had (back in 1990) banned note taking entirely for his Trigonometry and Calculus classes. His view was that if you were taking notes, you would be focusing on writing down what you saw, rather than thinking about it. I can respect that and get behind it, since I've been there and know it works.

      However, the professor in question wants people to switch from laptops to paper, basically making them less efficient at note-taking, giving them even less time to pay attention to what she's saying. I don't think she understands that side-effect.

      In any case, if she's worried that note-taking is a distraction, why doesn't she just prepare all her material ahead of time, provide it to the students, and then go over it in class in detail? That eliminates 99% of note-taking, causes them to pay attention to her, and makes sure each student gets the same printed information. It seems as if she is putting artificial restrictions on her students in an attempt to achieve a goal without doing anything different herself.

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    10. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by johnfatz · · Score: 5, Interesting
      The boombox disturbs OTHER people; the laptop doesn't."
      • What are you talking about? Have you ever sat near a person tick tick ticking away on a laptop while in a lecture? Or are you the personing doing that really annoying ticking?! Then theres the hummmmmm from the laptop too which while faint is still noticeable. Pen and paper is the only way to go for note taking. When people make mistakes on laptops they tend to bang the keys in a frantic fashion and manage to be even more annoying! I applaud her actions as I would ban them too!
    11. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by TheCarp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think her concern is a little more nuanced.

      Yes a laptop makes you more efficient at entering and storing vast amounts of information.

      This is normally a benefit.

      Her concern, as I read it, is actually not new or common to laptops.

      When taking notes, it has LONG been that some students will try to just write everything down word for word. This is VERY HARD to do on paper unless you are a very fast writter.

      So most students are forced by inefficiency to become more internally efficient. They learn to listen and think and then take notes based on their own thoughts.

      Thus, the difference in efficiency of information transfer between voice and blackboard and paper forced students to think more and learn how to learn in that manner.

      Notebooks have, according to her assertion, tipped the scale and allowed more students to be really bad note takers. And by BAD I mean ones who note too much without thinking. Now you really can just focus on entering all the info, without thinking about what you are doing, because it takes all yoru concentration to do it.

      In a way it makes sense. I would love to see some studies done to test her assertions.

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    12. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by rpdillon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have the same problem with this I have with most all blanket rules and/or policies.

      I usually agree with the intent (get students to pay attention in class and focus on learning, not web browsing). But the technique is horrible. This kind of thing comes from the mentality that "yet another law will fix it." In this case, the law only applies in the classroom, but it is still a law.

      Did the professor start a lecture one day in class and say:
      "I've noticed a number of you are using laptops during the class. I like the idea that you are enhancing your learning experience and perhaps taking notes on your laptops, but I would appreciate it if you would keep their use to a minimum during the lecture to avoid distracting other students. If you feel that you must take notes on a laptop for the entire lecture, please make use of the back three rows in the lecture hall to avoid disturbing the other students."

      Often, we can solve problems by simply *communicating* with people, rather than implementing some blanket policy that bans laptops. A simple request from the professor goes quite some way, and she could even suggest that if people feel strongly they come see her during office hours to discuss it.

      The teacher/student relationship is one of give and take, and both should be willing to communicate to work out a arrangement that benefits the other and themselves. The simple act of talking about a topic is underrated, I think, often in favor of laws, rules and policy.

    13. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by eric76 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If I had owned a laptop, I would have been tempted to use it to record what was said in class while I used paper and pencil to take notes.

      I used to know a lawyer who as a law student modified a briefcase so he could conceal a tape recorder to tape his law school classes in the early 70's. From the tapes, he would the lectures to paper and then sell copies of the transcribed lectures to other students. While he was at work making deliveries, he would listen to the tapes instead of the radio as he drove.

    14. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by zerocool^ · · Score: 5, Funny


      remind them there's a actual world outside Cyberspace.

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    15. Re:I Wouldn't Call Her a Luddite by chud67 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My ego? Get a grip - most professors' salaries are pathetic compared to what they could make in industry. You don't go into academia because of ego, you either do it because you love research for the sake of knowledge, or you love teaching.

      My aunt once told me that teachers have the biggest egos in the world; I found it rather interesting that she would say this, because she was an English teacher for more than 20 years. However my recent personal experience has supported this. I got a new boss not too long ago and couldn't seem to get along with him no matter how hard I tried, which was something I'd never experienced before. Every time I disagreed with him on a technical issue, he would get so mad you could practically see steam shooting out of his ears. I explained the situation to a friend of mine who worked as a project manager for another company and he asked me to tell him about my new boss. I said, "Well, he's done some programming, some management, and he teaches programming part time at the local university."
      "Hold it right there", my friend said. "Every time I've had to work with someone who came out of a university teaching environment, it was very difficult. The reason why is because they come from an environment where they're always right."
      He had hit the nail right on the head.
      Realizing what type of person I was dealing with, I backed off and quietly tried to just do my job. However after about a month of him constantly looking over my shoulder, rushing me, and criticizing my work, he got what he wanted: I made a mistake on a project. He then pulled me into the VP's office and wrote me up for "poor performance". I then told the VP that I wanted to go back to my old department (a demotion which I gladly accepted), and have since been working happily for a nice boss who has a strong technical background and, more importantly, a laid back personality.
      Lesson learned.

  2. What's next? by klenwell · · Score: 5, Funny

    Requiring students to actually show up to class?

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  3. don't fear by flynt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My main concern was they were focusing on trying to transcribe every word that was I saying, rather than thinking and analyzing

    Oh, I'm sure they were thinking and analyzing, but more likely about how to win the current game of Minesweeper or Solitaire.

  4. Emailing Students by u16084 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Since Students were not making eye contact while taking notes, she emailed them again, stating pencils and pens are now banned also.

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  5. Can I say "good" by gowen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've taught a number of classes at university level, and I hate people note taking with laptops, for the following reasons:
    i) Too few of them are good enough typists to focus on whats being said properly.
    ii) It's almost impossible for them to copy down diagrams or any complex equations, or make decent marginal notes.
    iii) It's much noisier than pen and paper, and paper is easier to highlight and annotate.
    iv) They remember the content better if they make pencil notes, and type them up later.

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  6. Purpose of lecture time by timster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Often students seem to believe that lecture time is when the professor Speaks and the students are supposed to Remember. I'd guess this is due to poor teaching methods in public high schools, where there is a focus on rote.

    Ideally the purpose of class time is for the professor to lead the students to understanding. The book has the facts and figures and whatnot, but for many students just reading the book doesn't make things click. Every group of students will need to be led to understanding a slightly different way, and class time with the professor is a chance for that to happen. It's supposed to be a session of brain activity, not mere transcription.

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  7. Thinking in lectures by Tx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I agree with her that students should be spending their time thinking about what she's saying, but writing notes on paper doesn't facilitate that any more than laptops do. My favourite lecturer at university gave us printed notes for every lecture, precisely so we didn't have to write anything down, and could focus on thinking about the subject. I did great in that class, and to this day I don't understand why many lecturers still insist on making people take notes instead of following suit.

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  8. Laptops Don't Always Improve Learning by ironwill96 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Contrary to what the media and Bill Gates or Steve Jobs would like you to believe, sometimes technology in the classroom can be a distraction.

    I graduated just a year ago from a decent size University (10,000 students) and since I was getting a Computer Science degree I saw laptops in use in a lot of my classes. I'd say that 50% of the time people were playing video games of some sort or another, playing FreeCell or Solitaire, watching DVDs and generally using the laptop to do anything *but* take notes. This in turn distracted everyone else around them as they focused on whatever the person on the laptop was screwing around doing instead of on class.

    I'll be honest, some of these classes were boring and I was occasionally envious of the people with laptops, but when I went to do homework or study for a test, I actually had some notes since with just pen and paper there is not a lot you can do to amuse yourself unless you have a really active imagination or like doing the box game or playing Tic-Tac-Toe for hours on end.

    Now, some will say "but not everyone will use the laptop to screw around", and that's not my point. The point is, SOMEONE will, and that will distract everyone else. I've seen it happen and anyone claiming that it doesn't happen is lying.

    So basically, I applaud her move and think that not every class should allow laptops in the classroom as sometimes technology is more of a hindrance than a help.

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  9. Re:This is a teacher? by MustardMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My past experience is that "trying to transcribe every word rather than thinking and analyzing" is exactly what most teachers want.

    That's because most teachers are bad teachers.

    For that matter, most students in the US system are bad students. The way many lectures SHOULD work (especially in the sciences) is, you read the relevant section of the text before class, and then keep the text open while the teacher lectures and fills in the gaps in your understanding. In my experience TAing in the US, very few students have the discipline to actually prepare for lecture

  10. For those of you who haven't been to law school... by sweetnjguy29 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...which I assume is the vast majority of readers on slashdot...

    First year law classes aren't computer science lectures where everyone sits passively and takes notes. Law Professors practice the socratic method. Which means that the professor calls on a student and asks that student a question. If the student answers correctly, then the professor asks another question. Then the professor asks a question which he knows the student can't answer. Then the professor yells at the student and asks why he is a moron. Then the professor takes the case book and beats the crap out of the student with it. A notebook computer doesn't fit into this routine.

    I'm exaggerating slightly, but thats what a lot of first year law students go through.

    I think that she teaches first year civil procedure. This is a very hard class that covers the mechanics of filing a law suit. It is very tricky and nuanced and even experienced lawyers don't understand it fully. Since she co-wrote a treatise about Tennessee Civil Procedure it is not surprising that according to Ratemyprofessors.com, Prof. Entman "expects you to be able to recall every detail from every footnote from every case you ever read." Yikes!

    Interestingly, Prof. Entman was a social studies teacher in the late 60s and early 70s for 7 years before going into the law. I imagine that notebook computers don't fit into her conception of a learning environment.

  11. Re:The Professor is arguably correct in the theory by Asic+Eng · · Score: 5, Insightful
    When I was in university we had a class on field theory. The script was available as a bound book, which everybody bought (though technically it wasn't required). Nevertheless there was a student in class taking notes . The lecturer asked her "Why are you taking notes? You have the book, right?". (It was in fact quite visible on her desk.) She explained that taking notes allowed her to better focus on the lecture. I never took notes during that class, preferring to listen. At the end of the term I got a good grade - so did she.

    Thing is - people are learning in different ways, what works well for her may not work so well for me and vice versa.

  12. Re:Not really... by MustardMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If a professor is genuinely doing things wrong, then the type of drive you spoke about will indeed be sucessful. Indeed, when I was an undergrad I petitioned to get sweeping policy changes implemented - but the fundamental point here was, the majority of good professors AGREED with me, that the changes were needed.

    The school backed me up with this student 100%. You want to know why? Because the kid was a spoiled jackass who deserved to fail a class and learn a lesson about respect. That's not me being pompous, it's me putting a stupid kid in his place.

    You know NOTHING about what the student's complaint was. You know nothing about the way I was treated. Yet you assume I was a pompous and self absorbed asshole because I removed a student who not only questioned my authority, but disrupted my classroom and negatively affected the learning experiences of the other twenty people in the room. Be careful when you make assumptions about things you don't know, you might find you come across as the self centered, pompous one.