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The .XXX Saga Continues in Wellington
netrover writes "CircleID is reporting on the latest developments on the .XXX top-level domain as the related ICANN meeting is currently underway in Welligton, New Zealand. From the article: 'The .XXX TLD was widely expected to receive its final approval at the ICANN's last meeting held in Vancouver about 4 months earlier but the discussion was unexpectedly delayed as the organization and governments requested more time to review the merits of setting up such a domain.' But as it has been reported, it appears the discussions at ICANN Wellington are in limbo once again."
I really wanted the XXX Sega.
Like ICANT.
My work here is dung.
Why do we need a .xxx domain anyway? Will it make easier for people to block these sites? You can't get into them unless you pay anyway. Is it better for categorization? All the other sites are in 2-3 TLDs. I just don't see what this would help.
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David Farrar is an InternetNZ councillor and is attending ICANN in Wellington... he's blogging on the meetings at:
.xxx but very much against it.
.xxx TLD may end up becoming compulsory for adult entertainment websites, with governments then legislating to make it mandatory for such sites to be in .xxx TLD. They also believe credit card companies might refuse to provide services to adult sites which are not in the .xxx TLD which will give the sponros of that TLD de facto control over the entire industry.
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/
mixed in with his other stuff of course.
Useful stuff like:
But what is interesting is who else is against the proposal. I had lunch yesterday with the Communications Director of the trade association of the adult entertainment industry. And they are not in favour of
Their fears are the opposite of the US Government. They fear
Go crash his server.
First of all even if it DOES pass do they really think they're gonna be able to push all the porn sites into one domain...seriously. Secondly who is gonna be the comittee that sits down and says X is porn, Y isn't. Just how much of a breast can I show before it's porn? Will Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition become porn? This is my biggest concern. It just seems like too much of a damned fine line even bother passing this domain. Just my .02
There are two issues that I see with .xxx
.xxx?
1) Define porn. Any definition will have to involve questions of artistic merit, like they deal with in other cases.
2) What do you do with hybrid sites? I mean, wikipedia has several graphic illustrations in the human sexuality articles. Does wikipedia have to move fully to
This demonstrates how stupid most people are about DNS.
.xxx, and types in the IP address? IP addresses don't end in .xxx. He's just sidestepped the filter.
What happens when the kid resolves
Would porn sites have to use email@porn.xxx for their emails? How about for their administrative FTP servers?
This is not something you fix in DNS, you fix it elsewhere. Anyone that doesn't recognize this immediately, has *no business* taking part in the discussion.
To all of you who say you can't define porn etc etc.
.xxx TLD many of the relevant sites will have a presence there.
.xxx
.biz or .info which the ICANN didn't seem to have any trouble approving.
.here and reserve it for public special use like the 192.168.x.x, 172.1x.x.x and 10.x.x.x addresses. So at least you can address devices or stuff that's kind of within the area". Like jukebox.here or whats.here, whos.here.
I believe the people providing porn and their target audience have a reasonable idea of what it is. If you create a
Just skip any stupid legislation trying to pin it down or require sites to use it or to not use it.
I mean when you do a Google search with site:.au you know you are looking for sites linked to or in Australia BUT of course it's not a 100% thing.
Same goes for
So I say it'll be useful to at least more people than it was to
If I were in charge of approving TLDs, I'd approve
The usefulness and novelty of being able to control a jukebox in UK from Turkmenistan wears off after a while. But as long as physical stuff remains important, it will remain useful to be able to address stuff by rough physical context/locality.
With this, people don't have to change their domain search paths or even have one (for security or other reasons). They might even be able to bookmark standard URLs for setting their favourite airconditioner temperature or something like that.
.XXX? Why not .CUM?
How ya like dat?
Good idea/bad idea issues aside, if this were made mandatory what would the enforcement cost be, and who would pay it?
.XXX domain)? If not, then would they strictly be dictating what kind of content I could put on my site?
Last time I checked, domain names were treated like property. Suppose I own hotsweatymonkeysex.com (which I don't, unfortunately). Could they force me to give up my domain name without compensation (other than a free
The former is reminiscent of "imminent domain" (pun intended), and the latter is a violation of my freedom of speech. The only remaining option I could see would be for them to buy me out, but who would foot the bill?
Given the logistics of it, I could only see this working on a voluntary basis, which is to say that it wouldn't.
Just use reverse DNS, granted not everyone would have it set up but most would.
Also some filtering program should be able to easily associate IP's with DNS names using other methods.
And what about doorway sites? Could somepornsite.com stay open to redirect people to their new domain? If so, could it be an automatic redirect?
Forcing porn sites to buy another domain is, in my opinion unreasonable. I don't think the government ought to be trying to put such regulations on the industry to begin with, but if they are going to make such regulations, they ought to do it with the subdomain rather than the TLD. For example, at the top of this page you see politics.slashdot.org. The porn sites could keep their domains and not have to pay anything extra, the only restriction being that they have to use xxx.somepornsite.net instead of www.somepornsite.com. It wouldn't cost them anything, and it would give the politicians what their looking for by creating something that's easy to block.
As I say, I'm very much opposed to any of the above regulations, but I think my suggestion is a less obtrusive method.
The problem governments have with the .xxx domain is that, while it may make reguilation of porn easier (doubtful, by setting aside a domain for pornography, it _legitimatizes_ it. The govt would be in the uncomfortable position of saying that obscenity/pornography is bad, but here's a government approved place for it.
.xxx to go into effect because it would be endorsing something he wants to eradicate; after all, if porn was gone, .xxx wouldn't be needed. If the next president is a Democrat, .xxx will be endorsed "for our protection" - along with hefty fees to pay for the implementation of said regulation. (e-rate, anyone?)
It's analogous to the situation in Pennsylvania (and Montgomery County MD, where I live) with "states stores". In order to better regulate the sale of hard liquor (presumably more dangerous than beer), sales are only allowed through government owned stores. But this now makes the government the purveyor of a substance which can have dangerous consequences and bad societal results - alcoholism and drunk driving. And when this is pointed out, and the effectiveness of the "regulation" is called to question, the unspoken truth is that the State of PA and MontgoCo are as addicted to the money from sales as alcoholics are to what is sold.
So Bush doesn't want
"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
1) Define porn. Any definition will have to involve questions of artistic merit, like they deal with in other cases.
Why? Who cares? Sites that consider themselves to be pornographic will buy .xxx domains because it's good for business. Others won't.
In any case, porn isn't that hard to define. Porn is imagery whose primary purpose is sexual arousal. The question of art is irrelevant. Porn can be artistic, but that doesn't make it not porn. Art can be pornographic but that doesn't make it not art. And the fact that artistic porn is artistic doesn't mean I want to look at it, or want my kids to look at it.
But the question of the definition of porn is irrelevant in the present context.
What do you do with hybrid sites? I mean, wikipedia has several graphic illustrations in the human sexuality articles. Does wikipedia have to move fully to .xxx?
No one would *have* to move anywhere. No one ensures that businesses don't buy .org domains, or that ISPs don't buy .com domains, or... why would this be any different?
Even so, I expect that .xxx would be very popular for porn sites, so that blocking the domain would actually yield some benefit from those who want to avoid it. It wouldn't be perfect, of course, but nothing ever will. Imperfect solutions are still useful.
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Couldn't we just host all NWS pictures at a .xxx image host? "TinyPic.xxx"? It seems like it'd make filtering easier to just say "Don't load anything from a .xxx" domain rather than go through all kinds of complex protocol to determine if a site contains pornography. A lot of hosts have a problem with hosting porn anyway.
"We have too many TLDs now. Remember all those stupid TLDs from the last round, like ".museum"? Nobody uses them. "
Once you understand that ICANN was captured by the trademark communiny it becomes cleat why they picked the absolute lamest of TLDs to go forward. So people like you would come to the conclusion you did. Of course the names they picked were stupid. The good ones still sit there. Oh, no, sorry, they don't according to ICANN they don't exist. Never mind they existed before ICANN did.
ICANN's mandate is to preseeve "stability of the Internet". Whenever a dictator assumes power the reason given is always "to preserve stability". That's really what they say. Check it out for youself.
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What happens when the kid resolves .xxx, and types in the IP address?
.xxx in one of the domains?
On some websites, you get an error page. On the others, this can be worked around.
1. Get domain name for given IP
2. Is
3. Yes, ban the IP.
That's still much easier than analyzing the page content for keywords.
Waht's next?
.069 - why not.
.mlf - no comments.
.les - keep them coming.
.hom - ughh!
.ana - maybe.
.sad - pass.
.mas - pass.
.bes - never mind.
.tit
My personal favotite:
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."
Oh, I've got the moral courage to take a stance, alright. I take the stance that you're an enemy of all who believe that the human body isn't shameful, and sex is something to be celebrated, not repressed. Why don't you help clean up all the fucking violence and bigotry (esp. anti-gay bigotry) in our society and then we'll talk about the oh-so-terrible danger that your five year old might see a tit.
These are spread throughout the city. SFW
When the policeman of the tie, rule you violate, hello punishment of the kitty?
The copier may be trying to raise his karma. See his posting history.
http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q =melbourne+site:.aero&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=u tf-8:
.aero:
.pros:
Results 1 - 50 of about 454 English pages for melbourne site:.aero. (0.47 seconds)
There does seem to be a few companies using
Results 1 - 50 of about 289,000 English pages for site:.aero. (0.25 seconds)
Very few
Results 1 - 50 of about 52,100 English pages for site:.pro. (0.36 seconds)
Of course:
Results 1 - 50 of about 7,520,000,000 English pages for site:.com. (0.35 seconds)
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I'm not so sure porn is so bad for my kids, but I don't want them to risk being brainwashed by religions and want to filter them more easily. Where do I apply for a .rel? :-p
Seriously, when the DNS is used to push for stances a group of people may have, I doubt it's used for the right purposes. It's not a political tool to censor content "unpleasant" to some, it's a tool to build hierarchies.
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
The Internet is a public place and decency laws that apply to public conduct ought to apply.
Whose laws? In some places, a topless woman on the main street of town would be arrested or even stoned; other places no-one would pay her any attention. Which of those societies gets to impose their laws on the other?
Feel free to legislate your section of the internet, but keep away from everyone else's.
If there's a strip club on Broadway and Main they have signs to indicate what the content on the inside is going to be like so my kids can't accidently walk inside.
Actually they have those signs up to try to entice adults to go in, not to keep kids out. The bouncers keep kids and other undesirables out, yes, but in the case of the kids it's mostly because
a) they don't have much money
b) the strip joint will lose their licence if they get caught letting kids in too often
It's not like that on the Internet but it should be.
Every single porn site I've ever seen has had a warning along the lines of "Explicit content past this page - if you're too young or offended by this stuff, keep out!". That's analagous to your signs. Most sites also require a valid credit or debit card to gain full entry; that's analagous to your doorman. True, it's no guarantee that a kid can't get in, but then you'll be wanting to ask the parents why they have a credit card (or why the parents weren't careful enough with their own).
Do you have the moral courage to take a stance or are you a coward?
Yes, I have the moral courage to take a stance. As another respondent already said, I have the courage to take a stand for my morals, which are clearly not identical to yours. I'm sorry, but I really don't see anything particularly wrong with graphic depictions of sex. No, I don't want my six year old viewing hardcore porn; that's one of the reasons why I make sure I'm with her when she's using the Internet, so she doesn't accidentally stray from disney.com or nickjr.co.uk on to a porn site. But then I'm odd like that; I take responsibilty for what my kid is exposed to.
It's official. Most of you are morons.
Don't kid yourself. You don't protect your kids from anything, you just shield them from reality with your religious doctrinary shit. There is no harm for kids to see "coitus", other than that they should know not to bother parents involved in private moments.
And your "decency" laws only apply to the USA, Iran, Saudi Arabia and a few other theocracies; they don't apply in many European countries. Last time I checked, the internet was a global public spot.
Only slightly off-topic:
The origin of these crosses is not known but historians believe it is a reference to 3 plagues (water, fire and smallpocks) that killed a lot of inhabitants.
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