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Bring Home the Biotech Bacon

Wired is reporting that researchers may have found the key to "heart friendly bacon." From the article: "Geneticists have mixed DNA from the roundworm C. elegans and pigs to produce swine with significant amounts of omega-3 fatty acids -- the kind believed to stave off heart disease. Researchers hope they can improve the technique in pork and do the same in chickens and cows. In the process, they also want to better understand human disease."

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  1. Fatty by mr100percent · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Still, the pork has way too much fat to be healthy. You can still get trichonosis or tapeworm from infected meat, like regular pork. It's still not kosher or halal either.

    1. Re:Fatty by sexylicious · · Score: 2, Funny

      You can still get trichonosis or tapeworm from infected meat, like regular pork.

      But if that's the case, you could market it as a weight-loss program too!

    2. Re:Fatty by Duckman5 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It's still not kosher or halal either.

      Which is exactly why I've been saying the next step should be to genetically engineer a pig with multiple stomachs so it can chew it's cud. Mmmm...kosher bacon.
  2. Risks? by mtenhagen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And then in 20 years we will discover that this 'adjusted' meat will cause cancer or 'mad-human disease'

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    1. Re:Risks? by Aranth+Brainfire · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nobody cares if something causes cancer, or some disease in 20 years.

      Know any smokers?

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  3. Sounds like a rabbit's foot by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Good for us... Not so good for the pig or the rabbit.

    Vincent: Want some bacon?
    Jules: No man, I don't eat pork.
    Vincent: Are you Jewish?
    Jules: Nah, I ain't Jewish, I just don't dig on swine, that's all.
    Vincent: Why not?
    Jules: Pigs are filthy animals. I don't eat filthy animals.
    Vincent: Bacon tastes gooood. Pork chops taste gooood.
    Jules: Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherfucker. Pigs sleep and root in shit. That's a filthy animal. I ain't eat nothin' that ain't got enough sense enough to disregard its own faeces.
    Vincent: How about a dog? Dogs eats its own feces.
    Jules: I don't eat dog either.
    Vincent: Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal?
    Jules: I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
    Vincent: Ah, so by that rationale, if a pig had a better personality, he would cease to be a filthy animal. Is that true?
    Jules: Well we'd have to be talkin' about one charmin' motherfuckin' pig. I mean he'd have to be ten times more charmin' than that Arnold on Green Acres, you know what I'm sayin'?

    1. Re:Sounds like a rabbit's foot by dalroth5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hello folks.
      I really can't let this one go by.

      "Pigs sleep and root in shit. That's a filthy animal."

      No. When humans are confined without the means to stay clean (think gaol) they too sleep in shit. Does that make humans filthy animals? Clearly not. Equally clearly, when pigs live out in the wild they shun excrement just like you and I do.

      "I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty."

      No. A dog is merely doing what other animals do with a food which is difficult to digest: they re-digest it. Cattle do the same; but they don't have to shit it out first because they have multiple stomachs. It's called 'cud'. Do you drink milk? Do you eat butter and cheese?

      If freshly dropped shit was harmful, you'd be ill already, wouldn't you? Please remember that your own, personal, filthy shit just came out of the middle of your nicely-clean-on-the-outside body. You and I are both literally full of shit. :) So is everybody else. In fact, the only humans who aren't full of shit are the starving millions in the Third World. Do you want to cleanse yourself? Stop eating for about a week. OK? No, I thought not.

      Special thought for the day just for you: "I am glad and grateful to be full of shit."

      Thanks for your time.

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    2. Re:Sounds like a rabbit's foot by Liam+Slider · · Score: 4, Funny
      A dog is merely doing what other animals do with a food which is difficult to digest: they re-digest it
      Uh-huh....now explain to me their whole cat shit fetish Mr. Wizard. They'll snarf that shit down like it was candy.
  4. Doh ! by sane? · · Score: 5, Informative
    You can just imagine all those marketeers and press people who were planning to use Omega-3 as a marketing tool when they read this recent article.

    As they say in the marketing rulebook: Timing is everything

  5. Instead of bacon... by hobotron · · Score: 2, Funny


    We get bacon with worms?

    I think someone didn't run this by marketing.

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  6. the kind believed to stave off heart disease by Threni · · Score: 5, Informative

    > omega-3 fatty acids -- the kind believed to stave off heart disease.

    Er...no it's not:

    http://society.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,1738 599,00.html

    1. Re:the kind believed to stave off heart disease by kfg · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And nevermind the fact that the whole idea that Omega-3 fatty acids reduce the risk of heart attack has always been a poor assumption based on poor science, the result of going on a, well, fishing expedition, for a correlation and stopping when they found one in the fat, with no particular justification for the fat being where the relevant correlation was to be found in the first place.

      And, repeat after me: Correlation is not causation.

      The most obvious difference to me between Greek and Inuit cultures (the high fat, low heart disease reason for the fishing expedition) and "ours" is that theirs is poor, but low stress with a bit of a fatalistic, what will be will be, view of life and death.

      Skip the salmon and the Frankenstein's pork. Just mellow out dude.

      And maybe get a little aerobic exercise a few times a week.

      Of course nobody can get a headline out of that, or take out a patent on it to make a financial killing. . .

      Oh, wait, nevermind. Excuse me, I have to go call my lawyer and patent a method for "MellowCise (tm)".

      KFG

  7. Doubt on Omega-3 benefits by Elessar · · Score: 2, Informative

    This may not be so great. This recent story http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4838086.stm/ casts doubts on the benefits of omega-3.

  8. good for us by pintomp3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    not to sound like some peta activist (i'm carniverous to a fault) but how does it effect the life of the animal? i guess it's kind of like veil where not do you live to be slaughtered, but perhaps also live bad life too.

    1. Re:good for us by tpgp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      not to sound like some peta activist (i'm carniverous to a fault) but how does it effect the life of the animal?

      You're going to get a million people replying to you saying variations of "what does it matter? The pig is going to die"

      It's a question that society has to start thinking about - many people (like the parent poster) have no problem eating meat, but are concerned about the life of the animal prior to it being butchured.

      Its a valid concern, and not hypocritical at all - there's an enormous gap between an animal that lives a relatively healthy, natural life prior to an (early) death and an animal that lives in pain, fear and misery prior to an early death. (for starters the first will taste much better).

      So, in answer to your question, noone really cares how it effects the animal - but we should.

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    2. Re:good for us by porcupine8 · · Score: 2, Informative
      You don't sound like a PeTA activist at all. You sound like someone concerned about animal welfare - a movement totally separate from the animal rights philosophies that PeTA et al are espousing. Animal rights activists say humans have no right to use other animals in any way, shape, or form (including food, research, fur, pets) - animal welfare activists say we have the right to use animals, but that right comes with the responsibility to minimize their suffering whenever possible.

      In other words, welcome to the sane version of "animal rights". :)

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  9. Wait 20 years by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I doubt regular bacon would disappear overnight or anything, but virtually every time someone comes out and says, "X-inol in corn prevents fin rot," five years later it's common knowledge that X-inol just makes food taste funny. If in twenty years, Omega-3 is still thought to make people healthy, then go adding it to things. For now, odds are you'll just end up with birth defects and adult acne.

  10. Re:What about the animals? by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Preliminary studies show they still mostly die of having their heads lopped off and getting shoved into meat grinders.

  11. Trade-offs by quokkapox · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Is it just me, or are we trying to over-optimize our diets? Why not just try to eat what we evolved to eat, what you in particular tolerate well, whatever makes your body run reasonably well.

    You can devote a silly amount of time trying to eat an optimal, low-calorie, lowfat, high-protein, perfectly-whatever sort of diet.

    What does that gain you? Is all that time and energy worth it, when, if you get it right, you'll probably just die of something else instead? Sheesh, live a little. Have some bacon once in awhile, have some ice cream for dessert now and then. If you eat too much of something, your body will let you know anyway.

    Respect your body's intuition, and get some exercise. There's millions of years of research to back that up.

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    1. Re:Trade-offs by bozho · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree.

      It's amusing to observe what was considered healthy throughout history. "Drinking donkey urine/bathing in virgin blood will grant you eternal youth!", "High-fiber diet reduces colon cancer risk!"

      One of the recent ones was sent to me by a dentist friend - a radioactive toothpaste (1940ies):
      http://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/quackcures/toot hpaste.htm

      From the advertisment sample that I have:
      "RADIOACTIVE TOOTHPASTE - CREATES NATURAL FRESHNESS"

      "Gentle rays of Radium are active for 4 hours after application. It will remove plaque and oral inflammations, strengthen blood flow, keep your gums pink and strong, and your teeth as white as snow!"

  12. Just PLEASE don't take the "old" bacon away by melted · · Score: 2

    I'm afraid of this shit. I love bacon and eggs every now and then, and the same shit could happen with this as with corn - you can't buy non-GM corn flakes anymore unless you shop at an "organic" store and pay twice the price. Leave bacon alone, I say. Or at least clearly mark the non-GM variety so that I'd know which one to buy.

  13. Boneless chickens by adisakp · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now all we need to do is biologically engineer boneless chickens for those tasty "boneless" chicken wings :-)

  14. Re:What about the animals? by tpgp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whats the effect on them?

    Looking at the poultry industry (pdf warning) I'd say, any effects to the Pig's wellbeing (good or bad) will be irrelevant to the agribusiness owners & the vast majority of consumers.

    Quite sad - I have no problem with people eating meat, but knowingly choosing to eat something that's the end result of a life of torture is shocking.

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  15. And how is the taste ? by aepervius · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This remind me of those nice tomatoe which stay red a lot longer. And taste like water. Methink people concentrate too much on "not dying", and not enough on "living".

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  16. Clean food is good for you by canuck57 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Far too much is made of these improvements, if they are in fact improvements.

    My grandfather lived to be 92, and died 2 days after playing and dancing to fiddle at a wedding. After having 2 wives and 15 children it is not hard to see why he had a large farm. Being monetarily poor, everything was used and everything made from the farm and without chemicals or bio agents. He was a mixed farmer raising cattle, pigs, chickens and wheat.

    Well, to the point. None of the food, including eggs fried in suet every day, or the grease from the cattle or pig lard in bread, pastries or what amounts to steak-fried chicken ever hurt him. By modern days standards he should have died at 22 of a massive heart attack due to cholesterol alone.

    But one truth appears to be the chemicals, the bio "enhancements" and engineering of foods is what is killing many of us. Growth hormones get passed on through the food chain and tell our bodies to "put it on". Radiation sterilizes but also kills proteins we need and thus we eat more. Nitrate preservatives... The pesticide residues in steady feed but minute ("government accepted levels") linger and pass regularly down the food chain to humans. Who knows, your cow might have been grazed down wind of a chemical processing plant or drank water downstream from another city or chemical use agro farm with god knows what in it.

    It isn't just in livestock like chickens, pork and cattle. Seafood caught after rivers carry out taconite, lead, cadmium, chromium, mercury and a host of other impurities. The shrimp from Thailand to the Cod of the shores of Newfoundland all have similar issues.

    When it comes to tinkering about the food chain, we might want to concern ourselves about a species like the Leopard Frog that is sensitive to mans pollution and bio agents. There used to be lots of them, but haven't seen one for 20 years and I have looked. Never saw tumors in fish until the last 5 years either.

    Finding clean food is increasing becoming a problem. The problem is there are few places to grow clean food.

  17. Re:How about NOT bringing home the bacon... by dcapel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You know, no matter how rational of an argument you have, adding multiple question marks or exclamation points always takes credability points away in most people's books.

    Because of how the Internet works the only way we can tell how you mean stuff is how you write it -- caps is generally regarded as shouting, and 1337 conveys a stereotype, as does aimspeek. Similarly, using multiple punctuation marks leads to other stereotypes.

    I saw a rule of thumb for exclamation points once -- you should only use as many in a week as you have thumbs.

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  18. A farm kid's perspective... by jollygreengiantlikes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'll second what's been said already in reply to this comment.

    A couple facts:
    The pigs wouldn't exist save for being produced to be eaten by you and me.
    Think about the last time you were beaten/sick/etc. Did you eat well? Did you gain weight? Producers know that treating an animal as humanely as possible results in a better product and a larger profit.

    For further information, you might inspect the National Pork Board's website for information about the Pork Quality Assurance program: http://www.pork.org/Producers/PQA/PQA.aspx

    Another point: As a scientist, if the concerns for animal testing have been met, I see nothing but good information coming from such experimentation. People may be concerned about 'mutant' animals and their effects on humans who consume them, but without experimentation, we'll never find out.

    JGG