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Misconfigured Webserver, Threats to Call FBI

the_harlequin writes "The Register is reporting that a city manager threatened to call the FBI over a misconfigured webserver. From the article: "The heartland turned vicious this week when an Oklahoma town threatened to call in the FBI because its web site was hacked by Linux maker CentOS. Problem is CentOS didn't hack Tuttle's web site at all. The city's hosting provider had simply botched a web server." "

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  1. Re:!!!!~11111!!! by Vengeance · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The guy is a real piece of work. I liked this:

    "I am computer literate! I have 22 years in computer systems engineering and operation. Now, can you tell me how to remove 'your software' that you acknowledge you provided free of charge? I consider this 'hacking.'"

    22 years in systems engineering, but he hasn't got a clue as to how web sites operate. This guy epitomizes problems we all see every day: Incompetents who don't recognize their own incompetence. Then he compounds it by being an arrogant bastard and an overbearing, threatening weenie to boot.

    Nice.

    And these are the kinds of jackasses we ELECT to have power over us.

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  2. Re:!!!!~11111!!! by fabs64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    realising you're incompetent doesn't make you competent, it just means you're not ignorant to your incompetence.

  3. Re:the price of ignorance by REBloomfield · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So you're saying, if this guy's school had some money when he was there, he wouldn't have grown up a pompous prick?

  4. Re:Interesting study on incompetence by jsight · · Score: 5, Insightful

    by definition, it is impossible for a majority of people to be above average.


    No, it's not.
  5. Re:"I welcome this publicity" by beheaderaswp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With one caveat:

    The press is his town might not be savvy enough to understand what he did.

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  6. comic sans by BenjyD · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The guy's website provides further proof for the "low IQ and use of Comic Sans" correlation.

  7. to contact@tuttletimes.com by davids-world.com · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hi there,
    have you seen this one?
    The world seems to be laughing about your city administration...

    http://www.centos.org/modules/news/article.php?sto ryid=127

    Cheers
    Dave

  8. respect and dignity by dustwun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While the general response is to call for his incompetent head on a plate (not undeserved), we as a community should be making an effort to be polite to this idiot. If we want to continue the march of linux, we need to be prepared to deal with incompetence and people like this in a warm fashion, and mock them later with dignity and respect. If all he gets are threats, harrassing calls etc, he's going to assume that all linux people are alike, and that we're all terrorists and hackers. Please, if you're going to email/call/mock him, do so with dignity and respect as a member of the community. Don't prove him right by getting on his level. We're all better than him, so act like it.

    1. Re:respect and dignity by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Not a chance.

      If that man was merely deficient in his understanding of the situation, I would cringe at the state of civic appointments but would heed your advice and remain civil and polite towards him, as I would in most cases in my professional dealings, preserving the decorum of the conversation. That is because such decorum is what makes inter-personal interactions civil, friendly and as a result allows us to correct someone's gaps in education without insulting him.

      Unfortunately, Mr. Butthead chose to go ape at the first opportunity, displaying his obtuse arrogance and ample ill will, not to mention lack of any decorum to the point that any pretense of civility never existed. Add to this the insulting and egomaniac "apology", which seeks to blame everyone else for his wretched personality, combine this with his civil-servant status, and we have a situation where civic action, publicity and frankly, total destruction of his credibility in the public's eye is the only decent course of action.

      Although it is frequently not so, this case has nothing to do with our, Linux users's, attitudes and everything to do with his.

  9. Re:Interesting study on incompetence by uglyduckling · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Well -- I'm glad to hear you say that, because it annoys me when people say what the parent said -- but, of course, it depends on the definition.

    It is perfectly possible for the majority of people to be above the mean [average] or modal [average] but impossible for the majority to be above the median [average].

  10. Re:Ridiculous by ajs318 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    No, their web hosting company did something wrong, and the Operating System vendor was mistakenly blamed for the problem. Your DNS hosting, web hosting, mail hosting and database hosting can all be carried out by different companies. You can also do any of them yourself, if you have a static IP address {though DNS is more tricky than the others, requiring two static IP addresses}. When your Philips radio {powered by electricity from Powergen, paid for with tokens bought in a 24 hour Spar supermarket} goes silent in the middle of a Charlotte Church record during the Terry Wogan Show, who do you call?
    • The BBC?
    • Charlotte Church's record label?
    • Powergen?
    • Philips?
    • Mind you, this Jerry Taylor guy sounds like he probably has trouble dealing with hall-and-landing light switches.
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  11. Re:This is wrong! by sethadam1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry, Builder, but all this shows is that incompetents shouldn't be left in charge of IT. I would say it demonstrates the exact opposite of what you say. Clearly the city manager is unqualified and ignorant. The open source project helped him -- for free -- even when he threatened litigation! Ultimately, CentOS solved the problem for him too, outdoing the ISP he presumably pays.

    I would argue that this furthers the cause significantly, and as an aside, encourages towns to take IT seriously.

  12. Re:!!!!~11111!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    once while i was doing tech support early in my career, i helped a programmer who claimed he had ten years of experience....he hadn't a clue what DNS was, thus started a war...windows DNS settings in DUN have 0.0.0.0 when you first click on set DNS manually, than of course you enter your DNS....no, not with this guy, i gave him the DNS numbers and he yelled at me saying there was space only for 4 numbers and not the numbers i gave him. TWENTY FREAKIN mintues of listening to this guy bash me saying i was an idiot and that DNS only has 4 numbers, he completely refused to enter anything....i cracked (so much so that people around me were laughing), i started screaming at him and told him to STFU and do what i say and proceeded to scream instructions in very much detail and treated like an imbecile..finally got him back online, but i think the internet was worse off for him being there
     
    moral of this story is when people start of there conversation with "this is how much i know about ____" than they probably don't know much.

  13. Re:Interesting study on incompetence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Funny thing is, this "computer literate" is a prime example of how the majority of people can be above average.

    Proof of this is left as an excercise for the reader..

  14. Reading between the lines. by mark-t · · Score: 2, Insightful
    There is an interesting juxtaposition caused in the appearance of these two sentences side by side that I find somewhat revealing.
    "I am computer literate! I have 22 years in computer systems engineering and operation."

    It occurs to me that very few people who have had 22 years of computer systems experience would merely refer to themselves as "computer literate". It would be more likely that such a person with the claimed amount of experience would have asserted instead that he "knows what he's talking about", followed by the proclaimation announcing his years of experience. "Computer literate", ironically, is generally only used as a self-label by people who still don't *REALLY* know how their computer works. At least as far as I've seen.

    I expect, more likely, that has had had 22 years of experience of MANAGEMENT in the field, but not the actual hands-on stuff.

    (Threats of calling the FBI aside, he reminds me for some reason of the pointy-haired boss guy in Dilbert).

    1. Re:Reading between the lines. by porges · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, it was in response to the Centos guy telling him, twice, to find someone "computer literate" to fix the problem, so the Tuttle guy isn't the one who brought the term into the conversation.

  15. Re:!!!!~11111!!! by rwyoder · · Score: 2, Insightful
    22 years in systems engineering, but he hasn't got a clue as to how web sites operate. This guy epitomizes problems we all see every day: Incompetents who don't recognize their own incompetence.
    And is is a very good paper on the problem: http://www.phule.net/mirrors/unskilled-and-unaware .html
  16. Re:!!!!~11111!!! by utexaspunk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    realising you're incompetent doesn't make you competent, it just means you're not ignorant to your incompetence.

    Right- and awareness of one's incompetence with respect to a given task makes one a lot likely to attempt that task without assistance. It's okay to be incompetent and aware of it. Problems only arise when one attempts to do something they are incompetent at -whether they know it or not- the thing is that people don't frequently attempt something when they know they are incompetent unless they feel they have no choice but to try to do it themselves (e.g., the competent ones are unreachable, or make seeking assistance such a hassle, so expensive, or so degrading an experience as to make it an undesirable option)

  17. Re:Let's have a moment of silence ... by DrSkwid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Perhaps they were only contracted to set up the server & supply scp/ftp login detail so that someone with say, 22 years of experience, could upload the website.

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  18. Re:The PHB in question by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even better find out who is running against him next time and send him all this lovely info on how his city manager made the town a laughing stock. Even better lets see if we can push a new term into common it usage. The Tuttle effect. That is when thinking people are temporarily over whelmed by a single stupid bureaucrat. I wonder if we can get it into the Wikipedia. If not at least have this little claim to fame added under the entry for Tuttle OK.

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  19. Say it with me: Tel-e-phone by Anonymous+Custard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    After the first miscommunication over email, pick up the damn phone. Could have cleared this up in 5 minutes, no matter how idiotic the customer.

  20. Re:!!!!~11111!!! by ObitMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can open notepad and test if the capslock is on before logging in?
    totally incredibly amazing.

    Now if you had wrote "type password in user field to verify capslock" you wouldn't sound like a condescending asshole.

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