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Recounting Bioware's Baldur's Gate II

radicalskeptic writes "In the latest installment of Gamespot's series modestly titled 'The Greatest Games of All Time', the editors review Bioware's RPG classic from 2000: Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn. The article is a broad overview of the game and touches on the game's innovations, comments on its historical significance, and includes a section devoted to BGII's romantic subplot. Gamespot concludes that 'all in all, Baldur's Gate II is a towering achievement in the history of role-playing games, giving you a huge world to explore, plenty of well-drawn NPCs to argue with or get romantic with, and an engaging story that's simultaneously epic and personal.'"

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  1. There will never be another BGII ... by arcite · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Call me pathetic. But I have a standing game of BGII still on my hard drive and I haven't yet finished the game! I stopped somewhere around the first level of watchers keep. I just don't want this game to end! I have started and restarted different parties around 5 or 6 times over the last few years, but have yet to actually go the distance to finish it off once and for all. I guess some games can do that to you. Its like reading a good book. You know that you will have to finish it eventually...but all the while at the back of your mind you know that there will never be another book written like it ever again. :::sigh::: So long to the era of 2d isometric, hand drawn masterpieces of yore. I salute you!

    1. Re:There will never be another BGII ... by dyslexicbunny · · Score: 2, Informative

      The original is just as good. I recently bought the Icewind Dale Collection too so when school finishes up in five weeks, I can start playing it. Plus I have KotOR 2 as well to play. And potentially Neverwinter Nights and those modules... I wish these other games had modules that could be played as well.

      I really wanted to go through and replay the game again but considering the time it took me, I don't know if I would be willing to. But at the same time, the game is so open-ended that you could almost play forever if you wanted to and just do all the side quests instead.

      I just wish that more RPGs like this would release soon. Bioware's Dragonage looks great but if they never release it, we may just make as much fun of it as we do DNF.

  2. Re:Revist? So soon? by c0l0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    The char's name is "Minsc", not "Minc". Always remember that. That, and to...
    "Go for the eyes, Boo! Go for the eyes!! AAAAARGH!!!"
     
    ;-)

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  3. Let's Not Forget Boo by Forgery · · Score: 3, Funny

    The Giant Space Hamster:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_space_hamster
    "Go for the eyes, Boo, go for the eyes!"

  4. Re:NPCs to warm your sleeping furs at night? by MajroMax · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Baldur's Gate II [gives] you a huge world to explore, plenty of well-drawn NPCs to argue with or get romantic with...

    *shudder*

    Not really -- it's only as "creepy" as a fantasy novel with romantic subplot. Baldur's Gate II was extremely well-written, and the overall experience was like a novel wrapped up with D&D game mechanics. Most notably, the NPC's behaved in a believable way, with inner conflicts and personality flaws.

    The sex, if it happened, was entirely "offstage", referred to only in dialogue, and occured only within the framework of a deeper romantic subplot.

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  5. Memorable Quotes by kahanamoku · · Score: 2, Funny

    Been a while, but I think the busty ladies in town used to say:

    "Hey sexy, would you like to take a look at my titties?!"

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  6. Best combonation... by steveo777 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    EVER! Minsc, Boo (the Miniature Giant Space Hampster) and Lilicor (the talking sword). It never gets old listeng to their banter! Okay, Boo doesn't say much, but Lilicor's occational outburst never fails to bring a smile to my face.

    The romances were always kind of stange, though. The one with Jahiera was just wrong. Her husband died not 4 days before she starts macking on you (I know the patch fixed this, but still...). Aerie is too annoying to complete because she's got a consitent mindset of a 14 year old. Never got around to doing the one with the drow. (Now that I think of it, all the male romances were with elves...). I haven't played a female charecter, but I've listened to some of Anomen's rants and he complains about everything.

    I think the best part about BGII was the Infiniti Engine's, well, infinite ability for mods. There's a whole community devoted to modding it. So, now, there isn't any lack for content. I would, however, love another iteration. Good work Bioware!

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  7. Re:Revist? So soon? by Aglassis · · Score: 2, Funny

    Also remember:

    "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, watch it! I'm huge!"

    Minsc is the best CRPG character ever!

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    Suddenly, the hairy finger of a familiar monkey tapped me on the shoulder. It was time.--G. T.
  8. Re:Revist? So soon? by double-oh+three · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dear Sir,

    I represent the Cult of the Miniature Giant Space Hamster, and we would like to correct your previous statement. You have misrendered the glorious mentor Minsc's famous quote, with which we end our prayer services. It is correctly rendered "Go for the eyes, Boo! Go for the eyes!! RRAAAAWRGH!!!"
     
    Thank You,
     
    Arca Heradel
    Level 20 Human Sorcerer/Thief
    Bhaalspawn
    "Slaying Black and Red Dragons since '98"

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  9. meh... by Jurrasic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Even though I am a huge old school RPG gamer (if you haven't won Ultima IV, you have no RPG cred with me)and player of AD&D from age 10, I really could not get into Baldur's gate (or BGII) in the slightest. The first time I loaded BG with high expectations, the first thing I see is that annoying 'hehe, it's me Emowyn!' girl giggling and following me around. I started to grate my teeth right then, she's the only fictional character I disliked on sight more then Jar Jar Binks and after she followed me again after the death of my mentor, I told her to piss off and stop following me and she called me a 'rum duke' so I killed her and deleted the game off my HD and never looked back.

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    1. Re:meh... by Aglassis · · Score: 2, Informative

      Did you also throw away the Lord of the Rings books after the Tom Bombadil section?

      BG2 is like the LotR in that it has silly parts. But those parts in no way trivialize the epic nature of the story. You should try BG or BG2. Perhaps warm up by playing Planescape: Torment. If you like Planescape: Torment, then you will probably love BG and BG2.

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      Suddenly, the hairy finger of a familiar monkey tapped me on the shoulder. It was time.--G. T.
    2. Re:meh... by VStrider · · Score: 4, Informative
      From what I have heard from a LOT of people, I should really give Planescape Torment a go.
      Add one more in that list of people. Planescape: Torment is the best RPG you can get on a pc. The BG series was very good, though not up to par with torment.

      The story is very original, the game is very well written. It seems they had DMs on the design team.
      You get quests, not your typical fedex quests(you know, go fetch this and bring it back then take this to this guy etc), but quests where you'll need to think. It's not like BG, you don't have to finish all quests to continue, and some you never will. Some quests you won't discover at all. The ones you'll solve, some you'll solve them right away and some after a long time. You can pick up any items you'll find, some of them might have something to do with a future quest or they might be totally useless. But you cann't carry everything with you. And you cann't be certain which items are useful. Sometimes, even garbage might be of some use.

      You don't choose an alignment for your character, it chooses you. (soviet russia comes to mind) Depending how you play your alignment will form accordingly.

      I could tell you alot more but I'll let you see the game yourself. As you probably realised, this isn't for gamers but for D&D players. ie. if you expect and demand to open every door, solve everything, collect everything and see everything there is to see, then you might be dissapointed. If on the other hand you are a D&D player and you've been dissapointed before by the rest of hack'n'slash mighty magic pseudoRPGs, then you're in for a treat with this one.

      I've talked in the past with friends who finished torment and each one's gameplay and experiences was totally different.
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      VStrider.
    3. Re:meh... by 2008 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ha, that would be a cool thing for an evil character to aim for - scorched Earth, no living things left in the entire game.

      I think a lot of the enemies respawn though :(

      Maybe there should be a mod to prevent enemies spawning more than once and track how many kills to go? Something like in Doom where it would give you "25 of 37" enemies but with "1124 of 30095".

      And of course you can't get past 99.997% and win without suiciding...

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      I quit!
  10. Baldur's Gate & Multi-CD Drives... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I remembered when Baldur's Gate came out with 5 or 6 CDs. It was a pain to be switching CDs every so often unless you had one of those multi-CD CDROM drives where you could load all the CDs into a magazine and the transition time between CDs was minimal. That was the hottest toy to get if you were playing that game. I was working at Accolade (which eventually became Atari) at the time. Most of the QA testers would stay until the early morning hours playing that game together. The game was eventually banned from the lab since too many zombies were living on three hours of sleep.

    1. Re:Baldur's Gate & Multi-CD Drives... by fm6 · · Score: 2, Informative
      Having misplaced my original copy, I just bought a replacement. The best change in the final version is that they found a way to compress it down to 3 disks, and even those can be cached on your hard drive if you have the room.

      The worst change is that the manual is now available only on PDF. And the current distributor doesn't even bother to tell you where to look for it!

  11. Wrong Universe? by fm6 · · Score: 2, Funny
    Most of the familiar characters returned from the first game, including Imoen, a somewhat naïve fellow orphan and fledgling mage/thief...
    When I play BG as an evil person, the first thing I always do is murder Imoen (irritating little twerp) and take that magic rose of hers.
    ...Jaheira, a druid harper who was obsessed with keeping your character on a path balanced between good and evil...
    Again, if you're playing as an evil character, it doesn't make sense to go looking for Jaheira — just head on south with those two crazy dudes. Which is another reason to dispense with Imoen — you don't need two thieves.
    ... and the fan favorite Minsc, an eccentric ranger who kept his pet, Boo, a miniature "giant space hamster," on his person at all times.
    Oops! Last time I met Minsc, I had to kill him, even though my character was a goodie-goodie. I was rude to his hamster, and he attacked me!
  12. Re:NPCs to warm your sleeping furs at night? by fm6 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I had a friend who was very fond of the sex thing in BG2. Her only complaint was that her female character was only allowed to get it on with guys....

  13. Re:one of my favorite games! by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Informative
    Anybody got tips on how to beat Mind Flayers? I can't seem to do anything to stop the Psionic Blasts. The gnome is fine usually, but everyone else is near vulnerable, especially Jaheira (she's lvl 14).

    Summon stuff. You've got Jaheira with you? IIRC, Fire Elementals made short work of most of those illithid nests..

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  14. Best Quotes by alexgieg · · Score: 2, Funny

    "No one crosses the Shadow Thieves... and LIVES!!!"

    "Silence, dog! Your only purpose is to die by MY hand!"

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