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Nanomedicine Patent Thickets Threaten Future

cheesedog writes "Over 5000 nanomedicine/nanotech patents have now been granted, and the patent land grab continues unabated. Dr. Raj Bawa says, "Patent thickets are considered to discourage and stifle innovation. Claims in such patent thickets have been characterized as often broad, overlapping and conflicting - a scenario ripe for massive patent litigation battles in the future." According to Bawa, nanomedicine start-ups may soon find themselves in patent disputes with large, established companies, as well as between themselves. In most of the patent battles the larger entity with the deeper pockets will rule the day even if the innovators are on the other side."

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  1. Worse than kudzu, I tells ya by Giant+Ape+Skeleton · · Score: 3, Funny

    The worst thing about Nano Patent Thickets is that they're fractally recursive.
    You can hack your way through them, though...if you've got a small enough machete.

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    1. Re:Worse than kudzu, I tells ya by flyingsquid · · Score: 4, Funny

      I warned everyone that nanotech was a bad idea. Now what do we have? Nanopatents. Tiny, self-replicating patents. Soon, they will reproduce and patent everything on the planet, down to the last molecule, at which point all life on earth will drown in a sea of litigation.

    2. Re:Worse than kudzu, I tells ya by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Funny

      How many nano patent lawyers do you have to kill and skin to make a pair of patent leather shoes anyway?

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  2. Definetly not surprising by phiber9 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It happens in every industry. Too bad they're gonna sue each other ASAP. Spending money curing people and developing nanotech is just a dream.

  3. 5000 nanomedicine patents bad news? by ChrisGilliard · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can someone tell me why this is bad news? Why is the assumption that innovation will be followed by excessive litigation? Even though there have been patent lawsuits that are meritless, I can only see the amount of innovation in this area as a good thing.

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    1. Re:5000 nanomedicine patents bad news? by Raul654 · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Why is the assumption that innovation will be followed by excessive litigation?" - Well, for starts, how about because it's demonstrably true? With the availability of the human genome, we should be seeing an EXPLOSION in the number of drug treatments for various diseases. And yet, how many medicines gained FDA approval in 2005 for use on humans? 20. Yep - lowest number ever. And the reason? Pharmasetical companies are content to keep making the drugs they have patents on, and not to any new research.

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    2. Re:5000 nanomedicine patents bad news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Why is the assumption that innovation will be followed by excessive litigation?"

      That's not the assumption at all. The assumption is that 5000 patents doesn't equal 5000 inventions. Far more likely, it means 4000 obvious applications of things whose true inventors will never see a cent, 990 "land-grab" patents which don't cover anything real but will be used to sue the pants off anyone doing anything real in the future, and, being extremely generous, 10 truly groundbreaking creations.

    3. Re:5000 nanomedicine patents bad news? by yeOldeSkeptic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Its bad news because if someone tried to patent A Method of Using Nanotechnology To Cure Mammalian Organic Diseases and was granted the license, then that person can sue almost everyone who comes up with a nano*** to cure any human diseases.

      It's like someone getting a patent for A Method of Protecting Human Habitats from the Elements. Everyone who builds a roof over a house now owes a license fees to the patent holder. OK, so there is prior art with roofs, but is there such a prior art with the new and exciting field of nanotechnology? I guess not.

      The US Patent System is severely broken and must be fixed, somehow. Otherwise, truly innovative companies may just decide to move their businesses to China or India and do their manufacturing there.

      I remember the time during the 1980's when the US State Department hobbled almost every computer company which tried to export their goods with a thicket of regulations and bureaucratic red tape. It was feared that the Intel 8088 CPU is so advanced that it constitutes supercomputer technology that could be of military use! Hence export restrictions on Intel, Apple, IBM, etc.

      The net result of those restrictions was that Intel, Fairchild, and other semiconductor companies moved their manufacturing facilities to sites in Mexico, Europe, the Philippines, Malaysia, etc. Sites that are beyond the reach of US Government export restrictions.

      We are seeing a similar exportation of technology again with regards to stem cell research. If the patent system is not fixed soon, nanotechnology may soon follow the same offshoring trend.

    4. Re:5000 nanomedicine patents bad news? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful
      With the availability of the human genome, we should be seeing an EXPLOSION in the number of drug treatments for various diseases. And yet, how many medicines gained FDA approval in 2005 for use on humans? 20. Yep - lowest number ever

      What?

      Your thesis is that by knowing the human genome, then drug treatments for diseases logically follow. Sorry, but although that may be the promise of genomics, the actual yield of useful therapeutics remains to be seen. You don't automagically understand the molecular pathways of the normal process and the disease just by staring at the DNA sequence. Lots of hard work, luck, time and money have to get done before a pill rolls out of the bottle. Not that I'm trying to apologize for big pharma's incredible waste and inefficiency, not to mention bizzare and shady business practices (some of which have to do with technology, very little have to do with nanotech).

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    5. Re:5000 nanomedicine patents bad news? by DrunkenTerror · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, I remember that. The story was that import restrictions on computers left the Iraq regime strapped for computing resources, and an easy way to get around that was to buy PS2's and use them to crunch numbers. Here's 1 link: http://ps2.ign.com/articles/089/089251p1.html

    6. Re:5000 nanomedicine patents bad news? by Flyboy+Connor · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Compare it with domain names.

      There was a time when the Internet did not exist. Suddenly it was there, and there was a way of navigating it easily from scratch: by using domain names. The problem was that every domain name had to be unique. Big companies jumped in quickly and reserved .com. A few small companies were also lucky. Then we saw the rise of the domain-name-grabber: suddenly EVERY domain name .com, .net, .org, and . was registered. The domain name grabbers had no use for any of these names, they just wanted to place their big butt in a spot that was desirable, even necessary, to occupy by others, so that they could receive a fat stack of bills to move that butt.

      There is not much difference between the domain-name-grab and the patent-grab. It is not that hard to generate patents nowadays. It is no longer required to have an actual implementation of a patent ready, it is enough to formulate an idea. Hell, I could (with the help of a lawyer) write a computer program that generates patent claims and automatically sends them off to the USPTO. Most of the texts will be silly, but a few will have meaning; those will be awarded (maybe I make it sound a bit too easy here, you need to do a prior art search for each patent claim, but I guess I can come up with a program that uses the text of previously awarded patents to generate new patents, and then list those previously awarded patents as prior art). The only snag is that it costs too much money to get all those patent claims verified. But with a little bit of insight, it is pretty easy to write down a patent claim (by hand) for something that does not exist yet, but that someone will probably invent in the coming ten years. Maybe only one in ten of such patent claims will actually come true, but if your pockets are deep enough, no problem: the one that actually comes true will bring in enough dough in the end to make you rich. At the expense of the actual innovator.

      But it is worse: even those patent claims that seem to be worthless can be made worthwhile by a lawyer who just starts litigating some successful startup claiming that they violated this worthless patent. The startup might see that the claim is worthless, but cannot afford the costs involved in defending his case, and rather pay off the shark on his back. And make no mistake: the patent troll companies are all filled with lawyers and only lawyers; they make their living by sueing the crap out of people who actually produce something.

      So, it is not "the more patents, the worse we are off", but "the more worthless patents without supporting implementation, in the hands of patent trolls, the worse we are off."

    7. Re:5000 nanomedicine patents bad news? by Aceticon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Patent landgrabs are done pretty much according to the following method:

      a) Make a list of existent business processes
      b) Make a cross list of all entries from a) with all latest technology trend words/expressions (eg "over a network", "wireless", "with nanobots ). Thus for example "A method to deliver text messages" can become "A method to deliver text messages over a network" (e-mail/im) or "A method to wirelessly deliver text messages" (eg sms).
      c) Patent as many as you can
      d) Wait a couple of years
      e) Sue the pants out of anybody that actually came up with a way of MAKING HAPPEN any of your algorithmic generated "ideas".

      A couple of years ago one would generate patents using expressions such as "wireless" or "over a network" nowadays it's "nanobots" or "genetic".

      The only in any way innovative thing any such an "inventor" does is figure out the most likelly trends to blossom in the coming 10 years - all the rest is algorithmic.

      Another way is to pick up a couple of industry specialists, put them on a room together for a couple of days and pay them to "come up with ideas". Then just try to patent any of those ideas.

      The current patent process will actually grants monopoly rights based on this.

      How exactly does granting protection to an algoritmically-generated or pulled-out-somebodies-ass abstract idea (without actually stating a working way to actually do it) that at some point we might have "A method to build macro-structures using nanobots" helps advance technology?

    8. Re:5000 nanomedicine patents bad news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sigh, another day at slashdot of patent bashing.

      If I think flying cars are going to be produced in the next 10 years. I can't get a patent just by writing a claim that says:

      1. An apparatus comprising:
      a car; and
      a flight engine attached to said car allowing said car to fly.

      There is really nothing wrong with this claim, the problem is going to come in the description. 35 U.S.C. 112 is the written description, and it requires the specification (the part before the claims) and figures to adequately support the claims and explain how it works. While the claim can be cast in these fluffy terms like "flight engine". If a person of skill in the art wouldn;t know what a flight engine is the patent is going to be invalid unless its adequately described in the specification.

  4. Great News!!!! by Dr_Marvin_Monroe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why of course, the sooner these folks are granted their "over-broad" patents, the sooner they'll expire, leaving the field WIDE-OPEN.....

    Perhaps we could see a situation where the first of these patents are expiring before the first real nano-technology is available! By all means guys... get your patents in early, the earlier the better.

    I seem to recall there was a catch though....Didn't you need to actually be able to "do" the thing you were going to patent? I seem to recall that was part of the test, that it actually needed to be possible at the time you were patenting something, not just a crack-pipe dream....

    1. Re:Great News!!!! by barefootgenius · · Score: 3, Interesting
      A thought. Perhaps, this whole patent issue is just a metter of perspective. Perhaps, from a top down viewpoint, our governments do not care about these issues because in reality they benefit from them.

      For instance;
      *Would you prefer to deal with many small companies or a few large ones?
      *Would dealing with a few companies allow for better forcasting?
      *Would you prefer to deal with people you know, or people you don't?

      If smaller companies are litigated out of existence in patent litigation, then how does the government loose. The method is still available, the owner of the method has many more resources to put it into practice, and the government still makes its money on taxes.

      From a top down viewpoint, it would seem be a hell of a lot easier to only have to watch a few companies, deal with a few persons, and have stability.


      Of course, I'm probably totally wrong (it's my day for it). What do you think?

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  5. The real reason the FDA has been so slow by stox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Vioxx. After that disaster, they're still trying to figure out which end is up. As is typical for a government agency, they have swung from one extreme to the other.

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  6. Background on Dr. Bawa by Infonaut · · Score: 3, Informative

    This "article" is really a press release from a company that serves as "the missing link between buyers and suppliers of nanomaterials." However, Dr. Bawa seems to be someone who knows a lot about the subject and has been talking about this to anyone who will listen.

    My knowledge of nanotech could fill a nanotube, but I pay attention when someone who does seem to be deeply involved in nanotech raises the alarm about this tide of patents.

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  7. What happens when other counties . . . by pembo13 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What happens when other counties? Seriously? What can the USA realistically do? Impose sactions and/or invade the infringing countries?

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  8. Foreign Front by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think one of the fronts for patent reform will come from outside the US border, when other countries finally wise up and simply make it their national policy to ignore stupid patents (or all patents).

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  9. And so begins the outsourcing of nano biotech by Heir+Of+The+Mess · · Score: 2, Informative
    Suppose I'm some scientist who makes a nano-biotech break-through (NBTBT). Then I look at this big pile of overbroad patents of supposed NBTBTs. I must say the thought would cross my mind that I should simply take all my work, and move to a country that is more innovation-friendly rather than a collective bunch of money grabbing litigators.

    For the true Einstein like scientist, what would be his/her motivation to stay in a western country? Seriously?

    If this doesn't change then in 50 years time we are going to find ourselves being totally owned by the other half of the world.

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  10. China and America by tehanu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In China from the Ming dynasty onwards the bureaucrats strangled innovation allowing the West to catch up and starting from the mid-19th century overtake it (a famous example is Zheng He's fleet). The result was the collapse of what had for most of human history had been the largest economy in the world (China) and the rise of the West. Looks like America's patent system is going to repeat history.

  11. A contrarian view, but probably right! by fortinbras47 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I was just recently at a conference with several venture capital guys doing work on nano-technology. Those guys are pouring money into nano-tech and I doubt they would be doing that if they didn't have patents.

    I'm not saying the patent system doesn't have problems, but that patents DO play an extremely important role in creating the incentives to develop technology and to bring certain technologies to market. Even after a researcher/inventor has a completely working prototype, I think most people underestimate the vast amount of resources required to setup a company, produce a product efficiently, and actually sell the goddamn thing (especially something difficult to manufacture like nano-tech). Patents play a critical role in giving business people and companies the incentives to make that happen. Nanomaterials is probably the furthest along commercially; Quite a few nano material companies exist and several already have commercial products. I think we'd be much further back if not for the strong IP system in the US.

    If I had mod points I would have modded the parent post up! (I'd also wager some biased moderator will mod it as troll because the post is pro-IP, but hopefully I'm wrong.)

  12. can you spell swaying the patent system ? by pbf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well the article is interesting in that at least people now recognize publically that patenting some technology is viewed as the best way to stiffle competition. This is probably not surprising to most slashdotters but opinions like this are important outside the geek community.

    This really tells how a system that was devised to foster inovation by disclosing discoveries (i.e. help build the competition) is now used as a way to do the exact opposite thanks to various flaws in our current economic model, namely:

    - lack of proper validation of the patents (for some parts only, really if you think about it: there is nothing wrong in stating and formalizing something obvious, it is just not terribly usefull on a knowledge sharing level)

    - the current state of the legal system that always favors the richer and the more powerfull (this is the main issue really, and this is not limited to patents.) Fixing this is beyond the power of any government I am afraid as it is really deeply rooted in the way society works, not only in the states but anywhere.

    - of course this situation is not made any better by governments too happy to support it and not willing to assess the situation fairly.

    Really the all thing is an indication of how our modern world works now: a new knowledge far west: the only rule is how much money you have (i.e. do you have the better gun ?)

    Oh well, and finally for the obligatory slashdot reference:

    1. patent something (preferrably usefull, obvious or not)
    2. ???
    3. profit

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  13. America currently winning "The War on Innovation" by styryx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I know this will get flamed to hell by all those who know better, but if you can follow the idea/intent and not so much the specifics....

    So here's my idea, extremely shorten the life of a patent! (Say 5 years.)

    Reasoning: A company or person spends some time, some money, thinks about it and comes up with this great innovative thing. As a reward for this they are allowed to do whatever the hell they want with it for the time period to establish themselves as a brand, develop the technology etc... If they're innovative (and they'll have to be now to survive) then they'll always stay ahead of the game and hence will keep getting paid (a 5 year headstart is a lot in technology). If they sit back just to collect bucks then it will be finite and still run out.

    This way they can charge companies who want to use up-to-the-minute technology and when the idea becomes out of date, or commonplace/practice (e.g. MP4 !FU2BELL!) then it's anyone's game.

    There are i'm sure a lot of dissadvantages to this, i'm not saying it's perfect, but even this is a shit load better than what is already in place.

    I guess to cut it short there needs to be a patent system that
    1) REWARDS INNOVATION
    2) PUNISHES TROLLS

    If you're 5 years ahead of the game before the competition can even start developing that technology, get in.

    Maybe not even make it free, but say reduce it's costs to like a 1/3 of the price. I'm rambling and typing quickly, apologies.