So the people working in these factories are worse off than they were before they moved to the city to get jobs at the factories. On top of that, their jobs at the factory will be taken by my robots, so they'll be even worse off than before, right? I expect we'll see waves of people moving from the cities back to the countryside, so they can take up backbreaking farm labor, right?
Getting a movie made, particularly one with this kind of history behind it, isn't a linear path from initial concept to finished product. This thing is in its very early stages. Arndt is a damned fine writer, certainly better than any of the sharpshooters here on Slashdot. Disney turns out good movies and bad. It's too early to have any idea what the final outcome will be, but I am happy they picked Arndt to write the screenplay.
In other words, naiive hipsters who don't really know much about business yet think business cards are dead. Judging what's going on in the real world by what you encounter at SXSW is a losing game.
Nimmer is the real deal. He wrote the definitive treatise on copyright law. It is cited in more judicial opinions than any other scholarly work on the subject. That doesn't mean Google is necessarily screwed, but it certainly means this is a serious matter.
Despite the persistent belief that copyleft and the GPL are antithetical to copyright law, nothing could be further from the truth. The GPL relies on copyright law; without copyright there could be no GPL. Google's attitude seems to be that copyright is merely a hassle, an obstacle to be routed around. Even if they are not found to be legally in violation of the GPL, they obviously Bionic with the deliberate intent of routing around it.
If openness is a virtue, what is sort-of-openness?
I thought the discussion was about mainstream adoption of open source software.
... writing silly GUIs for things that don't need it and others like you that insist on having everything done for you tells me you'd rather be having a different discussion altogether. OSS will continue to be marvelous for geeks and ignored by end users if you believe you're building the software solely for yourself. It's perfectly valid to build software for yourself and for those like you, but you can't expect that people unlike you will start using OSS.
Yeah, the title reads like "Adolf Hitler On Tolerance and Equal Opportunities".
Yes, because Microsoft is killing millions and MdI is collaborating with them on a nuclear weapon. This is not a discussion about different approaches to creating and distributing software.
OpenLogic found that among the applications that use the Apache or GPL/LGPL licenses, the compliance rate was only 29%. Android compliance was 27% and iPhone/iOS compliance was 32%. Overall compliance of Android applications using the GPL/LGPL was 0%.
Agreed. But what I find most interesting about this discussion is that the article is thin on facts, so most of us are basing our alternative plans on only the sparsest information. Also, the strong thread of mistrusting government is bleeding over into what is essentially a technical discussion. The merits of compensating the owners or not has nothing to do with the technical solution of how to most safely and efficiently dispose of the explosives. You can say what you want about Homeland Security dipshits, but law enforcement demolitions experts have been doing this sort of work for a long time, and they have demonstrated technical competence. Mistrusting them because they work for government is just as stupid as trusting them merely because they work for the government.
From TFA: "It may be seen as a historic shift, but it is one that tells more about the creation of a new market, mobile and tablet computing, than the decline of an older one, the PC. Shipments of personal computers will continue to increase even as they are surpassed by other devices."
In spite of the fact that "some 40 experts on bombs and hazardous materials from across the country and at least eight national laboratories..." have decided on this course of action, all of us World of Warcraft players and PHP developers have concluded it's a bad idea to handle it this way.
We live in an age in which it is more important to entertain than to inform.
Do you think this is different than in any other age?
Actually, yes, I do. It is different. Before the mainstream news media became centralized and under the control of a handful of conglomerates, it was different. The differences in television news in particular are striking; look at newscasts from 1970, 1980, 1990, 2000, and 2010 and the descent into infotainment is quite clear.
I have no real issue buying a wii and an xbox; but I'm not going to carry around multiple phones.
You seem to be saying that it's not really a matter of whether there's a monopoly or not; your primary interest is in being able to buy whatever apps you want for your phone. At the same time you are not so interested in being able to buy whatever games you want for your game console.
Is Microsoft exercising a legally recognizable monopoly when it limits what games can be developed for XBox? Is Sony exercising a legal monopoly when it does the same for PlayStation? Is every hardware vendor that restricts software development on its platform exercising a legal monopoly?
The point isn't to be accurate; it's to be engaging. We live in an age in which it is more important to entertain than to inform. Look at all the hack prognosticators in the business and technology press who make a living making predictions – most of them are wildly off the mark but nobody cares enough to go back and call them on their failures.
You seem to be saying that Apple's store is a monopoly, and that Android will prevail. Those seem to be contradictory statements.
As for the mobile phone market being a repeat of the PC market, I don't think that's likely. Apple may not continue to dominate, but I have a hard time seeing Android dominating, because while Microsoft could erect high barriers to entry in the form of Office and hardware licensing arrangement, Google has no such leverage with Android.
You don't have to have dominant market share in order to obtain high profits and long term growth. Just look at Apple's performance in the PC sector.
Mobile app stores: BlackBerry App World, Google Android App Market, Nokia Ovi Store, Palm App Catalog, and Windows Marketplace for Mobile. Android App Market has over 30k apps and is growing rapidly.
Mobile operating systems: Blackberry, Android, Symbian, Palm, Windows Phone. By some measures Android has already overtaken iOS in marketshare.
Mobile hardware OEMs: Nokia, LG, Samsung, HTC, RIM, Motorola. Apple is well behind the leaders in global volume of mobile hardware sales.
So if we're talking about smartphone operating systems, Apple does not have a monopoly. Nor does it have a monopoly in mobile hardware. Finally, it doesn't have a monopoly on mobile application app stores.
Apple controls on its own app store, in the same way that Amazon controls its online store, or Microsoft controls the XBox Live Marketplace. You can call it a monopoly if you like, but there the fact that Apple decides not to allow some apps in its store does not curtail consumer choice at a level that comes even remotely close to being a monopoly.
So the bottom line is that you feel current copyright law can only be the result of bribery? I agree that current copyright law has significant problems, but the fact that Big Media has a powerful lobby does not mean bribery is necessarily involved. You can accuse me of being naive, but we are talking about the law, and the law does not support accusations that are without proof.
Where did you get that idea? Comment and Criticism is at the heart of Fair Use Doctrine.
As for the most effective means of refutation, line by line or paragraph-by-paragraph refutation of a work of any length might be effective in the abstract, but I doubt most people would read it. In practice it is more effective to create a general framework of critique, and use selective quotes to drive your point home. This is likely why there hasn't been a hue and cry about the stifling inability in our culture to engage in argument.
I also don't understand why you put law in quotes. It is law, whether you understand it or not.
It's absurd that Brett's comment was modded down to 0 and flagged as a troll. He wasn't making ad hominem attacks, nor was he goading other Slashdotters. Just because you don't believe in someone's argument doesn't mean they're trolling.
Poor moderation.
You can't "police" terrorism, and we didn't declare war on everyone who disagreed with us. I get the point you're trying to make, but talk about hyperbole.
You can make law enforcement and the rule of law your primary means of fighting terrorism, rather than leading with the military and supporting that with extra-legal activity. The two are vastly different approaches.
I take your point about hyperbole. We obviously didn't declare war on everyone who disagreed with us. But we also needlessly turned plenty of sympathetic friends into wary neutrals or opponents very quickly, by painting this as a war of good v. evil, rather than a fight to extinguish a few nationless pirates.
The primary value of catching the "perpetrators" is deterrence for others.
The primary value is stopping further activity by the perpetrators. The secondary value is deterring others. By treating this as a war, we have not only failed to take out the perpetrators (remember that guy, what's his name.. oh yes, I remember now: Osama bin Laden), we have recruited many thousands of fighters for al-Qaeda and related groups. When you engage in police activity, you target the perpetrator. When you invade two countries and engage in military operations in several others, you turn people who would otherwise be bystanders into combatants.
Putting terrorists in jail will not deter those in the future - they are already willing to die for their cause, no threat of punishment will prevent them from going ahead.
What cause? Initially they had a small cause. Now we have made it a much larger one. As for threat of punishment as a deterrent, you are assuming that all terrorists are suicide bombers, which is definitely not the case. Suicide bombers make up a third of the people who engage in terrorist acts across the globe.
So the idea that you are going to identify the "criminals" and put them in jail/execute them presumes that you will just take the hit, no matter the cost, and deal with the aftermath. That's why the "policing" concept has utterly failed.
You seem to be basing your entire argument on the belief that police activity does not deter criminal activity. That is simply untrue. It also presumes that the alternative the US has used, engaging the enemy with primarily military means, somehow is a more effective deterrent, when study after study has shown that it has turned many otherwise politically ambivalent people into combatants.
Further, you state that policing has failed. The United States hasn't even tried that approach.
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So the people working in these factories are worse off than they were before they moved to the city to get jobs at the factories. On top of that, their jobs at the factory will be taken by my robots, so they'll be even worse off than before, right? I expect we'll see waves of people moving from the cities back to the countryside, so they can take up backbreaking farm labor, right?
The next thing you know, they'll be using robots in automobile and aircraft factories!
Getting a movie made, particularly one with this kind of history behind it, isn't a linear path from initial concept to finished product. This thing is in its very early stages. Arndt is a damned fine writer, certainly better than any of the sharpshooters here on Slashdot. Disney turns out good movies and bad. It's too early to have any idea what the final outcome will be, but I am happy they picked Arndt to write the screenplay.
In other words, naiive hipsters who don't really know much about business yet think business cards are dead. Judging what's going on in the real world by what you encounter at SXSW is a losing game.
As several of you have noticed, I was thinking of the wrong Nimmer. Sorry, folks! Please mod my original post down -1 Stupid.
Nimmer is the real deal. He wrote the definitive treatise on copyright law. It is cited in more judicial opinions than any other scholarly work on the subject. That doesn't mean Google is necessarily screwed, but it certainly means this is a serious matter.
Despite the persistent belief that copyleft and the GPL are antithetical to copyright law, nothing could be further from the truth. The GPL relies on copyright law; without copyright there could be no GPL. Google's attitude seems to be that copyright is merely a hassle, an obstacle to be routed around. Even if they are not found to be legally in violation of the GPL, they obviously Bionic with the deliberate intent of routing around it.
If openness is a virtue, what is sort-of-openness?
OMG! It's like these people in government are human beings with nuanced opinions and conflicting constituencies!
I thought the discussion was about mainstream adoption of open source software.
Yeah, the title reads like "Adolf Hitler On Tolerance and Equal Opportunities".
Yes, because Microsoft is killing millions and MdI is collaborating with them on a nuclear weapon. This is not a discussion about different approaches to creating and distributing software.
Anything that helps make detecting cancer cheaper, easier, and faster is good in my book.
From the press release for the study:
OpenLogic found that among the applications that use the Apache or GPL/LGPL licenses, the compliance rate was only 29%. Android compliance was 27% and iPhone/iOS compliance was 32%. Overall compliance of Android applications using the GPL/LGPL was 0%.
Experts come up with stupid ideas all the time.
Agreed. But what I find most interesting about this discussion is that the article is thin on facts, so most of us are basing our alternative plans on only the sparsest information. Also, the strong thread of mistrusting government is bleeding over into what is essentially a technical discussion. The merits of compensating the owners or not has nothing to do with the technical solution of how to most safely and efficiently dispose of the explosives. You can say what you want about Homeland Security dipshits, but law enforcement demolitions experts have been doing this sort of work for a long time, and they have demonstrated technical competence. Mistrusting them because they work for government is just as stupid as trusting them merely because they work for the government.
From TFA: "It may be seen as a historic shift, but it is one that tells more about the creation of a new market, mobile and tablet computing, than the decline of an older one, the PC. Shipments of personal computers will continue to increase even as they are surpassed by other devices."
Everyone is an expert.
In spite of the fact that "some 40 experts on bombs and hazardous materials from across the country and at least eight national laboratories..." have decided on this course of action, all of us World of Warcraft players and PHP developers have concluded it's a bad idea to handle it this way.
We live in an age in which it is more important to entertain than to inform.
Do you think this is different than in any other age?
Actually, yes, I do. It is different. Before the mainstream news media became centralized and under the control of a handful of conglomerates, it was different. The differences in television news in particular are striking; look at newscasts from 1970, 1980, 1990, 2000, and 2010 and the descent into infotainment is quite clear.
What a sad commentary on the state of the nation.
I have no real issue buying a wii and an xbox; but I'm not going to carry around multiple phones.
You seem to be saying that it's not really a matter of whether there's a monopoly or not; your primary interest is in being able to buy whatever apps you want for your phone. At the same time you are not so interested in being able to buy whatever games you want for your game console.
Is Microsoft exercising a legally recognizable monopoly when it limits what games can be developed for XBox? Is Sony exercising a legal monopoly when it does the same for PlayStation? Is every hardware vendor that restricts software development on its platform exercising a legal monopoly?
The point isn't to be accurate; it's to be engaging. We live in an age in which it is more important to entertain than to inform. Look at all the hack prognosticators in the business and technology press who make a living making predictions – most of them are wildly off the mark but nobody cares enough to go back and call them on their failures.
You seem to be saying that Apple's store is a monopoly, and that Android will prevail. Those seem to be contradictory statements.
As for the mobile phone market being a repeat of the PC market, I don't think that's likely. Apple may not continue to dominate, but I have a hard time seeing Android dominating, because while Microsoft could erect high barriers to entry in the form of Office and hardware licensing arrangement, Google has no such leverage with Android.
You don't have to have dominant market share in order to obtain high profits and long term growth. Just look at Apple's performance in the PC sector.
Mobile app stores: BlackBerry App World, Google Android App Market, Nokia Ovi Store, Palm App Catalog, and Windows Marketplace for Mobile. Android App Market has over 30k apps and is growing rapidly.
Mobile operating systems: Blackberry, Android, Symbian, Palm, Windows Phone. By some measures Android has already overtaken iOS in marketshare.
Mobile hardware OEMs: Nokia, LG, Samsung, HTC, RIM, Motorola. Apple is well behind the leaders in global volume of mobile hardware sales.
So if we're talking about smartphone operating systems, Apple does not have a monopoly. Nor does it have a monopoly in mobile hardware. Finally, it doesn't have a monopoly on mobile application app stores.
Apple controls on its own app store, in the same way that Amazon controls its online store, or Microsoft controls the XBox Live Marketplace. You can call it a monopoly if you like, but there the fact that Apple decides not to allow some apps in its store does not curtail consumer choice at a level that comes even remotely close to being a monopoly.
brought about by bribery
So the bottom line is that you feel current copyright law can only be the result of bribery? I agree that current copyright law has significant problems, but the fact that Big Media has a powerful lobby does not mean bribery is necessarily involved. You can accuse me of being naive, but we are talking about the law, and the law does not support accusations that are without proof.
"You can't quote to refute a work."
Where did you get that idea? Comment and Criticism is at the heart of Fair Use Doctrine.
As for the most effective means of refutation, line by line or paragraph-by-paragraph refutation of a work of any length might be effective in the abstract, but I doubt most people would read it. In practice it is more effective to create a general framework of critique, and use selective quotes to drive your point home. This is likely why there hasn't been a hue and cry about the stifling inability in our culture to engage in argument.
I also don't understand why you put law in quotes. It is law, whether you understand it or not.
It's absurd that Brett's comment was modded down to 0 and flagged as a troll. He wasn't making ad hominem attacks, nor was he goading other Slashdotters. Just because you don't believe in someone's argument doesn't mean they're trolling. Poor moderation.
You can't "police" terrorism, and we didn't declare war on everyone who disagreed with us. I get the point you're trying to make, but talk about hyperbole.
You can make law enforcement and the rule of law your primary means of fighting terrorism, rather than leading with the military and supporting that with extra-legal activity. The two are vastly different approaches.
I take your point about hyperbole. We obviously didn't declare war on everyone who disagreed with us. But we also needlessly turned plenty of sympathetic friends into wary neutrals or opponents very quickly, by painting this as a war of good v. evil, rather than a fight to extinguish a few nationless pirates.
The primary value of catching the "perpetrators" is deterrence for others.
The primary value is stopping further activity by the perpetrators. The secondary value is deterring others. By treating this as a war, we have not only failed to take out the perpetrators (remember that guy, what's his name.. oh yes, I remember now: Osama bin Laden), we have recruited many thousands of fighters for al-Qaeda and related groups. When you engage in police activity, you target the perpetrator. When you invade two countries and engage in military operations in several others, you turn people who would otherwise be bystanders into combatants.
Putting terrorists in jail will not deter those in the future - they are already willing to die for their cause, no threat of punishment will prevent them from going ahead.
What cause? Initially they had a small cause. Now we have made it a much larger one. As for threat of punishment as a deterrent, you are assuming that all terrorists are suicide bombers, which is definitely not the case. Suicide bombers make up a third of the people who engage in terrorist acts across the globe.
So the idea that you are going to identify the "criminals" and put them in jail/execute them presumes that you will just take the hit, no matter the cost, and deal with the aftermath. That's why the "policing" concept has utterly failed.
You seem to be basing your entire argument on the belief that police activity does not deter criminal activity. That is simply untrue. It also presumes that the alternative the US has used, engaging the enemy with primarily military means, somehow is a more effective deterrent, when study after study has shown that it has turned many otherwise politically ambivalent people into combatants.
Further, you state that policing has failed. The United States hasn't even tried that approach.