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Satellite Navigation a Real Crackpot!

debest writes "What happens when your satellite navigation system in your car gives you bad advice on which road you should take? In Britain, these systems have been directing drivers down a road near the (aptly named) town of Crackpot that is strewn with boulders and has an unprotected 100ft dropoff on one side! The locals are worried someone's going to go off the edge."

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  1. What worries me.... by pranay · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is why are the british drivers punching in "crackpot" as their destination? Agreed that GPS Nav works like magic, but this is too much optimism. What did they expect, a list of all local crack joints with directions?

  2. Cooter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ""What happens when your satellite navigation system in your car gives you bad advice on which road you should take?"

    Not much different than that gas station attendant five miles back.

  3. Strange progress of technology by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Funny

    Come on, if back in the early 1980s you could get a sentient talking car, then why in 2006 do we settle for these simple guidance systems that are so limited they could get us killed?

    1. Re:Strange progress of technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      linking to Wikipedia makes me feel ill
      First comment from a Britannica employee I've seen on Slashdot. How does it feel to be downsized?

      Here's a much more informative talking car link.

    2. Re:Strange progress of technology by HTL2001 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why does linking to Wikipedia make you feel ill ?

      Scary thing is, only one of those is a redlink...

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    3. Re:Strange progress of technology by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sentient?! Pfft. My car didn't know the difference between a door and a jar...

  4. They really have 2 options: by temojen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1) Put up a sign reading "Don't go down this road, even if your GPS tells you to; Dangerous conditions ahead".

    2) Stabilize the slope above and install a guard rail.

    1. Re:They really have 2 options: by demonbug · · Score: 4, Informative
      1) Put up a sign reading "Don't go down this road, even if your GPS tells you to; Dangerous conditions ahead".

      2) Stabilize the slope above and install a guard rail.



      1) good idea - but they're going to also need to provide directions for an alternate route

      2) This sounds like a rather remote, extremely lightly travelled route - it may not be economically feasible to install a guard rail and "stabilize the slope" (which could cost tens of thousands or millions of dollars). Sounds like it is just a back-country dirt road that wasn't designed for through traffic.

  5. Too obvious to be a solution by PacoHernandez · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is there a reason that they haven't put a railing on the "unprotected 100ft dropoff" edge?

    1. Re:Too obvious to be a solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes there is a reason - it's a rock-strewn farm track rather than a surfaced road and it isn't suitable for motor vehicles, and certainly isn't a through road. The error in question isn't the quality of the road or the lack of a guard rail, but the fact that the GPS systems are flagging it as a through route when it isn't.

      I've holidayed in the area regularly and once you go off the A (main) and B (narrow, usually single-lane) roads, you're on moorland, bogland and are pretty much on your own. While I can't be 100% sure whether I've been down the specific track they're talking about, I have mountain-biked down a few pretty hairy tracks near Crackpot that I know I wouldn't take a car down, specifically the ones that end in a drop, rather than have one at the side...

    2. Re:Too obvious to be a solution by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Every so often, at a sharp curve, you could peer out the window and see the remains of a car or truck that had pitched over the side...We took those curves very, very carefully.

      In Indonesia, they deliberately leave wrecked cars in place as reminders for the following drivers. Occasionally, if such cars are not easily spotted, they're put on top of a platform on a mast, to be more visible ;-)

  6. best action to take... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...put up a sign "Toll Road Ahead".

  7. Happens all the time by greg1104 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I had a similar problem recently while driving through Pennsylvania. I had set my car's GPS computer to lead me to Intercourse, but no matter what I pushed it I could only reach Bird in Hand. Of course, I've had this problem with web pages on my PC at home before, so I really can't blame the mapping company.

    1. Re:Happens all the time by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Funny

      I had a similar problem recently while driving through Pennsylvania. I had set my car's GPS computer to lead me to Intercourse, but no matter what I pushed it I could only reach Bird in Hand.

      I used to live in that general part of Pennsylvania and always chuckled looking at the map. Intercourse, Bird-in-Hand, and Mt. Joy, towns all innocuous on their own but when placed together highly sexually suggestive.

    2. Re:Happens all the time by MustardMan · · Score: 5, Funny

      There are a lot more than that... near Intercourse, you have Paradise (naturally), as well as Leacock, Reamstown, East Petersburg, Mountville, Climax, Beaver, and of course the ever-present Blue Ball. You don't know how frustrating it is to drive out to the country, and figure you'll stop for a quick visit to Intercourse, get lost and end up in Blue Ball. and wind up ending your night with Bird in Hand.

    3. Re:Happens all the time by Your+Pal+Dave · · Score: 5, Funny
      is that anywhere near Mianus ?


      Nope, 'taint.
  8. So what they're saying is..... by rune2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    In Crackpot there's more than one way to go off the deep end! /rimshot

  9. Typical mapper issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are a couple of problems with these things, both familiar to MapQuest users.

    1) Things change. New roads (sometimes whole communities) get built, and there is some latency in getting that updated data where it can be used by your GPS-mapper (whether in your car or on the web).

    2) Driving-direction algorithims are good, but not flawless. MapQuest, for example, provides driving directions that will usually get you where you want to go, but may have you take an odd route to get there.

    The bottom line: If you expect your Tom-Tom (or whatever) to magically do all of your thinking for you, you'll eventually wind up going over an 'unexpected' cliff ...

    1. Re:Typical mapper issues by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      TomTom are *really* bad though. They're riding high as the most common GPS in the UK.

      Unfortunately their maps are filled with obvious errors, and they ignore people who correct them (it's not uncommon for roads to be 10 years out of date on their maps... they've been told - repeatedly - about these errors but each time a map upgrade comes out no fixes have been done. Add to that the fact the map upgrades are not free and TT are ripe for being murdered by the competition..)

  10. Wow by abscissa · · Score: 5, Funny

    If a computer tells you to jump off a cliff, would you do it?

    1. Re:Wow by JustOK · · Score: 5, Funny

      What type of computer? Running what OS? Is it an open source program?

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  11. Similar Story by SloWave · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Some time back when GPS's in cars were fairly new, I rented a Hertz car with a GPS while on a business trip to Colorado. I didn't ask for the GPS, they just gave it to me. At the end of my trip I decided to try out the GPS, so I programmed it to return me to the Colorado Springs airport. I missed the first turn to the airport but no problem, the GPS said it had an alternate route. So I followed the route until it said I had reached my destination. All I could see however was miles of nothing and a big chain link fence. The GPS insisted I was at the airport however. Finally I dug out the rental car map and it showed me that the GPS had led me to the back side of the airport. I almost missed my flight because of that stupid GPS.

  12. Re:Map software problem.. by mzwaterski · · Score: 4, Informative
    I know my GPS sees road types because I can tell it to exclude some road types from a particular trip. For example, I can say: no highways, no dirt roads, etc...

    I have a Garmin Quest.

  13. Yeah, sure... by Winlin · · Score: 4, Funny

    The locals are so worried about this. Just like, in the days of sailing ships, the villagers who put up fake lights were very worried that some ship might run aground on the rocks. I say we see who in this village is hacking the GPS. First place to look...the suspiciously wellstocked local secondhand store.

  14. Rat Race by porkThreeWays · · Score: 4, Funny

    I knew I should've bought a squirrel

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  15. Business Opportunity ! by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 4, Funny

    I say buy the parcel of land at the bottom of the 100ft dropoff and set up an auto wrecking yard. Put up sign half way down - "Welcome to Crackpot Auto Wrecking"

  16. Set untarmaced roads to 1mph by cootuk · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is fairly local to me. This is out in the wilds where the decent A road takes the long way round. The problem seems to be that untarmaced roads are set to about 10mph average spped by default in a lot of routing software, and most people select 'fastest route'. Simply by setting untarmaced roads to 1mph you can avoid some of this silly routing. Plus using a bit of common sense.

  17. I'm goin for it... by XdevXnull · · Score: 5, Funny

    In Soviet Crackpot, GPS drives you!

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  18. Crackpot not a "town" by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This story was a real surprise - I never thought Crackpot would get a mention in Slashdot. My parents have a cottage just up the dale outside Gunnerside. However I feel I should point out that Crackpot is hardly a town. It consists of about two farmhouses and a barn! The biggest attraction is probably the name although I do remember going on a good walk from there once.

    Incidently the name comes from the norse "pot" meaning hole or dip (in this case referring to the limestone rift there) and "Kraka" meaning crow. As a kid I was always told it was because they found some roman coins in a cracked pot there but I think the former is more plausible!

    Anyway it was great to see Crackpot on Slashdot. I suppose next week they'll be a story about the nearby town of Hawes (which is pronounced "whores" :-)

    1. Re:Crackpot not a "town" by norfolkboy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hawes... yes, I remember staying there on a fieldtrip at high school!

      Not only is Hawes pronoused Whores, but there is also a dairy there called "Hawes Creamery". http://archive.thisisthenortheast.co.uk/2001/4/27/ 172568.html

  19. Map by Ambient+Sheep · · Score: 5, Informative
    Here's a map of the place. Check out those contour lines (in metres), and the chevrons on the roads, which indicate steep gradients (for those not versed in British OS map symbols).

    I guess it's that pale-white track on the bottom left, just below the "Summer Lodge [Farm]" that was mentioned in the article, in which case no GPS system should take you down one of those - white on British OS maps (as opposed to yellow) means no tarmac. And the dotted edges of the road indeed mean "unfenced". Lovely stuff. It's even debatable whether the narrow yellow roads on that map (which mean single-track with passing places) should be used by a GPS as through routes, let alone the white ones!

    Still, it reinforces the stupidity of the drivers, as there's obviously a point there, just past the farm, where the character of the road changes, and they blindly believe the GPS rather than turn back and let it find another route.

  20. Magellen Roadmate 760 by browng · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have owned a Magellen Roadmate 760 for six months. Living in Chicagoland for 28 years I find my GPS makes days out more flexible; any new place we wish to go is its command. In the past, going from one area to another would include at least a slght bit of driving towards home till we found a street we know takes us to the new area. With GPS it is almost like a wormhole, as soon after you leave your starting point you are in unfamiliar territory and then sooner than you would think you pop out at your destination. I have learned more about what this area has to offer.