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Fibs - Fibonacci-based Poetry

Gregory K. writes "April is National Poetry Month (and, it turns out, Math Awareness Month), and on my blog, I decided to get people writing poetry based on the Fibonacci sequence. The poems are six lines, 20 syllables long with the syllable pattern 1/1/2/3/5/8, though they can go longer, obviously. I've been calling 'em Fibs, and people have been writing them on pop culture, politics, math, and more."

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  1. First Post! by afaik_ianal · · Score: 5, Funny

    First
    Post!
    I bet
    nobody
    can beat me to it
    with a Fibonacci poem!

    1. Re:First Post! by abscissa · · Score: 5, Funny

      Some
      troll
      you are.
      First posting
      is such a bad thing
      But, I will say, yours was funny.

    2. Re:First Post! by afaik_ianal · · Score: 5, Funny

      I
      hope
      the mods
      can have fun,
      or I'll get modded
      as a troll for my "first post" gag

    3. Re:First Post! by Tragamor · · Score: 2, Funny
      It is only a pity that 23 is not part of the Fibonnacci sequence.

      1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55.....

      --
      To be is to do - Descartes. To do is to be - Sartre. Dooby dooby do - Frank Sinatra.
    4. Re:First Post! by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

      Oh
      no!
      How could
      that happen?
      I am sure I did
      originally start with the
      number twenty-one, but while I did count syllables,
      I somehow managed to mutilate the twenty-one into twenty-three in my head.
      But this time I think my poem is correct, although it may still be that I miscounted the syllables of the English words when writing it.

      --
      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    5. Re:First Post! by Sharpner · · Score: 2, Insightful
  2. Seen elsewhere... by Skreems · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not to take away from this poster's message, but this has been done elsewhere as well. The lyrics to Tool's song "Lateralus" are written in Fibonacci rhythm (I think up to 13).

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    1. Re:Seen elsewhere... by evrybodygonsurfin · · Score: 2, Informative

      See also MC Paul Barman's Paullelujah! album.

    2. Re:Seen elsewhere... by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Informative
      Tool is rather late on the bandwagon. The composer Sofia Gubaidulina made wide use of the Fibbonaci sequence in the 1980s, happy to find a way of systemization that still allowed the form to "breathe". Her 1986 symphony "Stimmen... Verstummen..." is a notable example: the length of its movements grow ever shorter according to the sequence. In the 9th movement is a conductor's "solo", where he motions before a silent orchestra, the distance between his hands growing ever larger according to the sequence. In the 1990s she began using the Lucas and Evanglist series as well, whose aesthetic imperfection alongside the divine harmony of the Fibonacci sequence makes tantalizing listening. See V. Tsenova's thesis Zahlenmystik in der Music von Sofia Gubaidulina for a musicological analysis.

      That's only one example. Per Norgard may be mentioned as well, his third symphony abounds in Golden Section references. And, as others is well known, Bartok used the sequence heavily in his work.

  3. Too Cool Even for Geeks! by under_score · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Some of the Fibs in the comments are astounding. So what about Prime's
    A short Poem with Prime syllables is Just as beautiful as the Fib. But don't hold your breath for more in this one!
    ... or pi's
    I eat pie . Please... Blueberry Pie... It's my favorite.
    1. Re:Too Cool Even for Geeks! by stymyx · · Score: 5, Funny

      That would be great, if PI were 3.1315...

    2. Re:Too Cool Even for Geeks! by under_score · · Score: 2, Funny

      Imagine my chagrin when about 20 minutes later, lying in bed, I realized that not only am I not a cool geek, I'm stupid too! I can't believe I missed that. Must be the fact of being awake at 3:15am in my time zone and trying to write matematical poetry. Really it's the best time to do it, but it's also a pretty bad time to do it too :-)

  4. Re:nice! by archeopterix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah.
    Right.
    Breaking
    A sentence
    Into syllables
    Does not a poem make - how pointless

  5. Re:Wasting time by gameforge · · Score: 2, Funny

    (lets try that again, w/out HTML formatting hehe)

    I
    thought
    Slashdot
    Readers had
    More important things
    To write about; but I was wrong.

  6. Obligatory... by Perdo · · Score: 5, Funny

    aich
    tee
    tee pee
    colon slash slash
    slash dot dot org poem

    I
    Wait
    For The
    Beowulf Hot
    Natalie Grits Goatse
    Signal Eleven Penis Bird

    --

    If voting were effective, it would be illegal by now.

  7. Poem by neoshroom · · Score: 5, Funny

    Math,
    Makes,
    My head,
    Quake with pain.
    Writing a poem based
    On Fibonacci does the same.

    --
    Big apple, new Yorik, undig it, something's unrotting in Edenmark.
    1. Re:Poem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is it just me, or are all these fibs a little Shatneresque?

  8. Damn by abscissa · · Score: 5, Funny

    Damn!
    This
    Will be
    Tough for the
    Mods, if they count all
    the syllables in every post!

  9. Fibonacci by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 5, Informative

    Did
    You
    Know That
    The Sequence
    Originally
    Described The Humping Of Rabbits?

    --
    When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
    1. Re:Fibonacci by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 2, Informative
      It's not the number of individual rabbits, it's the number of pairs. From Wikipedia:

      In the West, [the Fibonacci sequence] was first studied by Leonardo of Pisa, who was also known as Fibonacci (c. 1200), to describe the growth of an idealised (although biologically unrealistic) rabbit population. The numbers describe the number of pairs in the rabbit population after n months if it is assumed that:

      in the first month there is just one newly-born pair, new-born pairs become fertile from their second month on each month every fertile pair begets a new pair, and the rabbits never die.

      Suppose that in month n we have a total of a pairs of rabbits and in month n + 1 we have b pairs. In month n + 2 we will necessarily have a + b pairs, because all a pairs of rabbits from month n will be fertile and produce a new pairs of offspring (since all a rabbits are at least two months old) -- plus b, which are the existing pairs of rabbits at n + 1 (remember the assumption that no rabbit ever dies).

      --
      When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
  10. to 21 by fithmo · · Score: 3, Funny

    deb
    i
    compiz
    wtf
    compile mother bitch
    and something about the seasons
    no, wait, i am probably thinking about haiku
    damn this package! it has me all confused to the point that i can't even write a poem.

  11. Re:Mandatory (with HTML this time) by rewinn · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well
    I
    For One
    Will Welcome
    (It's Mandatory)
    Our Fibonacci Overlords!

  12. Re:Tool- Lateralus already does this. by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you are going to laugh at the article just because some rock band did something similar six years ago, then by your own standards Tool would have to be a laughingstock as well. Composers of art music have been using the Fibonacci sequence for decades. Bartok back in the 1930s and 1940s, Iannis Xenakis in the 1950s, Per Norgard in the 1970s, Sofia Gubaidulina in the 1980s. What took Tool so long?

  13. Re:Tool- Lateralus already does this. by fithmo · · Score: 3, Funny

    "What took Tool so long?"

    Being born?

  14. Re:Tool - Lateralus by CRCulver · · Score: 2, Informative

    Tool's music is mind-numbingly simplistic compared to the art music composers who have used the Fibonacci sequence in their work (Gubaidulina, Xenakis, Bartok, Norgard, etc.). Tool's music sticks to rock rhythms and chord structures, doesn't use all twelve tones of the chromatic scale as has been encouraged since Schoenberg, and uses the same limited instrumentation as most rock (Carey's versatile drum kit doesn't compensate for the same-old same-oldness of the rest of the band).

  15. Re:nice! by illuminatedwax · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If
    you
    restrict
    your options,
    you may be surprised.
    You might become more creative.

    --
    Did you ever notice that *nix doesn't even cover Linux?
  16. Re:no digg by Jaruzel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Stoppit! This isn't Digg!!!!!!

    But yeah, personal blog self-promotion - uber lame.

    -Jar

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  17. Fibonacci pineapples. 9 liner. by gihan_ripper · · Score: 3, Interesting

    01 It
    01 is
    02 really
    03 not taxing
    05 to create a Fib,
    08 but still they are interesting
    13 sequences of numbers. We are familiar with
    21 the 'rabbit generation' origins of the sequence, but it can also describe
    34 the number of petals on a flower, or the number of curves on a sunflower head, on a pineapple, or even on a pinecone.

    --
    Phoenix, Boston, Little Rock, see a pattern?
  18. Re:Tool - Lateralus by starwed · · Score: 2, Funny

    "doesn't use all twelve tones of the chromatic scale as has been encouraged since Schoenberg"

    But on the other hand, I actually enjoy listening to Tool.

  19. Cutting it off at the pass by BinaryOpty · · Score: 5, Informative
    Before anyone else does a "OMG Tool did it first!!" and then someone responds to them with "No, [insert older reference here] did it first!", the blog author acknowledges this in his post (linked to in the first, longer link). I quote:
    and, as much as I'd like to say I invented a new form of poetry, these sequences have been part of various poetic structures since before Fibonacci's time.
    As such, now anyone who brings up the Tool/etc thing in such a way that they're implying the blog author is claiming credit for inventing this can be marked a troll.
  20. Re:Tool - Lateralus by gameforge · · Score: 2, Informative

    Tool's music sticks to rock rhythms

    Actually, that's not entirely accurate... I really don't like Tool much at all, but one thing I found unique about them was that a lot of their songs don't use the traditional 4/4 (drumBASSdrumBASSdrumBASS) type rhythm. Don't they have some tunes in 9/8?

    Considering just about every rock song that comes out anymore sounds exactly like every other, a break from the 4/4 rock beat is noteworthy. Of course, all of my exposure to Tool at all comes from years ago...

  21. Fibspam by EmagGeek · · Score: 2, Funny

    Cheap
    Drugs
    Call Now
    We're Waiting
    Do Not Hesitate
    Lincoln Building Tether Pineapple Goat

  22. Palindrome version by Chapter80 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Palindrome version. (It's early, best I could do...)


    God,
    all!
    It's fib,
    version A.
    Edit idea...
    No! Is rev B, if still a dog.

  23. Must... stop... fibbing by mrogers · · Score: 4, Funny
    Unfortunately no matter what the subject matter, the poems sound like they're being spoken by a superhero through gritted teeth.

    Must...
    stop...
    fibbing!
    Got to get...
    back to my haikus!
    So many syllables... wasted!

  24. Re:Tool - Lateralus by Alioth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Forget your missing five tones.

    There is only one rule about music, and it's a subjective rule. That rule is that the music must sound good.

    If people find Tool sounds good, then it is good (to them at least) regardless of whether music snobs are whining that it is missing five tones. Part of music is not necessarily being too much. For example, many people love blues yet much of it only uses three chords and a pentatonic scale. It doesn't make it anything less - to those who love that kind of music, it obeys the only rule - it sounds good - regardless of what classically educated music snobs think.

  25. A Presidential Fib. by m487396 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bush
    said
    that the
    weapons of
    mass distruction in
    Iraq posed an imminent threat.

  26. Re:Tool - Lateralus by CRCulver · · Score: 2, Funny

    There is only one rule about music, and it's a subjective rule. That rule is that the music must sound good.

    No, the only rule about music is that it must be complex, not that it has to sound good or bad. I'll repeat Xenakis' statement from Musiques formelles:

    Le son beau ou laid n'a pais de sens, ni la musiqe qui en découle; la quantité d'intelligence portée par les sonorités doit être le vrai critère de validité de telle ou telle musique.

    (The concept of "beautiful" or "ugly" sound makes no sense, nor does music written thereby; the amount of information carried by the sound is therefore the only true criterion for the validity of this or that music.)

  27. For You Tool Fans by ras_b · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I copied the following directly from this website which has an interesting analysis of tool's lateralus album.
    There's a Fibonacci in Maynard's lyrics, specifically the syllables:

      black [1]
      then [1]
      white are [2]
      all I see [3]
      in my infancy [5]
      red and yellow then came to be [8]
      reaching out to me [5]
      lets me see [3]
      there is [2]
      so [1]
      much [1]
      more and [2]
      beckons me [3]
      to look through to these [5]
      infinite possibilities [8]
      as below so above and beyond I imagine [13]
      drawn outside the lines of reason [8]
      push the envelope [5]
      watch it bend [3]

      I suppose it's not actually a true Fibonacci, since it does reverse itself.

    1. Re:For You Tool Fans by bloodstains · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I was working on this as well untill I got to the following lyrics:
      Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
      Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
      Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines.
      I decided I may have been missing the point of the song.
  28. Conformity by Limbo+Socrates · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ugh.
    Rules.
    Structure.
    Makes me wince.
    Perhaps I should try...
    Running around naked with my hair on fire screaming, "ANARCHY! ANARCHY! Take that Fibonacci, you wiper of other peoples bottoms! go away and I shall taunt you no more!"

  29. Surprised no one came up with this: by Chapter80 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Here's a Python program written in a fib...


    try:
    ....foo
    except:
    ....print "Display"
    ....print "Fibonacci"
    ....count = prevcount = 1
    ....while prevcount <= 7000:
    ........print prevcount ; count, prevcount = count + prevcount, count

    The way *I* read the program (pronouncing each special character except for the quotes and colons), it's a fib. AND it does something useful. It displays the first twenty Fibonacci numbers!

    Pronounced:
    (1) try
    (1) foo
    (2) ex cept
    (3) print dis play
    (5) print fib on ac ci
    (8) count e quals prev count e quals one
    (13) while prev count less than or e qual to sev en thou sand
    (21) print prev count sem i col on count com ma prev count e quals count plus prev count com ma count

    Now that's *real* nerdy. Geeks should be proud.

  30. Math is everywhere you look by hey! · · Score: 3, Interesting
    For example, consider the famous poem "The Tiger" by William Blake:

    TIGER, tiger, burning bright
    In the forests of the night,
    What immortal hand or eye
    Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

    If you read this alound (or at least subvocalize), you'll see a patern, and patterns in my opinion are quintessentially mathematical:

    TIGer/TIGer/BURNing/BRIGHT */
    IN the / FORests /OF the /NIGHT */
    WHAT im/MORtal / HAND or/ EYE */
    could FRAME / thy FEAR/ful SYM/meTRY?

    What makes this pattern interesting is not what it is, but what it is not. It's like you can hear a quantum entanglement with the poem it is not, but easily might have been. A lesser poet would have written: "TIGer, TIGer, BURNing BRIGHTly", which would be a metrical form called "trochaic quadrameter". A trochee is a two syllbale unit (or "foot") with stress on the first syllable (like this: dah DUM), as opposed to an iamb which stressed the second (va VOOM).
    Hiwawatha is an example of trochaic quadrameter:

    By the shores of Gitche Gumee,
    By the shining Big-Sea-Water,
    Stood the wigwam of Nokomis,
    Daughter of the Moon, Nokomis.

    Four footed forms are very solid and predictable, but are seldom chosen by profesional poets because they quickly become monotonous and susceptible to parody, as in this excerpt of a Geroge Strong's lampoon of Hiawatha:

    He killed the noble Mudjokivis.
    Of the skin he made him mittens,
    Made them with the fur side inside,
    Made them with the skin side outside.
    He, to get the warm side inside,
    Put the inside skin side outside.
    He, to get the cold side outside,
    Put the warm side fur side inside.
    That's why he put the fur side inside,
    Why he put the skin side outside,
    Why he turned them inside outside.


    Tiger's unusual and broken meter gives it a haunting feeling (haunted by the missing syllables?) that fits its subject perfectly.

    Getting to the subject of the article, efforts like this are often successful at getting people who are interested in poetry to try their hands at it. I think in part because it's so easy to be write bad poetry, it's helpful to have the safety net of a highy arbitrary form to fall back on: after all, what can you expect given the restrictions? The 5-7-5 structure of Haiku is also popular for the same purposes and reasons.

    I wonder whether a similar effort could be made using patterns in scansion, like in "Tiger". Maybe you could create a set of rules encoding messages in stress and rhyme, and then set out a task to "encrypt" a message as verse.
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  31. SPAM Filters Blocking Poetry by refriedchicken · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hi
    Bob
    Click Here
    VIAGRA
    Penis Enlargement
    Satisfy your woman tonight

  32. Re:Fibonacci Sequence Memonics by cpeikert · · Score: 2, Funny

    Eight and five will make eleven.

    Really?

  33. Another try... by Chapter80 · · Score: 5, Funny
    OK, now I am addicted.


    One.
    One.
    Then Two.
    Three is next.
    Five, of course, comes next.
    Then Eight. It's getting hard to do.
    Next is 1D. We're counting in Hex - this is slashdot!

    Gotta love the surprise ending!

  34. Re:oblig too by Arthur+B. · · Score: 3, Funny

    html formatting bug..
    In soviet Russia
    fibs poems
    always
    write
    you!

    --
    \u262D = \u5350
  35. Re:Oh no... by vandon · · Score: 5, Funny

    We
    Get
    Signal
    All your base
    Are belong to us
    Somebody set up us the bomb.

  36. Ode to the slashdot poet. by Chapter80 · · Score: 2, Funny


    Po-
    et-
    ry real-
    ly should nev-
    er be written ex-
    clusively by geeks on a for-
    um such as slashdot. They tend to really sound horrib-

  37. Starting with a different number by Flyboy+Connor · · Score: 2, Funny
    You can start Fibonacci sequences with a different number.

    Here's a fib that starts with zero:

  38. Last one? by Chapter80 · · Score: 2, Funny
    Next Challenge, a fib that's a rectangle.


    Deutsch
    through
    Balkans
    Germany
    UKandUS
    WWIcrap

    That one was really tough to have it make any sense.