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The Future of the PDA

An anonymous reader writes "XYZComputing is taking a look at the future of the PDA and what obstacles might stand in the way of continued popularity. From the article: 'While is hard not to appreciate the PDA's ability to change with the times, it appears that its heady days of mobile dominance are coming to an abrupt end. A number of factors are competing in the mobile products field right now, all of which are vying for the same buyers. The most formidable competition to the PDA is the smartphone, but there is also pressure from small laptops, the upcoming UMPC, increasingly capable cell phones, and a few other takers, like portable media players.'"

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  1. The Original UMPC by BWJones · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wrote a couple of articles about where I thought the PDA might be going back in 2002 and 2005. Specifically, I'd suppose (hope) that it might see a resurgence through the iPod phenomenon.

    We really have not seen a whole lot of innovation in the PDA market aside from color screens and somewhat faster CPUs since Palm and then Microsoft entered the market. The first device that truly works as an assistant that is affordable will, like Palm did in the 90's take over the market again. Phone use will be required, but could easily function with a Bluetooth earpiece. It will have to have a big enough screen in portrait or landscape mode to surf the web (surfing the web on my Tungsten T3 sucks), will have to be able to plug into a projector and deliver Keynote (or Powerpoint) presentations, read and annotate pdf's, have an honest 4-5hr battery life (ideally more, but this will depend upon new battery technology or fuel cells), be rugged, have a decent way to enter information through a keyboard (real or virtual) and be reasonably affordable.

    The Newton was the original UMPC and did many things very well (including handwriting recognition in the 110 and up), but were waaaay too expensive for their time. I had a 110 and a 120 that I used for years before they simply could not keep up, but that form factor is still ideal. Put a color screen in it, run OS X on a flash drive along with global band cell phone connectivity, 802.11 and Bluetooth and if you can sell it for $700-800 or so, you have the ideal PDA. That may be cutting the margins thin, but if Apple could sell it along with .Mac subscription/connectivity to enable syncing with your desktop/laptop and provide a cell phone service implemented like iChat, I suspect it could be highly profitable.

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    1. Re:The Original UMPC by TommyBlack · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It seems like there are a lot of things that PDA's should do but they don't. I have a Palm Tungsten E, and I keep thinking it should be more useful. For instance, the other day I needed some information I had on my USB flash drive, but I had nothing handy it could interface with; shouldn't this be the job of my PDA? Doesn't anyone who designs these things have this kind of inspiration?

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    2. Re:The Original UMPC by generic-man · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My old PalmPilot ran for 35 hours on two AAA batteries. It's considered about average for a small laptop to get one-tenth that much before you start strapping giant heavy batteries on all sides of it.

      Anyone who takes planes frequently (i.e. salespeople who tend to own PDAs) might actually benefit from a device with more than 5 hours of battery life.

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    3. Re:The Original UMPC by DocLandolt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The future of the PDA isn't dire -- it just needs to find its niche. Like everything else, portable computing will eventually modularize (when consumers have their way, at least), and the day we see the emergence of a half decent wearable display, and hopefully some versitile input mechanisms, the PDA will lose its jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none chains and morph into a powerhouse of a mini-cpu, storage and personal area networking hub.

    4. Re:The Original UMPC by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I am of the opinion that USB flash drives are lame. Mind you, I have one on my keychain, and I use it, but that's only because I got it for free. The only kind that makes sense is the kind that's got a SD card (or similar) in it, and it's really just a tiny card reader. This was a lot less true when we didn't have access to $5 card readers, though. I got a several-in-one card reader (it says 7 in 1 or something, but it has four slots, they must be counting SD and MMC separately or something, which makes little sense) for free with my digital camera (from geeks.com) and you can buy them retail for under $20. You can order 'em off the 'net for practically nothing any day of the week. Also, many laptops now come with a memory card slot; usually this is SD/MMC, unless it's a sony.

      It doesn't make much sense to me to have storage tied to a particular interface. At the same time, it is absolutely retarded that PDAs are commonly USB clients, but not USB hosts. There are existing silicon solutions that let a device be both, and if a PDA is supposed to be a computer, it should be a USB host. My PDA, which was $200 as a refurb, is a 400MHz ARM (xscale) with 64MB RAM. That's more powerful than the first three computers I had with USB (though not all of them put together.)

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    5. Re:The Original UMPC by GeoffP · · Score: 2, Informative

      If she started using the drive on Windows, it may be in a Windows-only format. Backup the data and reformat it as FAT. This will allow it to be read from and written to on Macs and PCs.

    6. Re:The Original UMPC by glesga_kiss · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Simple solution is to get a PDA that takes SD cards, and carry around the USB reader. That's what I do. My PDA also has some third-party usb replacement drivers that turn the PDA into a keychain. Switch them on, connect to USB and your PDAs storage areas appear as mapped drives without any need for drivers in the OS.

      Or you could try this amazing little SD card that has a built in USB connector. One of the cleverest ideas of 2005 IMHO.

      At the same time, it is absolutely retarded that PDAs are commonly USB clients, but not USB hosts.

      Agreed. There are many devices that would be awesome hooked up to a PDA. Bluetooth will take on this function in the future I reckon.

    7. Re:The Original UMPC by Steve001 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      generic-man wrote:

      My old PalmPilot ran for 35 hours on two AAA batteries. It's considered about average for a small laptop to get one-tenth that much before you start strapping giant heavy batteries on all sides of it.

      That is one of the problems with the newer PDAs: shorter battery life, combined with non-replaceable batteries. I used to use two sets of rechargable batteries with my Handspring Visor and as long as I changed the batteries every other day I always had plenty of battery power. If my batteries happen to run short, I can easily pick up a replacement set anywhere.

      One of the reasons for the shorter battery life on new PDAs is the need for a backlight to view the screens. The old monochrome screens might not have been as nice as the color ones, but I could view them in normal light without the need to turn on the backlight. I now have a Palm T/X and while the screen is great looking, you must use the backlight to view it.

      I wish Palm would come out with a monochrome successor to the old Palm Vx (one of the best PDAs they ever came out with) but with a higher resolution screen. The m515 was a good successor but the battery life suffered due to the color screen and its need for a back light.

      Anyone who takes planes frequently (i.e. salespeople who tend to own PDAs) might actually benefit from a device with more than 5 hours of battery life.

      It is also nice to be able to slip it into your pocket versus a brief case. Plus, I read many e-books and a long battery life is definitely a plus.

  2. But there will always be buyers......... by phillips321 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I know many people who buy PDAs purely for their gps capabilities

    1. Re:But there will always be buyers......... by binarybum · · Score: 3, Interesting

      that's why I bought mine, but I evolved and now use it as much as a PDA as a GPS. I hope this article is wrong, but I fear that the ubiquity of the cellphone and the well recognized need for integration of portable devices will push the format more towards a phone form and less toward a PDA. This is a shame as the PDA is in my opinion a far better interface and could easily accommodate gps, bluetooth phone, media player, and simple camera functions.

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  3. Simplicity, price, and size please by Com2Kid · · Score: 5, Insightful
    How about something that has the functionality of the older palms:

    • basic handwriting reco through graffiti or the like
    • Keeps track of names, phone numbers, basic notes, a todo list
    • Simple interface


    It doesn't even need a color screen, though grayscale would be nice just for legibility reasons.

    A 20mhz or so CPU should suffice, if even that much is needed. It would be cool if it could fit in the credit card holder of my wallet (most wallets suck as it is, when you are limited to the subset of wallets that can carry a PDA, it becomes really hard to find a non-cruddy one), and has a week long battery life or some such. Oh yes, and STATIC MEMORY. Honestly, only 4 or so megs are needed.

    Price? No more than $50.
    1. Re:Simplicity, price, and size please by iabervon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd also really like to see something that's UI-equivalent with my trusty Handspring Visor Deluxe. The differences I want:

      Sync with a standard mini-USB cable, instead of a cradle.

      Support charging rechargable AAA batteries when plugged in.

      Use sane file formats for memos, notes, calendar entries, and addresses.

      It'd be nice to support a mini-SD card for storage, so that you can replace it if it breaks by removing the card and putting it in a new one.

      I think it would be cute to support Bluetooth keyboard and mouse, just so you could look weird in cafes, with a full-size keyboard for a computer the size of the numeric keypad. But that's just silly.

    2. Re:Simplicity, price, and size please by DrVomact · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I can get you pretty close--the Palm Z22. You won't want to carry it in your wallet (ouch...the idea had never occurred to me before), but I just replaced my Sony Clie with one of these, and I'm happy. The Clie cost me $400 bucks back when it was first introduced, and I was going to do all kinds of wonderful things with this slim brushed-aluminum wonder (you know, like hook it up to a GPS and never get lost again, and listen to music, and well...lots of stuff).

      Well, I never did a thing with the Clie that I hadn't done with my old green-screen Palm, and I found that its battery would last at most 2 days--providing you didn't use it very much. I did buy a GPS for my car, so I'm not lost as often any more, and I got an MP3 player to drown out the noise in the cubicle farm I work in, and I got a nice phone that works in Europe and over here in the US and is flat enough that I can clip it to my belt and never notice it's there, and I got a lap-top to fulfill my portable computer needs.

      Meanwhile, the Clie's battery life went from bad to pathetic, and every time it ran down completely, I'd lose all my data. I finally got sick of it a month or so ago, and bought the Palm Z22. The main reasons I bought it were that a) I realized that I still needed to do all the stuff the good old Palm did, but b) I wasn't going to pay $400 for it, and c) I wanted to keep using the simple Palm interface and my collection of apps.

      The Z22 cost me $80. That's a little more than it's worth, but not outrageously so. It has a color screen that's not as nice as the Clie, but who cares--it's plenty bright and legible, and I ain't gonna admire the Mona Lisa on it. It's got 32M of flash memory that's persistent so I won't lose it if the battery goes flat--but the battery will last a week without recharging, so that probably won't happen. There's absolutely no frills--no memory cards, and the only interface on the thing is the USB port you use for syncing and charging. And you know what? I don't care.

      I gather the Z22 is marketed as a "beginner's" Palm; if so, Palm doesn't get it. I think there's lots of people like me who still see a neeed for a device like this, and who have given up on the search for the One Device To Rule Them All.

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  4. The PDA is dead! Long live the PDA! by TimmyDee · · Score: 3, Informative

    The UMPC, in its current form and price (and usability) will not be an issue in the "downfall" of the PDA. It may have the ability to sideline the PDA in some markets and applications, but those will be relatively limited. Onto my real point. . .

    "Increasingly capable cellphones", as the summary puts it, will be the real challenge to the PDA. Many people bought PDAs to be electronic datebooks, address books, and the like. Some people felt it worthwhile to carry them, others (myself included) found it to be a hassle. Cellphones, on the other hand, are far more likely to make it into our pockets. The natural evolution was to add PDA-like functionality. So PDAs evolved into cellphones or cellphones evolved into PDAs. I would argue that there are examples of both (the Treo being a phonified PDA and Series 60 devices being PDAified cellphones).

    My take home message is thus: The PDA is not dead. It has merely evolved thanks to the advent of widespread mobile phones. If we look at some current cellphones, many have more power than the original Palm Pilots. About the only thing they lack is a more sophisticated input method (that may be arguable, though, when T9 is compared to Graffiti).

    Some manufacturers will still make "pure" PDAs, but the PDA is not dead. The PDA has merely evolved.

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  5. New PocketPCs stink by kimvette · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The current crop of PocketPCs stink. I'm anxious to upgrade, but here is what I am finding:

      - NONE offer PCMCIA support (rendering my 5GB HDD useless)
      - If you want 128MB or more of RAM, the highest resolution you will get is quarter-VGA (320x240)
      - If you want VGA (640x480) resolution, the most RAM you'll get is 64MB
      - Lack of accessories (e.g., high capacity batteries)

    Thanks to Carly Fiorina canning the iPaq line (she basically brought back the inferior Journada line) expansion capability of the PocketPC is nil, and the quality has only gone downhill. I'm glad she got fired but she managed to kill the PocketPC platform just as it was gaining steam. I still use my 3670 but I need more RAM, higher resolution, a faster CPU, and expansion capability. :(

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    1. Re:New PocketPCs stink by Formica · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have you looked at the Loox 720? - VGA
      - Bluetooth + WiFi
      - 128MB Flash
      - 520MHz processor
      - USB host

    2. Re:New PocketPCs stink by evilviper · · Score: 2, Insightful
      NONE offer PCMCIA support (rendering my 5GB HDD useless)

      If you want to use PCMCIA devices, you don't want a PDA, you want a small laptop.

      There's no way you're getting a tiny handheld with a big PCMCIA slot in it.

      If you want VGA (640x480) resolution, the most RAM you'll get is 64MB

      Who cares? I've lot way too much data to trust the RAM for storage. Plug-in a CF or SD card for all the storage you could want. (I'm still pissed SD is getting more popular, when CF is more than small enough, and 50% less expensive)

      I'm glad she got fired but she managed to kill the PocketPC platform just as it was gaining steam.

      There's nothing she could have done to change the buggy, unstable, inflexible, data-corrupting nature of WinCE, which has always been it's downfall.

      Personally, I gave-up on PDAs, iPaqs, etc. The ultra-lightweight notebooks from Toshiba and others have far faster CPUs, better screens, far more storage, flexibility, etc., and some have extremely long battery life, too. The PocketPC idea tried to do everything, while doing nothing well. Palm had a good niche, but they got too ambitious, and went the same way.
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    3. Re:New PocketPCs stink by biostatman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have re-discovered my old iPaq, and am finding it to be great! With MythTV + mencoder + TCPMP + 1GB CF I can take recorded TV with me to watch on the train (+ listen to Podcasts). I can read all of my Palm DOCs and Avantgo content. It still can sync Calendar fine w/ Outlook/Exchange. I upgraded to a high capacity Lithium Polymer battery for ~$20 on Ebay and get good battery life. I can put in PCMCIA sleeve, connect w/ WiFi and play MP3s off of the slimserver at home. With all the hoopla over PMPs etc... my 5 (?) year old PDA still has plenty of life in it and in many ways is more useful than many of the gadgets people are spending bundles on today.

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    4. Re:New PocketPCs stink by benzapp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Windows Mobile 5 has its issues... but the memory design is now totally different. PRevious versions of WIndows CE used main memory for storing files AND program execution. It was never really 128 megs of ram, it was whatever you set as memory allocation (usually 64/64 for most people)

      Now, that is no longer the case. All files are stored on regular flash memory, and main memory is used for program execution only. My Dell Axim X51v, which has a VGA screen, comes with 192megs of flash memory built in. That is quite a bit.

      Anyway... It works well enough. I'd prefer a slightly bigger form factor though. I don't need a PDA to be smaller than my hand. If it was about 50% bigger, I'd be real happy.

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  6. Maybe a future, but more as a small UMPC by kbob88 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think there is a market for PDAs, but not as they are currently configured.

    Most of the current uses of a PDA will probably be ceded to smartphones (calendar, address book, tasklist, calculator, MP3 player, etc).

    The one advantage that a PDA could have is that its form factor has traditionally been small enough to be truly portable and almost large enough that tasks that are next to impossible on phones' small screens (e.g., surfing the Web, using interactive applications) can actually be performed on them without too much user frustration.

    Who really likes using the Internet on a phone? Does anyone think that tablet PCs are really that portable (without a laptop bag)?

    Therefore I think there would be a market for PDAs with good sized screens and Wifi/cellular data connections. People would use them as an appliance to surf the Internet and for other applications that required more screen real estate than a phone has. The real killer machine would be about the size of a checkbook (so it fits in your pocket) and flips open to reveal two screens that fit up against each other almost seamlessly, thus doubling screen size.

    I think UMPCs are too big, and smartphones too small to be truly portable yet usable Internet appliances. PDAs could fit that niche (thus blurring the distinction between them and UMPCs).

  7. Sadly, it's true. by calice · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I rely on my Palm for all sorts of things. Primarily just keeping organized, GPS, and a book reader. When i (thought) I had lost my old one a few months back I went out to get another. No retailers carry the things in quantity anymore, and they are hard as all hell to find where they are displayed. One place I went actually had them in a cage underneath a counter, no display or anything. While a smartphone is fine for most, i believe in the general thought that if you take 2 things and combine them, you wind up with 2 inferior things in one. A bulky, annoying phone, and a small-screened pda.

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  8. What about portable gaming devices? by saifrc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Compare the installed base of PDAs (either by model, by manufacturer, or by the class of devices as a whole) to the installed base of portable gaming devices (GameBoy, et. al.), and you might see *one* possible direction for the PDA. Previously, games were popular on a PDA, but the limitations (speed, memory, battery life, etc.) made it evident that portable gaming on a PDA wasn't enough to keep the PDA craze alive as we knew it. The Nintendo DS, though, is already starting to look more and more like a PDA every day: there's a homebrew organizer (http://www.youngmx.com/?loc=ndsdev/DSOrganize), a Linux project (http://dslinux.org/), and even a game that features puzzles aimed at/successful with older people (http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=tYVqJgro- KG6QL_mMbXFoQTkQIzgi9nU). The fact that it has touch/stylus input and 802.11b is enough to get one's mental gears turning at the possible confluence of a gaming idiom and personal information management idiom in a single device. Perhaps the change will come from the other direction. As millions and millions more Nintendo DS units (and Sony PSP units, for that matter) are sold, we may get a population of generally older, more sophisticated portable gamers who demand a bit more functionality from their handheld devices -- the very same functionality that a stripped-down, basic PDA would have provided. Instead of a feature-rich-but-mostly-underused PDA that can play games, we might have a gaming-device-that-also-holds-my-calendar that can read e-mails. And I guarantee you that there are more GameBoys out there than Palms.

  9. iPAQ hw6515 is a step in the right direction by pawsa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    iPAQ hw6515 is a step in the right direction: it is a PDA with an ability to make phone calls. It has PocketPC OS with its advantages and disadvantages. You can make phone calls, surf the web, listen to MP3s, send e-mails, take photos and find out where you are - yes, it has a GPS module, too. The "qwerty" keyboard is quite handy and beats T9 systems without a doubt. The software has few quirks and takes few days to learn. Setting up secure email submission is difficult if not outright impossible but I guess this was never MS priority.

  10. PDA? by Ivan+Pistoff · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Doesn't PDA stand for Portable Digital Assistant? If you're cell phone is digital and it assists you in some way isn't it then a PDA? Same with laptops and media players. How can they "compete" with PDA's when them themselves are PDA's? Stupid....

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  12. 24 by George+Tirebuyer · · Score: 2, Funny

    I want Jack Bauer's PDA.

    1. Re:24 by geekoid · · Score: 2, Funny

      IT comes with Jack Bauer's life. You want it now?

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  13. PDAs Are Terrible, Where is Apple? by MBCook · · Score: 3, Insightful
    As someone who uses a PDA (Dell Axim x50v, WM2003) every day, I can say that PDAs have a large number of problems. The browser MS ships is amazingly terrible (if a page is long enough, it just stops drawing the background at certain points, for example). The way programs run is pathetic (there is no way to exit them by default, Dell ships a little utility to "fix" that problem). Large parts of the configuration is just hard to do (wireless for example). The calendar program on my device (whatever MS's program is) just looks ugly. Terribly ugly. I would KILL to get iCal on the thing. All the applications look like they were designed for 4 color devices, when I don't think there was anything under 256 when I bought my PDA (which is 65k). Other applications supplied with it are as hard to use. The interface used to add new appointments and tasks isn't very easy to use either. Don't get me started on ActiveSync. Installing applications is a major pain too.

    I had a Newton long ago. It was a very nice device. It was big and heavy because it was ahead of it's time, but the interface was quite nice. If Apple were to release a new Newton (or whatever they decide to call it) that was nothing more than iCan and Address Book I would be happy. VERY happy. They could add more and make it a full-fledged PDA (SafariMini, iMail2Go, whatever) I would only be happier. Someone with a decent UI touch is badly needed. I've heard rumors that the touch-screen iPod will do this (we'll see if that even exists) and if it does I will gladly upgrade.

    Or imagine how long it could last without a charge if it used ePaper? They could make it the size of a PC Card (like the old Rex PDAs) with a touch screen. Considering all the high-rez high-color screens we see out there (in phones, other PDAs, digital cameras, PSPs and DSes, etc.) they could put a great screen in there and have good battery life if they didn't go the ePaper route.

    PDAs are OK, but they have enough problems that I can see why more people wouldn't want them (especially if your phone is half-decent and can sync with your computer, stupid Sprint crippleware LG PM-325).

    Give me an OLD Newton. Same as it was. Just shrink it (as would be trivial with today's technology) and make it sync with iCal and AddressBook and I'd be happy.

    Please Apple, give us a good PDA. You did it for computers, you did it for digital music players, do it for PDAs.

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    1. Re:PDAs Are Terrible, Where is Apple? by Feneric · · Score: 3, Informative

      If Apple were to release a new Newton (or whatever they decide to call it) that was nothing more than iCal and Address Book I would be happy. VERY happy.

      With just those two features in mind one could argue that they already did, and it's called the iPod. It has both a calendar app and address book app that synchronize with iCal and Address Book on the Mac. My brother uses an iPod in exactly this fashion.

      Mind you, I'm playing devil's advocate here. I don't think the iPod interface is well-suited for PDA type functions, and I'd much prefer something that learns from the Newton.

  14. PDAs just turned into phones by captainbarky · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Look at the palm 700w. It does everything a dell axim does ... has the stupid SDIO slot, and stylus ... you can add sd mem cards or GPS or whatever you want .. plus windows mobile PDA apps. Its the same damn thing as any other PDA but also functions as a phone. Actually, its nicer cause its got a clean little qwerty keyboard right on the front for 1 handed use. I'd never use a plain PDA, but i'm pretty stoked on my 700w.

  15. phone, pda, laptop by JanneM · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's a lot of different device categories out there, but only so much space in peoples' pockets or in their minds. Two interactive devices, perhaps three if one is special purpose, is probably the limit.

    On the high end, small and light notebooks are good enough today that they work as real computers - I have a Panasonic R3, and it's my only computer. I meant to get a real desktop as a complement, but I just never got arond to it. Whenever I have my bag with me (and I usually have), it comes along. And it is a far better platform for "computing" than any PDA out there. If I were to get a PDA again, it would have to be something that complements this one on the low end.

    On the other end, my current, normal (not a smartphone) phone is capable of most incidental things I need. Calling (not that I actually speak that often), email, music player, small text reader (directions, schedule and the like), alarm clock, dictionary - web surfing too, though I don't use it much. It's certainly not perfect - the screen resolution does equal that of my old PalmIII, and is in color and much easier to read, but is of course smaller - but it is always with me and it is _good_enough_.

    A PDA would have to displace either my phone or my computer for me to consider one again. And to do that it would have to do what the lost gadget did at least reasonably well, and give me something extra - some compelling functionality that would make it interesting to switch in the first place. I am not aware of any such functionality today.

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  16. Re:Defining Your Terms by walt-sjc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My biggest beaf with smartphone/PDA's is that (in the US) they are exclusive to the cell phone company for the most part. They have a vested interest in NOT supporting WiFi, and DEFINATELY not VoIP via WiFi. Some companies (Verizon) also make it nearly impossible to install non-verizon applications on it, or deliberately cripple a device that was originally capable of doing much more.

    You end up with abortions like the Treo which is a really crappy phone and a pretty crappy PDA. Hell, you can't even get a decent simple phone with bluetooth without also getting the crappy MP3 player and crappy camera (and crippled bluetooth as well.) Furthermore, if you want to send an email they seem to want to tack on another $50 / month on top of a $60 voice plan. Considering DSL can now be had for $20/month, that's insane. Ya, it's wireless, but still...

    Now that's not to say that someone couldn't do one of these combo units RIGHT, but given history it is extremely unlikely that we will see it done well in the near future. The cell phone companies just don't get it.

    So anyway, I'm still waiting for something like a modern Zaurus which Sharp seems to have discontinued in the US for the most part. Nobody else seems to have anything close. Considering I can get a 1G SD card for $80 retail, these little 64M PDA's are just toys. Give me some ROOM man! Give my the ability to REALLY sync my mailbox which is running about 360M now... Frankly, I don't Need it to be a cellphone - not that I really want to put a brick up to my ear anyway, but I'd use it with a bluetooth headset. And VoIP over WiFi is mandetory.

  17. So Fix the Thing with Free Software. by twitter · · Score: 2, Informative
    All of the problems you describe are fixed with Familiar or Open Zaurus. I can strongly recommend either GPE or Opie on Zaurus. They both have graffiti packages that are first rate, good browsers and personal information managers. Opie, as a bonus, has a media player that does ogg, mp3 and everthing else you can think of. The newer media player is using Xine as a back end and does streaming media. Flashing the Zaurus is easy to do. I'd consider a M$ PDA a brick before flashing. Sharp's original software is pretty good but the open stuff is better.

    GPE does X and portable Gnome applications. You can use Dilo, which works better than the IE you describe, or mini mozilla, which is slower but resizes images and does other cool stuff. Xstroke gives you full screen graffiti and is the best handwriting recognition I've ever seen. The PIM stuff is supposed to sync with Evolution.

    Opie is it's own mini KDE environment and works well. It's supposed to sync with multisynk, but also imports the normal kontact files with ease. Embedded Konqueror is not as good as minimo, but it works well enough. The interface is mature, stable and good.

    The built in MMC slot is well used by both, and you can run both at the same time on Zaurus.

    Cheers, you don't have to wait for Apple to give you a PDA.

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  18. Re:The PDA is dead! Long live the PDA! by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't disagree with anything you say, but I do want to say that basically all cellphones made today have more processing power than an original palm pilot, which had a 16MHz Dragonball CPU, from the days when the dragonball was based on the 68000. My Motorola V300, which is a well-outdated phone, was middle of the road when I Got it and has a 206 MHz 32 bit RISC processor and an ATI graphics coprocessor which handles the camera and which does 2d graphics acceleration. Even my crappy little suppository-sized Siemens phone before that had Java, though it was much more limited - still, it implies a certain amount of processor power, probably at least 40MHz and probably 32 bit. Probably almost no cellphones have floating point, but since there's integer implementations of just about every codec we care about (including mp3, ogg, mpeg4 in particular DivX, and so on) that's not much of a show-stopper. With the right software (that from the V500, which is precisely the same phone but with bluetooth and different software) the V300 can even shoot video at some minuscule resolution and encode it using mpeg4. My phone has 5MB flash available, where my upgraded palm pro had only 2MB. My phone has only about 262x144 resolution (Forget the precise, but those numbers sound kind of right) but it's something between 12 and 16 bit color, transflective, and I can play video on it. I remember playing the craptacular monochrome video clips on palm that were functional only as a demo of what the hardware could[n't] do...

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  19. Re:Defining Your Terms by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Some people won't work on anything smaller than 10", some people will watch TV on a video iPod and call it good because it fits in their pocket. I think this is less a problem with technology that a hurdle created by personal preference.

    Know what I want? Components! Make a variety of displays that are basically thin clients (via X11-over-Bluetooth? RDP? Whatever, just as long as it's the standard). Make a variety of processing units. Make a variety of input devices. Make a variety of speaker/headphone/microphone units. Most importantly, make multiple brands work together seamlessly. Convergence? I want divergence by piecing together the set of interoperable parts that fit the way I want to use them!

    In my dream setup, I sit down at a public access point and get my 8" screen and compact keyboard out of my bag. That's it. I'm set up and ready to use it. They both talk wirelessly to the real processor which is squirreled away in my messenger bag and only sees the light of day when I need to recharge it. If a cell or VOIP call comes in, it's automatically transferred to my wireless earpiece.

    Us geeks will always have the iPod-sized processing equivalent of an overclocked Celeron, but Joe Businessman can buy a quad-Xeon unit and car battery on wheels to power it. Maybe I'm just going to the grocery store, so I'd only take the 3" touchscreen (so I can mark off my shopping list as I go). Have to give a presentation? Bind to the projector client in the conference room until it's over.

    I truly think this is the future. I want a cheap Dell processing box that never leaves my shirt pocket, or beltclip, or whatever. I want a nice Samsung client to display it's output. I want a Happy Hacking portable keyboard for input. See, ever since Palm discontinued the IIIxe, their hasn't been a single model of PDA from any manufacturer that covers all the features I want. Dell might not make as much per individual item by selling the components separately, but I truly believe that they'd make a killing by hawking vast numbers of the smaller pieces. No PC maker that I know of sells monolithic PC-screen-keyboard-mouse desktop units, but that's exactly how they expect you to buy your portable electronics.

    Wake up, Apple and Dell! There's a whole untapped market of people who'd love to customize their PDAs, particularly those people who have never used one (start off with a cheap CPU and upgrade it later if you like it). And the thing is that all of the hardware, software, wireless tech, and protocols are in common use that could make this happen today.

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  20. If it doesn't fit in my pocket ... by jc42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I remember reading that back when the first Palm Pilot was being developed, there was a mantra among the developers to the effect that "If it doesn't fit in my pocket, it won't be in my pocket."

    This is why I'd predict that the "smartphone" will win over the "PDA". The gadgets that are being marketed as PDAs now mostly are physically too large for the typical shirt pocket.

    My wife even has a Treo, but she mostly leaves it home on the desk, because it's "too big", and carries a tiny cell phone that's just a phone. The Treo doesn't get used much, except for the few games she has loaded. (She loves the Sudoku puzzles. ;-)

    For several years, I had a Kyocera smartphone, which I used a lot as both phone and PDA. At least I did, until it lost its calendar, and when I tried to reload from backup, it "backed up" its (empty) calendar, wiping out the backup. So I went back to a paper pocket calendar, which is more powerful anyway.

    When it started dying, due to a company subsidy I got a CrackBerry. It also fits in my pocket, and is a fairly good phone, but otherwise not too useful. Now that I don't work there any more, and pay for it myself, I find that it's not worth the money. If you're not on an Outlook email system, its email is fairly cruddy and difficult to use. Its browsers are all cruddy, not much better than the initial Mosaic release. And our attempts to use it as a modem all came to naught. (Yeah, the salesmen said it would work, but after the company signed the deal and gave us developers the BBs, we found that RIM's CS people couldn't be bothered to answer our question.) So much for the idea that it would get our laptops connected where there was no wifi.

    Frankly, the things are mostly a waste of money, unless you have one with software tailored for the one job you need it for.

    I keep hoping the handhelds.org people will come up with a way to do a pocket-size gadget that does GSM/GPRS/wifi and can also talk IP across a USB and/or Bluetooth link. With linux on board, including ssh, I could program the rest of the stuff myself, and we won't have to deal with the obtruction from the phone companies who insist on locking us out of the most useful stuff.

    Yeah, I know; I'm dreaming. There's no way the US phone companies will allow a pipsqueak like me to use "their" infrastructure for my own development purposes.

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  21. Re:Death to the PDA, Long Live the Cell Phone by getmerexkramer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does wanting a bigger screen than any current cell phone make me a fanboy?

  22. PDA future = bright by M0b1u5 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Disclaimer: I did not RTFA

    However, I am currently in the market for a PDA for my mother to travel with, for 3 months, to Africa and Europe. She has just bought a nice new Digital camera with a 1GB SD card in it.

    Here's why PDAs are important: SIZE AND WEIGHT!

    For a 3-month trip, for a 70-year old woman every single gram of weight is important. A laptop is simply out of the question, as she'd throw the thing in the rubbish after 3 weeks, I'm sure.

    What she needs is a device with the following attributes:

    1) Small
    2) Light
    3) colour screen of at least half VGA resolution
    4) hand writing recognition
    5) WiFi
    6) Bluetooth
    7) At least 2GB of storage
    9) Email
    10) Web surfing
    11) MP3 player
    12) Diary/Blog functionality
    13) SD card reader
    14) Image slideshow
    15) Screen orientation flip
    16) Fast recharge
    17) At least 6 hours battery life
    18) Ability to open most "common" file formats: PDF, Word, Excel etc.
    19) Voice recorder

    Of lesser importance, and able to be performed by a different device are

    1) Very small and light, yet full size keyboard
    2) Ability to dial-up to the Internet via GSM or Analog cellular connection.

    features which are currently not available but would be desirable:

    1) Projector, such that the cigarette-packet size object can create a screen of 19" (or larger) size at resolution of at least 1280 mode.
    2) Biometric security: finger print enables device after powerup.
    3) User swappable battery - or preferably, methanol based fuel-cell.

    Currently, I am leaning towards the PalmOne "LifeDrive" with 4GB of disc space, and the iTech Virtual Keyboard, which uses a low power laser to project the KB onto a surface.

    I feel that these two devices, along with a bluetooth-enabled GSM cell phone (which she already has), coupled with the WiFi and Bluetooth offer a traveller unparalleled connectivity and productivity at a very low "footprint". When space and weight are considered, the PDA definitely has a niche, but in the future, as fuel-cells allow faster processors, it's only a matter of time til the PDA is a full-featured PC, with USB2.0, firewire, built-in cellphone, projector, and incorporates a VKB - all in a single device.

    Can I order mine now please?

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  23. Let's see why... by DoChEx · · Score: 2, Informative

    Battary life is now counted in minutes on these things not days or weeks! They cost stupid money and it makes more sence based on battery life + cost to buy a cheap laptop as you get way more bang for your book.

    You want one to cost no more then $200 with 4GB storage, screen large enough to play movies, last 3 days without recharge i.e. a weekend away. Small, light, sturidy. has USB to other devices not just to a PC. WiFi + Cell Phone + Skype Phone. Easy to develop for, (i.e. free SDK) Palm Pilots were the bomb to code. And that means you could get a small games device, but nothing to powerful, maybe SNES standard (sprite based, i.e. not 3D).

    I'd buy one of them, heck that's what Sony should do with the PSP2 it would be great as it's about the right size for all of the above (although you would want 3d GFX in that case) + the fact it was a phone would be liker killer, then with the WiFi Video confrencing for kids... it would be nutz

  24. 12" iBook by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 2, Informative

    Granted there are many benefits in a PowerBook, but I've found that the 12" iBook I had got close to 5 hours per charge for me. 14" probably is pushing it as far as the size requirements, but the 12" is a nice size for travel.

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  25. Problem with PDA USB Hosts - battery power by blorg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One of the issues with being a USB host is that PDAs generally don't have the battery capacity to supply USB power. The Nokia 770 (great device BTW), for example, can act as a USB host but will only work with powered peripherals (which excludes thumb drives) unless you use a powered hub in the middle.

    Obviously having to lug around a powered hub or search for a wall socket for your peripherals limits the usefulness somewhat. (Although there is a niche of battery-powered USB hubs.)