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Summer of Code 2006 is On

chrisd writes "The Summer of Code is officially on again this year. As of today, we're taking in applications from mentoring organizations, so watch that list of mentoring organizations grow! Then, starting May 1st, we'll start taking student applications. We've prepared two FAQs, one for Mentors and one for Students. We've also have created an IRC channel and Google Group for you. The website for the Summer of Code can be found at http://code.google.com/soc/."

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  1. Dear Students, by Dear+Students · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Spend your summers doing stuff other than coding. Get a job working outside or at Mac Donalds. Once you graduate and spend your days coding, you'll wish you did. You have years of 'summers of code' ahead - at your job. Try something else while you have the chance.

    1. Re:Dear Students, by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have years of 'summers of code' ahead - at your job. Try something else while you have the chance.

      Yes, but those summers of coding will be heavily deadline driven and for projects one probably doesn't want to work on that much. Whereas a 'Summer of Code' is more about working on something of personal interest and learning. It's more a workshop than a day-job.

    2. Re:Dear Students, by Noishe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, students, spend your summer working in a greasy McDonalds getting the worlds largest pimple collection, instead of spending it doing something fun and challenging with flexible hours and working from home while doing something good for the state of humanity.

    3. Re:Dear Students, by VJ42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      On the other hand, it's good practice, and if you do well it looks great on your CV

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    4. Re:Dear Students, by someone300 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Summer of code:
      - Working on something you enjoy
      - Possibility of getting 4500 USD personally and 500 USD for your favourite OSS project
      - Doing something that will benefit at least one person somewhere else in the world, if not many thousands.
      - Practice for future job probably
      - Something reasonably unique to put on CV

      McDonalds
      - Boring, hot, horrid job
      - Shit money
      - Further perpetuating the problem of obesity and heart problems by providing overweight middle aged men and women and their kids, for whom they can't be bothered to cook a nutritious meal, with their daily dose of fatty dead animal
      - Time spent doing repetitive tasks that require no skill or thought
      - Just another generic teenage job to put on your CV, if mentioned at all

    5. Re:Dear Students, by It'sYerMam · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you're going to do CS, don't even bother listening to this guy. You get out of University, and all the job offers are asking for experience. I don't think they mean experience in McDonalds. Summer of Code is a way to make a quick buck, doing something fun and challenging that will look hella good on a CV or application. I don't see any negative points except for the effort required...

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    6. Re:Dear Students, by JanneM · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Spend your summers doing stuff other than coding. Get a job working outside or at Mac Donalds. Once you graduate and spend your days coding, you'll wish you did. You have years of 'summers of code' ahead - at your job. Try something else while you have the chance.

      Of course, once you graduate you compete for jobs with people that did things like Summer of Code or interned at future employers rather than pulling weeds or slinging burgers. Which means that those burger-cooking skills might come in handy after graduation as well.

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    7. Re:Dear Students, by hritcu · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't see any negative points except for the effort required...

      Unless you are lazy this shouldn't be a problem either.

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  2. Re:Cheaper than outsourceing to India by xoran99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is not work for Google in particular, but for open source projects in general. In my opinion, it is an excellent way to get young people to get involved with open source, as they are offered monetary incentive. This is unusual for an unproven developer joining any open source project, I think.

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  3. Just What I was Hoping For. by WeAzElMaN · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was too young to participate in the competition last year, but I've been hoping against hope that the SOC would happen again this year.

    Count me in, in other words.

    I really think it's great that Google's taken this step to advocating Open Source among the future of software development (ie, students). It's exciting and a ton of great Open Source groups benefit from the fruits of these kids' labors.

    Kudos to you, Google.

  4. Re:About the IRC channel by chrisd · · Score: 4, Informative
    It isn't really about Freenode, but I'm used to being on slashnet. So there you go.

    Chris

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  5. What happened to all last years projects? by SeaFox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think it would be nice to find out what ultimately became of all the work done on last summer's coding. Voice/Video support for Gaim was one of the Summer of Code projects last year, and it's still a feature being pushed further into the roadmap.

    1. Re:What happened to all last years projects? by gstein · · Score: 4, Informative
    2. Re:What happened to all last years projects? by yogikoudou · · Score: 5, Informative

      Miguel de Icaza, founder of the Mono project, made a blog post yesterday about the state of the SoC projects for Mono : http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
      11 projects out of 16 were continued, 6 students still being involved in Mono today.

      The Mozilla project had far less chance : None of the 10 projects are alive as of today : http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/gerv/archives/2006/ 03/summer_of_code_six_months_on.html

      I guess they'll be more carefull about the motivations of the people the choose this year...

    3. Re:What happened to all last years projects? by Sdoh · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Happened to work with one of the products of last "Summer of Code" (no fingerpointing). Raw, unfinished, bad coding, no docs. Ended up delegating it to one of my friends in one of the 3rd world country. He wrote it from scratch in 4 weeks for $300.

      I guess the value of "Summer of Code" is mostly educational.

    4. Re:What happened to all last years projects? by pablodiazgutierrez · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you did that and got the money from Google, you've just put those $4500 in risk by publicly admitting not having done the job yourself.

  6. The Sunlight it Burns by Soporific · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do they really need a contest to keep nerds a pasty white/translucent color? It's not like summer was going to get anyone out of the basement. ;)

    ~S

  7. Re:Summer of Code 2005 was teh fail by nanop · · Score: 3, Informative
    It seems that the mono project had better results: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    • 3 projects never completed (QNX, CIL C++ extensions, XSLT compiler).
    • 2 projects half-done, and the resulting code is not very useful (Ruby.NET and GCC CIL).
    • 11 projects that were completed to our satisfaction (Cecil/write support, MSBuild implementation, ASP.NET GUI designer, bug finder, XAML Compiler, Diva Video Editor, PHP Compiler for .NET, Monodoc improvements, Windows.Forms' DataGridView and JScript class library implementation)
  8. Re:Cheaper than outsourceing to India by damiam · · Score: 4, Informative

    What are you talking about? SOC participants get paid $4500.

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  9. Maybe Summer of Code is too narrow? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I realize that the program is called Summer of _Code_, but I think a lot of open source projects could benefit just as much from dedicated QA or documentation work. I mean, I've seen a lot more people complain about gaim's instability than its lack of a "music messaging" feature =P.

  10. A bit distasteful by Umbral+Blot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the Summer of Code is a good idea in principle, but what I find a bit questionable is how heavily Linux oriented it is. There are open source devlopers who write for Windows (and Mac, and Amiga, ect) as their primary platform, and a great many CS students use Windows as their primary OS. I feel that the Summer of Code is slightly biased against them (at least the last one seemed to be).

  11. Oh so close... by masterzora · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This is something I was hoping to do. Certainly better pay and more fun than my current job! Unfortunately, I fall short on a _single_ eligibility requirement: age.

    Oh well, there's always next year.

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  12. Re:Summer of Code 2005 was teh fail by noneme · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Was the point to produce full-fledged software or to give students a chance to learn more? If google wanted finished and functional software, I'm sure they'd hire the experts to get it done in time. The point of the summer of code is to grant computer science students the opportunity to do something in their field for a summer job instead of flipping burgers.

    So before you call the Summer of Code a failure, question what the student workers _learned_ instead of how many stable releases they built.

  13. If you think about applying... by shalunov · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...please take a look at my little piece on grading proposals Summer of Code 2005 written after the students who made it were selected.

  14. Then Write a Proposal... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No offense, but if you think Windows (or Mac or Amiga or whatever) needs more representations, then I suggest you tell those CS students using Windows and open source developers for Windows to participate!

    Better yet, tell the Windows open source projects to offer to be mentors, and tell the CS students to apply. Heck, the two groups might even match up!

    Personally, I think the SoC 2005 participants included a great number of platform-agnostic projects. Web apps like Drupal, Gallery, XWiki, Java projects, Perl, Python (all multi-platform groups...) Mozilla/Firefox, OpenOffice... the list seems pretty good to me. Heck, even WinLibre (free software for Windows) was represented.

    But by all means, if you think there need to be more participation from groups X, Y, and Z then I think you better tell them to sign up ASAP!

  15. Re:Cheaper than outsourceing to India by eviloverlordx · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah. One person's 'funny as hell' is another's 'huh?'

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  16. Re:About the IRC channel by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yeah, but then you're just trading it for Lilo notice spam, screwed up hostname spoofs that goes against the rfc, and other silliness. Why not just have it over MSN Chat if you're going to violate all the relevant standards anyways?

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  17. Nmap project was a great success by fv · · Score: 5, Informative

    What will GOOG do to stop the same outright shambles this time round?

    The page you linked to says nothing about outright shambles. He specifically says "I don't want this post to be seen as bashing either SoCcers or mentors". The page offers some excellent comments and suggestions for 2006, and I'm glad to see that Google is listening (Chris responded in the comments). Some of the suggestions are also meant for us mentors. The Nmap project is proud to have been invited to participate in SoC again for 2006, and we are looking forward to it!

    You can call it "outright shambles" if you want, but all the emails I have from participants talking about how much they learned and enjoyed the program speak otherwise. And was it valuable to the Nmap project too? Take a look at their efforts and decide for yourself:

    • Doug Hoyte nearly tripled the size of the version detection database, and added OS/device type/hostname detection using the version detection DB. He made numerous other improvements as well.
    • Zhao Lei added more than 350 OS detection fingerprints to Nmap, bringing the total to 1684. He also helped design a 2nd generation OS detection (stack fingerprinting) system.
    • Adriano Monteiro designed and implemented an advanced Nmap GUI and results viewer named UMIT (screenshots).
    • Ole Morten Grodaas designed and implemented another advanced Nmap GUI and results viewer (its nice to have choices in open source!) named NmapGUI. Details and download here)
    • Chris Gibson has written a sweet little network tool named Ncat, which takes the venerable Netcat in an interesting and extremely useful direction with features such as connection brokering, socks proxying, and much more.
    • Paul Tarjan added the runtime interaction feature to Nmap. While Nmap is running, you can now press 'v' to increase verbosity, 'd' to increase the debugging level, 'p' to enable packet tracing, or the capital versions (V,D,P) to do the opposite. Any other key (such as enter) will print out a status message giving the estimated time until scan completion.

    They did much more -- these are just some of the highlights. So I, for one, am looking forward to continuing these outright shambles again this year! But at the same time, there is always room for improvements . So I appreciate Gerv's constructive criticism.

    -Fyodor

  18. Winter of code? by miro+f · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The summer of code would be great if it was actually on during the summer, and I didn't have university to worry about.

    damn Aussie seasons

    I don't suppose there's any chance of a Google "Winter of Code"

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