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Organic LED Could Replace Light Bulbs?

egrinake writes to mention a BBC article about a 'natural' replacement for lightbulbs. From the article: "The organic light-emitting diode (OLED) emits a brilliant white light when attached to an electricity supply. The material, described in the journal Nature, can be printed in wafer thin sheets that could transform walls, ceilings or even furniture into lights. The OLEDs do not heat up like today's light bulbs and so are far more energy efficient and should last longer."

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  1. stupid energy noob question by stud9920 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's so wrong about light bulbs or processors producing heat besides their natural purpose ?

    It seems to me the more heat I produce from my bulb/processor, the less my temperature regulator will pull energy from my heating system (based on gas, which is becoming more expensive). What's wrong with this way of thinking ?

    1. Re:stupid energy noob question by meringuoid · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It seems to me the more heat I produce from my bulb/processor, the less my temperature regulator will pull energy from my heating system (based on gas, which is becoming more expensive). What's wrong with this way of thinking?

      There's an extra layer of inefficiency. If you heat your house by burning gas, you get nearly perfect efficiency: almost every joule of heat liberated by the chemical reaction goes into your house, with a relatively small amount of waste heat going up the chimney; modern boilers are very efficient indeed at getting every bit of heat they can.

      If, OTOH, you heat your house by electric current - i.e. by the waste heat from your electrical devices - then somewhere in the world there's a power plant burning gas on your behalf. That plant converts gas to heat at higher efficiency than your boiler, but then wastes energy in the conversion to electricity, and then even more is lost in transmission to your home.

      So, if you switch to more economical lighting, your boiler will have to burn a little extra gas because you're no longer getting the heating effect of old-fashioned incandescent lightbulbs. But that's more than offset at the power plant, where they have to burn less gas because you're consuming less electricity.

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    2. Re:stupid energy noob question by dascandy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's true in the greenhouse-only world.

      In the practical world, due to taxes and varying regulations and base tariffs being exchanged on the varying tarif of gas/electricity, I've been able (2 years ago) to lower my gas bill by 350 euros by raising my electricity bill by 36 euros. I left my duron 1200 computer on day&night and thereby saved a lot of cash. You needn't believe it, but I'll just keep the money to myself.

    3. Re:stupid energy noob question by LordVader717 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm no expert either, but I would still expect an insulated building to be better at keeping the temperatur low in your situation. The thing is, with a light colored surface, good insulation, and ground contact (after the first couple of inches it's usually pretty cool wherever you are), you will have a hard time heating it up in the space of a day.
      Without insulation, you are completey laying yourself to the mercy of the climate.

      Wood is generally a good insulator though. I can't see how an airflow would help though, because that will be the same temperature as the surrounding.

    4. Re:stupid energy noob question by Spock+the+Baptist · · Score: 5, Insightful
      There's an extra layer of inefficiency. If you heat your house by burning gas, you get nearly perfect efficiency: almost every joule of heat liberated by the chemical reaction goes into your house, with a relatively small amount of waste heat going up the chimney; modern boilers are very efficient indeed at getting every bit of heat they can.


      The above statement assumes that you live in a place where heating is the main problem for indoor environmental control. I'd like to point out that for folks between the Tropics of Cancer & Capricorn or respectively just above, or below them heating is not the problem, cooling is.

      Here in East Texas we're already running our air conditioners and it's only April. The reason for this is not that it's all that hot, but to dehumidify the air in our homes, offices, etc.. I've lived in Texas for all my 40 plus years. Normally we have more than ten days of 100 degree F. or greater being our daily high temperature. Late July, and all of August, plus the first half of September can produce some real scorchers. The use of high efficiency lighting, helps reduce the power consumption at home, office, etc. in two ways. First, it simply use less Joules to produce a given amount of lumens of light, second it reduces the amount of waste heat that the AC must deal with. So, you save on the cost per lumen of light, and you save on the cost of AC that is used to rid the indoor environment of the wast heat.

      I've noticed that many of the post here on slashdot have a 'high latitude/left coast' bias on energy issues. Can't imagine why.
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  2. 100% efficient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    TFA speculates that these oleds could become 100% efficient. Maybe these people should go to work on the perpetual motion machine. I'd bet the farm that they can't achieve 100%. "In this family we obey the laws of thermodynamics." etc. etc.

  3. Re:Quick, bury it! by david.given · · Score: 4, Insightful
    What's the bet a few light globe manufacturers will get together, buy the rights and then put it away in the archives?

    Because if they could do this, they'd have already done it for fluorescent tubes, which can be up to about 60% efficient (compared to 10% for incandescent bulbs)?

  4. Re:Quick, bury it! by Detritus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Rag paper has been around for a very long time. US currency is printed on rag paper. Wood is a popular raw material for paper products because it is cheap. No conspiracies needed, it's just economics.

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  5. Re:Quick, bury it! by mjh · · Score: 5, Insightful
    A secret conspiracy to deprive the public of OLEDs makes a bunch of assumptions:

    1. There is no patent protecting this invention... AND
    2. The consumer demand for this invention will be high... BECAUSE
    3. It can be effectively used as a substitute for normal lightbulbs ...AND
    4. It's more cost effective than normal lightbulbs (e.g. initial cost + lifetime eneregy spend is less for OLEDs than normal lightbulbs)

    IF all of those things are true, then let a bunch of lightbulb manufacturers conspire not to produce it! All it takes is one who's willing to produce it, who can then start reeping huge market share (to meet the assumed customer demand). Heck, it could be you. If all of the above things are true, then you could come in and make a killing on this thing even if every single lightbulb manufacturer chooses not to. And as soon as you do, every manufacturer who "conspired" not to produce this will be forced to in order to chase after those profits that you're getting.

    If any one of those assumptions above is false, then it does not require a conspiracy to prevent widespread production of this product. The most likely assumption that's false is #4, but it could be any of them. In any case, if we don't see OLEDs dominating the lighting market, will you simply conclude that it was a secret conspiracy or that maybe one of your upfront assumptions was false? My recommendation would be to apply occam's razor.

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  6. OLED vs LED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I know OLED displays are currently in research stage, but why isn't anyone making displays out of normal LEDs? LEDs being semiconductor components like transistors, shouldn't it be easy enough to miniaturize them to be small enough to be pixels? Or don't they emit enough light at such small sizes? Why do you need them to be organic to be suitable for displays?

  7. Re:Quick, bury it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    There is a difference with Flourescent tubes: a lot of people hate them (I hate the attribution a lot of people... but hey).
    Flourescent tubes give off a crappy light that makes a lot of people ill...

  8. Re:Quick, bury it! by shawb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ahh... but a dimmer means the bulb is not running at it's most efficient point, and so you use more electricity per lumen.

    Which gets us to the real reason light bulbs don't have drastically longer lives... tuning a light bulb so it has a longer life means that it has significantly lower energy efficiency. Those "long life" light bulbs you see in the supermarket usually end up costing you more in the long run. They do make some sense to use them in a situation where they are difficult or even dangerous to replace, but then you would be wise to consider compact flourescent as they last VASTLY longer and use significantly less energy. And that "bad light" and "flicker that makes people sick" is pretty much an artifact of the past. Newer tubes and bulbs have much cleaner light.

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  9. People like sunlight by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The OLEDs do not heat up like today's light bulbs and so are far more energy efficient and should last longer.

    Yes, but does it create a nice black-body spectrum curve like conventional light bulbs?

    Most people like warm cross-spectrum light because it resembles sunlight, I didn't RTA but 'a brilliant white light' sounds like fluorescent to me. Not a very 'natural' alternative.

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    1. Re:People like sunlight by rebelcool · · Score: 4, Insightful

      tungsten isnt close at all to sunlight. If you've noticed those newer "natural" light lightbulbs you get are just tungsten with a blue filter on it to cool the color temp down.

      theres also many types of fluorescent bulbs. the film industry uses daylight balanced fluorescent quite a bit now because you can have a continuous light source without all the extra heat generated by the incadescents.

      in any case, regardless of what the color spectrum is, it is easy to color filter a brilliant white light.

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  10. Re:Good Idea... by Surt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is pretty funny, but in reality I fully expect that a lightbulb over the head will always be symbolic of idea, it's just that eventually we won't know what a lightbulb is. It'll just be an idea over the head, and no one will know why it looks like that.

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  11. Re:longevity of light bulbs by doti · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If not, how do you explain that the bulb allways burn when you turn it on, and almost never while it's already lit for some time? Well, that's how it seems anyway. I am not a scientist, but it makes sense to me, AND it matches the fact I experienced in the last five years in my own house.

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