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Organic LED Could Replace Light Bulbs?

egrinake writes to mention a BBC article about a 'natural' replacement for lightbulbs. From the article: "The organic light-emitting diode (OLED) emits a brilliant white light when attached to an electricity supply. The material, described in the journal Nature, can be printed in wafer thin sheets that could transform walls, ceilings or even furniture into lights. The OLEDs do not heat up like today's light bulbs and so are far more energy efficient and should last longer."

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  1. economy by boldi · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's only one question every time. How much light/W does it produce (lm/W)? And what is the price for the 'OLED bulb'.

    And... do not compare it to traditional light bulbs. Traditional light bulbs are dead.

    Of course, LEDs have achieved a lot in producing more and more light, but currently it is some 10s or 100s fold differends between the price of the
    fluorescent light sources and a LED based one, and the fluorescent light source (mostly) produces more light than the LED.

    Yes, I hope that OLEDs will be the ones who can reach the barrier, but until that this article is very-very optimistic :)

    check
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    http://europa.eu.int/comm/energy_transport/atlas/h tmlu/lightdintro2.html
    articles:
    http://europa.eu.int/comm/energy_transport/atlas/h tmlu/lightdintro.html
    http://www.lumileds.com/pdfs/TP40_IESNA_July%20200 4_LED_Paper.pdf

    1. Re:economy by Decker-Mage · · Score: 2, Informative
      From the article cited in a post above ("Measuring the Efficiency of Organic Light-Emitting Diodes"), incandescant bulbs come in about 15 l/w, current OLED's 20 l/w with the potential of reaching efficiencies of 60 l/w. Even a 33% increase in efficiency is a good start and if they can reach 400%, that's a heck of a step towards paying for these devices let alone towards conservation efforts.

      Actually, this isn't anything new. I've known about it for several years now. Nice to see it finally clawing its way out of the lab though.

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  2. Re:stupid energy noob question by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 2, Informative

    1. Light bulbs heat around where they are, the ceiling and not where people usually are (closer to the floor).
    2. Heating allows for fine tuning of the temperature.
    3. In the summer, the excess heat from the light bulb must be negated by your cooling system, causing even more energy drain.

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  3. Re:stupid energy noob question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    It seems to me the more heat I produce from my bulb/processor, the less my temperature regulator will pull energy from my heating system (based on gas, which is becoming more expensive). What's wrong with this way of thinking ?

    Most of us aren't stupid enough to live in Alaska. See, there's this little thing called "Summer"...

    Plus, a heat pump is about 300%-400% as energy efficient as resistive heating. Excepting a handful of latitudes, anyone who can afford a heat pump and doesn't get one ought to do the rest of us a favor and just off themselves right now, instead of using up oxygen while waiting around for the inevitable Darwin Award.

  4. OLED vs LED by minimum · · Score: 3, Informative

    OLED's are nice for displays, but not enough lumen/watt efficiency for general illumination.
    LED's are improving much faster - 100Lm/W from Nichia to hit market soon:
    http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/technology/show Article.jhtml?articleID=181503227/

    1. Re:OLED vs LED by Savantissimo · · Score: 3, Informative

      I may be wrong here, but from what I remember from high school LEDs produce light by making an electrical arc over a _very_ short distance.

      No, LEDs work by using a voltage to push charge carriers in a semiconductor diode above the "bandgap" of the diode (the energy level at which the diode starts to conduct, which is determined by the type of semiconductor material used).

      One part of the diode has positive charge carriers, the other has negative charge carriers, like so: +V ---{ p | n }--- V- Because like charges repel, the positive voltage pushes the positive charge carriers to the p-n junction in the center and the negative voltage also pushes the negative charge carriers to the p-n junction. The energy released when the positive and negative charges combine in the p-n junction comes out as light of a frequency (color) determined by the bandgap voltage.

      This is a quantum process: Energy = Planck's constant * frequency (or E = h*f, often written E=h*v - that's a nu, not a v).

      Sparks require a voltage that is higher the farther apart the electrodes are, and the highest frequency light produced does depend on the voltage, but sparks produce broad rather than monochromatic spectra with energy emitted down to very low frequencies.

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      As an aside, one can measure Planck's constant using LEDs:

      Since the energy per charge carrier is the voltage times the charge (Electron-volts, which can be converted to Joules by multiplying by the factor coulombs per electron, 1.6E-19) and the wavelength is known from the manufacturer's data sheets and can be converted to frequency by:

      frequency(Hz, 1/s) = speed of light(3E8 m/s) divided by wavelength(m, usually listed in nm = 10E-9m), given LEDs of known frequencies one can measure Planck's constant.

      h = E/f = [V*(1.6E-19 Coulombs)*(wavelength in nm)*(1E-9 m/nm)]/(3E8 m/s) or

      h (in Joule-seconds) = 5.3E-37 giga-coulomb-seconds * voltage * wavelength in nm.

      Other factors make this an inaccurately low measure - the voltage needed to light the LED is lower than E = hf would indicate. (Perhaps it's the high energy tail in the distribution of thermal electron energies?)

      A potentially more accurate way to get h is to note that in E = h*f, when E is graphed against f, then h is the slope of the line. Variations in eye sensitivity and LED efficiency also introduce inaccuracies here, but green and orange LEDs seem to give a slope very close to the correct number.

      (Also note that you need single-color diodes - the "yellow" diodes commonly found are really red+green in a single package.)

      See CERNs page on Jules Hoult's high school lab lesson plan:
      lab sudent worksheet
      results results graph

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  5. Re:Quick, bury it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I work for an electronics company with a world leading lighting divsion, and I can tell you we're moving to solid state lighting (of which OLED is a form) as fast we can. It's clearly the way of the future.

    Obviously we're worried somebody else will take away our lighting market share by bringing out the killer-led-app. However, there's no question of "buying up IP and sitting on it". This playing field is as open as it gets in the industry.

  6. longevity of light bulbs by doti · · Score: 4, Informative

    Replace the light switch with a dimmer and your bulb will last MUCH longer, even if you always use it to max. That's because the kick the filament receives when turned on is aliviated. Even if you turn it to maximum very fast, it's still a lot slower then the switch. I used to buy replacement bulbs every now and then. Since I put dimmers all around the house, and that was five years ago, just two bulbs died.

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  7. Re:This article is crap. by Davey+McDave · · Score: 4, Informative

    No no no.

    First of all, PLEDs (that's POLYMER based light emitting diodes) are a liquid, so they can actually be printed using existing inkjet technology - it's incredibly cheap to manufacture because you don't need special equipment, just modify existing plants. Instead now of printing paper, you're printing lightbulbs/screens.

    Secondly, each of these is minutely small. The emissive layer is LIQUID. The resolution is absolutely fantastic, just as good as liquid crystal.

    Thirdly, LCD screens are dependant upon polarisation. You have a really strong backlight, you pass currents through the liquid crystal layer and it blocks out certain frequencies of light. No matter what you show on screen, whether it be completely black or completely white, it's consuming the same electricity, it's just that in one, the liquid crystal is letting you see it, in another it's not. Have you ever wondered why the screen gets its darkest ONLY when you turn it off? That's because the backlight gets turned off. OLEDs naturally produce the light from the off, and only use the energy required to make the frequency you need. Not only does this mean you get a more natural colour, you get REALLY good contrast because you can render black properly.

    Forthly (I should really stop this list): because you can tailor make a film of OLED to produce a particular frequency of light, it WILL look natural. If you're asking why, think back to some basic physics - you remember that when an electron descends an energy level, it emits a particular frequency of light? The sun has a pattern of frequencies produced this way, but it's with hydrogen, which is quite hard to replicate, with say, neon and flourescant bulbs. With OLEDs it's easy to tailor make molecules that'll replicate the same frequency spectrum.

    I had to do a presentation about OLEDs a few months ago mate: I know my salt.

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  8. Re:Quick, bury it! by hankwang · · Score: 4, Informative
    bulb manufacturers don't use the same filament precicely because it lasts too long

    It's much more down to earth: there's a simple relationship between light yield and lifetime (from wikipedia:

    • Light output is approximately proportional to V^3.4
    • Power consumption is approximately proportional to V^1.6
    • Lifetime is approximately inversely proportional to V^16
    More light for your watt means the bulb burns out more quickly. They are now tuned for 1000 hours, which -mind you- means about $10 in electricity during the lifetime. If you want to increase the lifetime, put it on a dimmer.
  9. Re:Quick, bury it! by SunTzuWarmaster · · Score: 2, Informative

    For those of you that do not know what an OLED is, or want an better explanation of 'em: http://science.howstuffworks.com/oled.htm

  10. Re:Quick, bury it! by hankwang · · Score: 2, Informative
    IIRC flourescent lamps are more efficent at producing light when run on RF AC compared with AF AC.

    The main reason is that the power supply can be much smaller when running at 10 kHz or so compared to 50 Hz. In the latter case, it is a ballast in series with the tube, consisting of a big and heavy induction coil. In the former, it is more like a switching power supply. More expensive components (at least if you only need to convert a few watts), but also much smaller. RF can mean anything between 3 Hz and 300 GHz.

  11. OLED is not more efficient than current lighting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    OLEDs are not going to replace light bulbs anytime soon. According to this article OLEDs are putting out about 25 lumens per watt of energy input. Compact fluorescent bulbs currently put out about 40 - 50 lumens per watt, and HID lighting (e.g., mercury vapor and metal halide) put out from 70 - 150 lumens per watt. So, if New Scientist is correct, HID lighting is up to 600% MORE efficient than OLED. The thing that makes OLED interesting is that it can be applied to any surface, but they are not more efficient than light sources we already have.

  12. You can do that already. by YouHaveSnail · · Score: 2, Informative

    Light-up outerwear is already easy and cheap. You can power 10 feet of EL wire with two AA batteries and a tiny portable inverter. That's more than enough to light up a jacket.

  13. Re:This article is crap. by marcosdumay · · Score: 4, Informative

    Your 4th point is simply wrong. The sun emits light as a dark body, and it is a very hot dark body. It is hard to emulate the sun light with LEDs because LEDs have a very narrow emission spectrum, and a dark body's emission is continuos. Also, because the sun is very hot, it emmits light at very hight frequencies (blue and violet), that are hard to abtain on LEDs.

  14. Re:Quick, bury it! by mAineAc · · Score: 2, Informative
    Wood is a popular raw material for paper products because it is cheap.

    Hemp is even cheaper and more readily renewable than wood. Personally I think it makes higher quality paper. Why doesn't the US smarten up and start pushing this as an alternative to clear cutting acres and acres of land. It also makes an excellent rotation crop because of the lack of pests.