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Dvorak Avocates Open Sourcing OS X

xzvf writes "Dvorak claims OS X and Apple in trouble. He suggests open sourcing OS X for an epic battle with Linux. In many ways, this is just insane rambling, but it's certainly entertaining on some levels." From the article: "That would make the battle between OS X and Linux the most interesting one on the computer scene. With all attention turned in that direction, there would be nothing Microsoft could do to stem a reversal of its fortunes. Let's start at the beginning. There's been a lot of fuss over Apple's rollout of the unsupported Boot Camp product, which lets Mac users run Microsoft Windows easily on an Intel-based Macintosh. I got into various levels of trouble when I suggested that Apple was going to gravitate towards Windows since it would be easy to do and there was some evidence that the company might want to do it."

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  1. "In many ways, this is just insane rambling." by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'nuff said.

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    1. Re:"In many ways, this is just insane rambling." by TopShelf · · Score: 5, Funny

      Indeed, the combination of "Dvorak" and "insane rambling" should have gotten the article modded -1 Redundant right off the bat...

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  2. Starbucks and Automobiles by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Funny


    Let me share with you friends, the deep, dark, scary secret that Starbucks is keeping. A secret so shocking that when it is released on the world, it will literally change things forever! I've only recently figured this out myself, so pay attention as I walk you through the sordid details.

    Like many super-intelligent-people-in-the-computer-industry- that-write-for-a-magazine, I get a cup of Starbucks every morning. However, this morning was to be different than all the rest. You see, a brand new Starbucks opened up near my office. (Well, nearer-er than the old one.) This new Starbucks boasted an incredible new feature: A drive through window! I could drive up to the Starbuck as if it were a McDonald's, and order a cup of coffee from the comfort of my own car.

    But then I got to thinking. What does Starbucks need with drive through windows? I mean, they're in the coffee business, not the fast food industry. People come into Starbucks to enjoy the environment, not grab their cup and run! Then it hit me! Starbucks needs drive-up windows because they are planning to bring that same environment to your vehicle! That's right, Starbucks wants to give you that same coffee-saturated, easy listening, comfortable seating feeling you get in their stores, but in your car. But how will they do it? Will they allow you to place your Venti cup in a cup holder and allow the smell to drift across your Caddilac? No!

    There can be only one explanation: Starbucks is going to make cars. Nothing else makes sense! So two years from now when you're driving your Starbucks-mobile, remember this. You heard it here first. --John C. Dvorak

    1. Re:Starbucks and Automobiles by amazon10x · · Score: 5, Funny

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  3. I have a better idea... by Otter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dvorak should buy Ubuntu. Or maybe Novell.

  4. Epic battle with Linux? by baadger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How would open sourcing OS X make an epic battle with Linux? If anything, asuming the license was favourable, it would only benefit Linux and projects like KDE and Gnome, wouldn't it?

  5. I are a pundit, too :-) by DavidinAla · · Score: 5, Funny

    I advocate that banks open their vaults to anyone who wants money. I advocate that car dealers leave their keys in the cars for anyone to take them. I advocate that restaurants make their food free. All of these things might kill the businesses involved, but it certainly would be nice for me and for other people who'd rather not pay for things.

    David

  6. This doesn't make any sense by flanksteak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I often enjoy reading Dvorak, but this is just nonsense. Apple's usability comes from their software. Nobody buys Mac because of the hardware no matter what they say. They buy it because of the OS. Apple charges a premium for their hardware, but people are willing to pay this premium because of the software. Apple comes closer to "it just works" because of OS X, not because of the nifty design of the boxes or because they supposedly use "high quality" parts.

    Switching to Windows would mean two things: 1) The differentiation factor for Apple decreases, meaning that they would have to compete more on price, and 2) Their support costs would go up because of the number of calls they'd get from users with Windows problems. Hello, spyware anyone? Not a problem for Apple now, but would change instantly with a Windows conversion.

    I still think that Apple is slowly making the move to put OS X on generic PC boxes (and eventually more OEMs). Only they're doing it slowly and quietly, so as not to awaken the sleeping giant with the massive war chest. Apple could make a move for just desktop share, as they haven't shown any interest in becoming a large-volume server OS company. Let MS and other *nixes fight over the servers, Apple would be happy with selling boxes to just the end users and software licenses to OEMs and third parties.

    1. Re:This doesn't make any sense by Sneftel · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah! You guys are completely forgetting the small but stable "are Linus Torvalds" demographic!

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  7. Uh... by TheSenori · · Score: 5, Informative

    They did. They called it "Darwin". It had everything that Linux has and had; it runs GNU software like everything else and is capable of GNOME or KDE. It hasn't performed very well.

  8. Open source ramblings by digitaldc · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dvorak claims OS X and Apple in trouble. He suggests open sourcing OS X for an epic battle with Linux. In many ways, this is just insane rambling, but it's certainly entertaining on some levels.

    How about we Open Source Dvorak's articles and let some other insane ramblings ensue, in fact, I have a few of my own.

    First, I want a epic battle between humans and robots complete with protests, picketing, egg-throwing, and flaming.

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    1. Re:Open source ramblings by antifoidulus · · Score: 5, Funny

      First, I want a epic battle between humans and robots complete with protests, picketing, egg-throwing, and flaming.

      In other words, you want a slashdot article?

  9. oh please by benbritten · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dvorak is trolling again.

    The reason Apple is 'so great' is because they control the whole experience. What you are buying is the hardware + apps +OS.

    If you sell the OS on any old PC hardware (as many have asked for) then suddenly Apple loses one of the legs or their product.

    If you open the OS then you lose another leg.

    The reason everyone wants apple to do these things is because the quality they can get when they control all those things. (no they dont control all the apps, obviously, but they provide the basic user with everything they would need in an easy to use package)

    I am so tired of people saying: I love apple OS, but i will never pay for it until they sell it for my shitty dell hardware! Well, then it wouldn't be the Apple that is able to be so high quality, and you wouldn't want it anyway!

    So, back to my original point: Dvorak is a tired hack, and he is trolling for pagehits. Please stop putting his crap up here and helping him out!

  10. Moronity by Phroggy · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I got into various levels of trouble when I suggested that Apple was going to gravitate towards Windows since it would be easy to do and there was some evidence that the company might want to do it.

    No there wasn't.

    Getting OS X onto PCs might be even more doable today, since researchers are reporting that as many as half of the business-owned PCs in operation now may not be capable of running Microsoft Vista.

    And any random crap hardware that can't run Vista should have no trouble running Mac OS X! Piece of cake.

    The Boot Camp product is pure test marketing. It's so obviously test marketing that it's hard to believe that people are foolish enough to get worked up about it.

    Yes, Apple announced that this functionality will be built into the next version of Mac OS X, because they want to wait and see how people react before they decide whether it's a good idea. Because if they had already decided it was a good idea, they would have done something differently.

    Does Windows works well on Mac hardware, or not? The idea here is to put it into the wild and see what happens in a support-free environment where Apple has no responsibility to help make it work.

    Does Windows work well on PC hardware, or not? That's debatable, but obviously Apple thinks they can make it work just as well on Mac hardware. Does it yet? No. That's why Boot Camp is in beta. There are bugs they need to work out. Some of them are documented.

    Apple needs to analyze the reaction to Windows on a Mac. This includes seeing whether there is massive rejection of the idea--protests, picketing, egg-throwing, and flaming. In other words, can the community at large live with the idea of Windows running on a Mac? That cannot be known or assumed without this test.

    Nope, it can't be known. Absolutely no way to even guess. It's not like you could ask people. You know, take a survey. And I mean a real one, not PC Magazine's equivalent of a Slashdot poll.

    Much of the positive reaction, though, seems to stem from the mistaken supposition that having Windows on a Mac will make OS X look better by comparison, so people will flock to OS X.

    Really? That's not the reaction I've been hearing. The two reactions I've been hearing are:
    • I've never used Mac OS X and I don't know if I'll like it; now if I buy a Mac and don't like the OS, I can rest assured that I can switch back to Windows without ditching the hardware.
    • I prefer Mac OS X but I have to use Windows for work (or gaming); now instead of buying a PC to get my work done (or play my games) and being stuck in XP all the time, I can buy a Mac instead, run XP when I need to work (or want to play), then spend the rest of my time running a better OS.


    I didn't bother continuing to the next page.
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  11. Insanity by stealie72 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Great, so Apple can give away either its best product (or it's number one hardware advertisement, depending on if you think Apple is a hardware company, or a software company), into a hardware environment it can't control, thereby eroding its famous stability.

    Great business plan. Apple would be insane to turn OSX into an open source product. The market has repeatedly shown what happens to high end wintel box manufacturers.

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  12. Other things John Dvorak is "advocating" by Cr0w+T.+Trollbot · · Score: 5, Funny
    • A naked jello-wrestling match between Angelina Jolie and Natalie Portman
    • The Wall Street Journal hiring John Dvorak for triple his current salary to be their technology editor.
    • Bill Gates driving up to his house and pitch-forking stacks of $100 bills onto his lawn.

    All of these ideas have the following in common with Dvorak's "advocating" opensourcing all of OS X:

    • Each would benefit Dvorak greatly.
    • Each would benefit those with the actual power to implement his suggestions not at all.
    • Each has 0% chance of coming to pass.

    Crow T. Trollbot

    1. Re:Other things John Dvorak is "advocating" by igaborf · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Each would benefit those with the actual power to implement his suggestions not at all.

      Not true. Angie and Natalie would get free Jello.

  13. This is... by Moby+Cock · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This notion is unmitigated nonsense.

    Apple is not looking to unseat Windows as the OS king or are they trying to become ubiquitous. Apple is cultivating a boutique culture with their products and they are being very successful. Starbucks charges an unreasoble amout for coffee but people pay because they like to be associated with the Starbuck images. Apple is similar but not the same. They actually produce superior products (OS X, iPod) but they want to maitain the hip and cool vibe that is associated with them. The company is doing very well at the moment. I don't understand the "death knell" attitudes of some comentators. Why on earth would they alter OS X? They are making a fortune with it.

    I think Boot Camp was introduced to shut people up. To end the Will-Windows-Run-on-Macs speculation. I firly believe that virtualization is in the card in the near future. Boot Camp is a temporary release to bridge the gap.

  14. Open-source Dvorak - giddy up! by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you set up the site, I will happily contribute idiocy worthy of The Man Himself.

    Here are the titles of some of my brilliant future submissions:

    "Microsoft Should Buy IBM"
    "Apple Should Buy Apple"
    "SCO Should Buy Enron"
    "IBM Should Buy All Copies Of Mariah Carey's 'Glitter'"
    "The Dvorak Keyboard Layout Should Buy Me"

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  15. I am really not sure why this is news by BluhDeBluh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dvorak just likes to make inane random predictions that never, and I mean never, come true. His column inches are dedicated to shots in the dark which don't deserve the time of day. He's a troll with a website who claims to be an expert, and loves making wilder and crazier predictions with a distinct Apple fetish

    Apple has the best sales they've ever had, they have no reason to open source it, and it's just... nonsense to anyone.

    Looking at Slashdot posts he thinks
    * Apple is going to move to Windows
    * Microsoft should buy Opera
    * Apple are promoted by news people more than they are used
    * the Creative Commons license is worth trashing
    * That Apple's move to Intel will harm Linux
    * Google is planning a web browser
    * Apple should discontinue the Mac
    * TiVo is a way of stealing programming

    Make your own opinions. Mine is that he's a poor troll. Okay, so he correctly predicted that Apple would move to Intel. But if you fire enough shots and make enough random predictions, you're eventually going to get one on the bullseye.

  16. Re:Dvorak is totally insane by shotfeel · · Score: 5, Funny

    So according to Dvorak, Apple's business plan is:

    1. Build Windows PCs
    2. Open source OS X
    3. ???
    4. Profit!

    Can't wait until he-with-much-wisdom fills us in on Step 3. I bet it has something to do with switching the iTunes Music Store to WMA and free iPods.

  17. Re:Open up Cocoa (not going to happen) by Golias · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Jobs doesn't want to dominate. He's a kooky hippie who managed to strike it rich, not an aspiring Bill Gates or Larry Ellison.

    He wants his *vision* to dominate.

    By that metric, he's already won.

    - Windows (the OS which most people use) looks a hell of a lot more like the Mac OS than the OS which was dominating the market (MS-DOS) when the Lisa was first introduced.

    - Almost everybody has moved to object-based development, just like he was saying they would back when he founded NeXT.

    - CGI dominates the entire animation industry, just like he knew it would when he acquired Pixar from LucasArts for a tiny fraction of what it would ultimately be worth.

    - Companies all over are pouring huge resources into finding ways to make computers more appliance-like.

    - You can buy one song you like off an album you otherwise don't want.

    The guy gets off on advancing Big Ideas and seeing them catch on. He doesn't seem to care how much he personally benefits when it happens, so long as it happens the way he thinks it should.

    He may not be after the kind of economic power which Gates enjoys, but he's clearly all about power. How often do most people get to change the whole goddamn world?

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  18. Re:How can I get his job? by mosestheripper · · Score: 5, Insightful

    run for congress

  19. Re:Open up Cocoa (not going to happen) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    By the way, I was asking netradio.com for a way to buy tracks individually ten years ago! Does that make me a visionary?? What took Steve so f@cking long??

    No you see, while you spent your time posting as an AC on Slashdot, Steve Jobs actually went out and did it.

  20. Re:Open up Cocoa (not going to happen) by dohcvtec · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Jobs doesn't want to dominate. He's a kooky hippie who managed to strike it rich, not an aspiring Bill Gates or Larry Ellison.

    True, and this is the key reason why Dvorak is clueless. He says Apple is doomed because they will never dominate the desktop or monopolize like Microsoft. If Apple not overtaking Microsoft is considered failure, then sure they're doomed, and something crazy like open-sourcing OSX may become necessary. But back in the real world, Apple is sitting pretty with the small marketshare they have, and I see their star rising with the path they're currently taking, not falling as Dvorak confusingly suggests.

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