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Google OneBox Hooks up With Enterprise Apps

TopShelf writes "Google's OneBox for Enterprise has now been integrated to multiple top-notch business applications, including Oracle, SAS, Cognos, and Salesforce.com, according to this morning's press release on Yahoo! News. PHB's everywhere will soon be able to Google their way to the information they need - what will that mean for corporate report developers and business intelligence staff?"

77 comments

  1. performance? by mapkinase · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    can it make Oracle searches faster than Oracle tools?

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    1. Re:performance? by moochfish · · Score: 1

      Can Oracle make their searches more relevant than Google's?

    2. Re:performance? by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Haven't heard them complaining.

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    3. Re:performance? by moochfish · · Score: 1

      7 years ago, people weren't really complaining about Altavista and having to go to page 3 to find the right result either. But then Google changed the status quo.

    4. Re:performance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    5. Re:performance? by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      I am not very experienced Oracle user, but from my experience, Oracle searches are quite efficient except searching through blobs. Searching in blobs is where Google could probably help to Oracle, but I always suspected that for the majority of time storing blobs in Oracle is not justified.

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  2. What is this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    What is this google thing that keeps getting mentioned everywhere, and why should i care?

    1. Re:What is this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't know. Don't care.

  3. How long til MS blocks this? by TheLinuxSRC · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "With Google OneBox for Enterprise, corporate information -- such as contact and calendar info, HR benefits, sales leads, or purchase order status -- is now instantly searchable through a Google search box as part of the Google Search Appliance."

    I assume that in order to access this sort of information, Google is searching through the stores on an Exchange server. I have not heard of any deals w/MS regarding the connector used to connect to Exchange thus I assume it is something Google has either written or had written for them. My question is, how long is it until MS "updates" Exchange under the guise of security or what have you in order to "F'n kill Google" (and their appliance)?

    Just a thought.

    1. Re:How long til MS blocks this? by scolby · · Score: 4, Funny

      The article failed to mention another important feature of the googlebox...it was in Beta for several years while Google ensured that its case was completely resistant to flying chairs.

    2. Re:How long til MS blocks this? by Swanktastic · · Score: 1

      All of those pieces of information (calendar, contacts, sales leads) are stored in the Salesforce.com database, which is a development partner for this project.

      But you are on to something, which is unless you have the connectors, this this is worse than useless.

    3. Re:How long til MS blocks this? by Amouth · · Score: 1

      if they wanted to connect to exchange youc an jsut use exlodb

      it is decently documented and functions well (abit slow with bad querys)

      and i doubt that they would change the speck on it as it has been the same sence exchange 2k came out and if they did they would distroy way more than jsut google's tool. In fact i know many places that would rather change their network and handel security issues them selves than to install something that would screw up exlodb stuff, mainly because well it is a pain in the ass to get to work right and once you have it working you don't want to touch it.

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    4. Re:How long til MS blocks this? by Xichekolas · · Score: 2, Funny

      You incorrectly assume that MS updates their products...

      Even a 'critical flaw' like allowing Google to access Exchange will take nine months and three KB articles before it will be 'fixed'...

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    5. Re:How long til MS blocks this? by Heembo · · Score: 1

      There are tons of 3rd party API's for connecting to MS Exchange. In the Java space alone, there is J-integra, compoze, com to java bridge (alphaworks, ez jcom) - and that was just from quick googling (my first Google result from a simple search was http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=608 074&messageID=4032674 )

      Exchange has been around for a while, frankly, it seems like a no-brainer to "talk" to exchange from a non-MS app!

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    6. Re:How long til MS blocks this? by Boricle · · Score: 1

      I would think that Microsoft would have to be *very* careful if they tried to modify the APIs that google were using

      Just imagine that the API's that were changed include ones used by some of the major backup software for live exchange backups (basically needing to read all the information), or the parts of the APIs used by Virus Scanner vendors

      Given the possible side effects, and that there are a lot of other applications using exchange APIs / connectors, it would be extremely difficult to do without serious, publicity generating side-effects

      NEWSFLASH!!!! Microsoft disables online backup of Exchange servers

      ...Microsoft denies all knowledge of said activities. Says that an unfortunate backup failure has resulted in the loss of all the relevent emails...

  4. My Precious by PineHall · · Score: 5, Funny

    OneBox to search them all;
    OneBox to find them;
    OneBox to bring them all,
    and under Google bind them.

    1. Re:My Precious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one welcome our new OneBox overlords.

    2. Re:My Precious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Mountain View where Searches lie...

    3. Re:My Precious by manno · · Score: 1

      ummm... in Comunist Russia the OneBox searches you!

    4. Re:My Precious by Andrew+Kismet · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be suprised if they adopted that as a marketing slogan... :-/

    5. Re:My Precious by mr_zorg · · Score: 1

      I'm absolutely certain that the engineers who coined this term had that in mind when they came up with it. It's far too relevant to be coincidence...

    6. Re:My Precious by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      And, as we all know, Google is about nothing if not relevance.

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  5. What will it mean? by Badgerman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    what will that mean for corporate report developers and business intelligence staff?"

    More to do and more to play with - if it even gets much adaption.

    Report development is not something you can substitute easily for with a search system like this. In complex reports it's both art and science. Such searches may make reports easier to GET.

    Intelligence staff - someone has to gather, write up, and analyze the data. This isn't going away either. Besides, to be cynical, if a PHB is looking for intelligence, it'll have to be provided by someone else.

    So - at best a neat new way to find stuff people are already doing.

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    1. Re:What will it mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The PHB will see it and think it needs a different font, and perhaps the corp logo - rinse and wash.... center it, etc....

    2. Re:What will it mean? by nasch · · Score: 0, Troll
      More to do and more to play with - if it even gets much adaption.
      Adoption, not adaption.
    3. Re:What will it mean? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Actually, the whole point of the article is that the OneBox got adaption.

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    4. Re:What will it mean? by bobthecow · · Score: 2, Informative

      I work in the sales reporting department for a large mutual fund firm. Most requests for reports we get come from people who don't know too much about the data they're interested in. Some of our business units can't even tell us how to define their business.

      I'm not too worried about something like this. It would help users to find the reports we've already published (so that I don't have to direct them to our web site for the third time this week) but that's about it.

      All of the 'business intelligence' type software I've seen so far has one critical flaw, and that is that it enables people who don't understand the data to get at it, and draw conclusions that are not generally accurate.

      If you haven't worked in this area, you'd be shocked at how convoluted it is, and about all the exceptions taken into account.

    5. Re:What will it mean? by nasch · · Score: 1

      Adaption isn't even a word. You mean either adaptation (which doesn't make any sense in this context) or adoption.

    6. Re:What will it mean? by Badgerman · · Score: 1

      Basic rule - if you want the intelligence in business intelligent, you need an intelligent person to apply it.

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    7. Re:What will it mean? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      {sigh} I know, I was following the parent's misuse in an attempt to be funny.

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    8. Re:What will it mean? by nasch · · Score: 1

      D'oh. Missed the humor, sorry.

  6. As with the public web... by GillBates0 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...I expect deployment of such a capable search appliance to unmask all kinds of security loopholes within current corporate intranets.

    From experience, a lot of employee data in HR/Payroll/Health systems is poorly managed, and currently "secure" only under a thin veneer of obscurity. The widely disparate database systems usually used by various groups (some developed inhouse, others contracted in) serve to make it more difficult for potential "information seekers" to access poorly managed systems.

    If this highly capable appliance makes Intranet searches as simple, widely accessible and effective as Google on the public Internet, we can expect to see all kinds of security/privacy problems cropping up on intranets, which were hidden uptil now.

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    1. Re:As with the public web... by just_another_sean · · Score: 1

      Right on. And even sadder then the evidence of such a lack of security that this uncovers will be the cries of "It's all Google's fault. This appliance is a major security risk!". Just like with Google Desktop.

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    2. Re:As with the public web... by PPGMD · · Score: 1
      On Intranets maybe, but not via the database.

      Personally Oneboxes didn't sell well before, and I don't think that this will help the sell that much more. So IMO this will have little or no effect. Report Designers will continue to make their complex reports, and business intelligence folks will continue to analyze business and sale trends as they did before.

  7. Meanwhile on slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... most geeks still wish they could hook up with even one box!

  8. Security's shot in the arm by 955301 · · Score: 3, Funny


    I was alway of the opinion that if managers in larger corporations had more effective intranet indexes they would be excreting masonry objects from their posterior orifices. Development teams and internal projects publish a lot of intersting and sensitive stuff - test data sets with real customer information, log's with ssn's embedded in them, project contact and role information that any wardriver would love to have.

    I bet the infosec departments are about to pop some champaigne corks over this one...

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    1. Re:Security's shot in the arm by davidsyes · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, to borrow words from Data...

      I guess these PHBs adn their devs will be awake late "igniting the late night combustible petroleum products"... trying to rectify the security through obscurity thingy...

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  9. Means nothing for corporate report producers by joshsnow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    PHB's everywhere will soon be able to Google their way to the information they need - what will that mean for corporate report developers and business intelligence staff?

    Unless the information is formatted (sorted, ordered, grouped, linked) and organised (styled) the way a business report usually is, the answer to the question is "Absolutely Nothing".

    There is a reason why, for the most part, the interface to website searches is not SQL based, and corporate reports don't rely on text searches.

    I suspect (not having RTFA) this box is about the providing the ability to perform Ad hoc queries against all sources of corporate data (word, excel, PDF, SQL databases/datasources etc) that data first having been spidered by a mini google in the box.

    Also, this probably isn't just about providing "PHBs" this ability. Ordinary people within an organisation often need to be able to search for docs, emails etc based on a piece of text - which is possible with things like Microsofts Index Server, but probably Index Server (or whatever it is these days) isn't as efficient as a dedicated googlebox is.

    1. Re:Means nothing for corporate report producers by davidsyes · · Score: 1

      It's probably the file type and the METAdata that Google's appliance is using. If it can build a sophisticated set of indexes and cross-reference material across departments a company and disciplines in an industry, then that would go a looong way toward making a lot of things possible.

      Even the "vaunted US Navy" has multiple descriptive terms for ONE piece of equipment, and in the supply and maintenance lines, one engineering department on ONE ship of the SAME CLASS might have separate terms for a faulty circuit, bearing, motor.... But, I read somewhere that an indexing tools such as "Google" could go through the mishmash of records, build a base index, and then allow the humans to sanitize the stuff to make a template for future records and reports. That step done, the hard part is in the rear view mirror. If Google was the entity behind cleaning up the USN's messy records, then they can probably start doing it for the civilian industry, too.

      I think it's mostly about reading tags or metadata, compiling an INdex on CONtexts, and making sure that future reports and data entry demand and enforce formatted entry of information the way a "smart" contemporary database ought to. But, companies like ms and others who thrive on non-structured data products encourage people to learn and rely on bad habits... like using (yech) spreadsheets and word processors for data repositories when ONLY a database built FOR data manipulation should be used.

      Anyway, gooooooo Google. Get there first...

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  10. What does it mean to YOU and ME? by mythosaz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It means WE have to produce more documentation - in all sorts of stupid templated forms.

    1. Re:What does it mean to YOU and ME? by Beuno · · Score: 1

      I guess you're talking about RDF

  11. google appliance by SolusSD · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the company i work for bought one of these.. its sitting upstairs gathering dust. The fact is, unless your a larger company indexing all the documents you have on your local intranet isn't necessary, not to mention most smaller companies keep companty documents located in smb shares or on file servers and not on the intranet accessible via http, which, afaik, is a requirement for the google box to index the files.

    1. Re:google appliance by truthsearch · · Score: 3, Informative

      most smaller companies keep companty documents located in smb shares or on file servers and not on the intranet accessible via http, which, afaik, is a requirement for the google box to index the files.

      Nope. Put in smb:// into the setup to index your file shares. Put in http:/// into the setup to index web pages. The appliance has always been able to search word docs and such on your file shares. It's the integration into Oracle apps and other "enterprise systems" that's new.

    2. Re:google appliance by Amouth · · Score: 2, Informative

      Personaly for our small company i just took a computer that didn't have a large load - put google desktop on it and DNKA tools http://dnka.com/ - i am jsut testing it out right now but am quite happey with it

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    3. Re:google appliance by BigGerman · · Score: 1

      and that is why some Google competitors (see my sig, I participated in development of this product) made it a big deal from the beginning to be able to search anywhere - file shares, databases, FTP sites, CD backups, whatever.

  12. Your data... by Duncan3 · · Score: 0

    The default password to all your data is now "goole0wnsU"...

    I see ScuttleMonkey has a nasty infection, good luck with that ;)

    All MY records are on paper, cause my doctors are old.

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  13. this is so exciting by Drunkulus · · Score: 1


    HR benefits, sales leads, or purchase order status

    //wets pants

  14. Love It by wolff000 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I recently deployed the small google box in my organization and it works great. I no longer have to dig for files because somebody in accounting doesn't remember where they saved a file. It makes my job easier and leaves me more time to play City of Heroes at work. Thank you Google!

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  15. The link by ajdlinux · · Score: 1

    Ironically enough the link is to Yahoo...

    1. Re:The link by truthsearch · · Score: 1

      How's that ironic? Yahoo doesn't sell a competing product and Google doesn't host full news articles or press releases.

  16. Re:Just Google PR Blather by truthsearch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe they aren't using it because it didn't "plug into" their "enterprise" business apps. Now it does. I'd say that's a major selling point.

  17. Google OneBox can't find it's own page.... by canning · · Score: 1

    To learn more about Google OneBox for Enterprise and see a Google Video of what executives at some of these companies have to say about it, please go to http://www.google.com/enterprise/onebox.

    Google
    Error


    Not Found
    The requested URL /enterprise/gsa/onebox.html was not found on this server.

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    1. Re:Google OneBox can't find it's own page.... by Xiphia · · Score: 1
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  18. Actually, we were looking at this earlier today by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 1

    We're pretty unhappy about the Microsoft search built into IIS, which we've used for years. We got a Google test box last year and were reasonably happy with it, though the database-integration wasn't that great.

    This seems to fix this. For example, if someone types in a name, we can create a custom web page that talks to the search, sending back the matches from our employee directory. It does seem to take a bit of work to build each link into your databases, but it's probably worthwhile for the big ones.

  19. It's not a commune... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

    Google is fast becoming the "killer app". And of course Microsoft has a lot to be worried about. But not just Microsoft, virtually every single other software house should be concerned as well, including many that the OSS world "likes". Google may very well become the next "extend and embrace" monster... Sure they have very smart people working for them. And they are working for them, it's not a collectively run commune or something. I believe the warm fuzzy Google will soon fade away...

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  20. In South Korea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Searches are for old people.

  21. Google just playing catch-up in enterprise search by indulgenc · · Score: 1

    This is just Google finally doing what Other Enterprise Search vendors have been doing for years.

    Any worthwhile enterprise search has been able to search across multiple data types and sources long before this "news" by Google.

    -i

  22. All your base are belong to OneBox. by CYDVicious · · Score: 1

    All your base are belong to OneBox.

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  23. Be Careful With All That Power! by oni · · Score: 4, Funny

    With the google search appliance, you're supposed to point it at your company's intranet, then it starts indexing the pages it finds and gives you a web page (let's call this "google search appliance web page") from which you do your searches.

    That's the way it's supposed to work. But if you want to, you can point the google search appliance at google.com, and have it index that.

    Then you go to google.com and give it the address of the "google search appliance web page" so that google starting indexing *your* appliance.

    And that is guaranteed to tear a whole in the fabric of spacetime, ending the universe as we know it.

    1. Re:Be Careful With All That Power! by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      Most people don't know that a Russian fur trapper pointed two mirrors at each other, inadvertently causing the Tunguska Event of 1908. In 1954, a crew filming a TV show accidentally pointed a video camera at the monitor it was connected to: they and the rest of the Bikini Atoll disappeared. The cover story was something about a hydrogen bomb but don't you believe it. Consequently, I don't think it would be wise to do as you suggest.

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    2. Re:Be Careful With All That Power! by lonesome+phreak · · Score: 1

      Or Skynet is born...

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  24. Yahoo reporting on google by eZtreme · · Score: 1

    Yahoo is reporting on Google's success? Did Yahoo realize that the way to win readers is to talk good about the crowd's favorite? Or did they hide a secret message in their article, like "oohay esu"?

  25. What the "one box" is by wootest · · Score: 1

    The "one box" is the part on some Google results where you get the News (like searching for "italian election"), or the Calculator ("500 mph in km/h"), or the Image results (can't think of a good one) etc, on the top, before the search results, because they're likely what you're looking for.

    This announcement looks to be the integration of some relevant services (and possibly your own - I didn't watch the video, and the weblog post is mum on details) into the search appliance Google has been offering for quite a while - in other words, the "one box" feature brought to the appliance, not a new box altogether, as one might (logically) infer. (They *did* launch a new version of the "Mini" search appliance, however.)

  26. Interesting app. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is an interesting app, but unless I'm missing something it really needs to be more robust to *really* be useful. Nice that I can find stuff, but this is not exactly an SQL query where I can get tables/reports/etc of what I'm looking for. It's a tool that answers a simple problem, but cannot easily answer complex ones. i.e. it gives data points, but not data clusters
    It also seems that this is sort of a limited, sideways approach to what a Data Warehouse is supposed to be. I'm not sure what large production systems would think about giving access to an app like this. If database hits or I/O are any kind of issue, access will not be granted to this kind of app.
    I'd be curious to play with it, but my expectations are kind of low.

  27. I know what it means... by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 1

    The next time you miss a memo concerning new cover sheets for TPS reports, you can simply google it!

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  28. astroturf! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no geek plays "city of heroes." Geeks prefer games where the controls actually affect what happens onscreen.

  29. What does it mean? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    what will that mean for corporate report developers and business intelligence staff?

    Well, at a guess I'd say yet another round of "rightsizing".

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  30. Re:My Precious whooooo by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    I guess Google will have dem agog... and is going to ROYALLY piss off ms... especially if this appliance has any hardware (cough, cough, LINUX) parts to it...

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  31. Mashups in search results by kingsley2.com · · Score: 1

    Think Flickr pictures of Salesforce.com contacts overlayed on a Yahoo Map. Disclaimer: I work for Salesforce.com.

  32. Re:Why this reporter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is Yahoo reporting this news? Didn't they used to use the Google search engine as their underlying search facility? Yet they still mention Google in their news, hmmm...maybe I should Google Yahoo.

  33. Re:My Precious...OneRing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think they spelled OneRing wrong.

  34. What will staff do? Run the searches... by Dareth · · Score: 1

    You ever been e-mailed with a message to e-mail to someone else with no changes?

    Yeah, they will run the searches and print out the results in a pretty format. Same as always.

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  35. Lawsuit time -- "Onebox" owned by another company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's already an internet company that uses the name "OneBox." www.onebox.com So, I wouldn't be surprised if Google gets sued.

    IANAL, but although that company uses the term for an integrated email/voicemail/fax system, where as Google is a search engine, there might be enough overlap for a lawsuit. They're both internet companies providing a service for users and enterprises. And I would think that OneBox trademarked their own name, and certainly had it long before Google introduced the term.

  36. Jumped the shark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google has jumped the shark.