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Seagate Announces 750GB Hard Drives

Hack Jandy writes "Seagate documents have leaked out the two 750GB 7200.10 Barracuda hard drives. The drives are the first desktop hard drives to use perpendicular recording, feature a 16MB cache and 7200RPM spindle."

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  1. On Seagate's product page: by amcnabb · · Score: 4, Informative

    Check out the Seagate Barracuda for more info.

  2. Great! by dcapel · · Score: 5, Funny

    We can finally Get Perpendicular!"

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    1. Re:Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I see how it works! A magical disco ball is allowed to emit it's soooper groovy radiation over the surface of the disc, which liberates the bits to stand up and boogie! It's so obvious!

      Of course, you have to thicken up the dance floor, but that's elementary.

      Still, I can't believe that there wasn't a single black bit there at the Super-Para-Magnetic Disco...

    2. Re:Great! by whereiswaldo · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm curious how many people know about perpendicular because of that effort.

      Just look at how fast the Earth's population shot up since the Get Horizontal ad campaign.

    3. Re:Great! by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They really should make more cartoons like that. We complain that nobody knows anything about technology, or how computers work, but then we don't try to teach them at a level they can understand. I think people would learn a lot more if they had advertisements like this on during commercial breaks instead of the usual low level crap.

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  3. Re:Thats a lot of pr0n by amspencer · · Score: 5, Funny

    I suppose that why it has perpendicular recording.

  4. Now that's just overkill. by ScaryMonkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    We all know 16k of storage is more than enough for anyone.

  5. How do I back it up? by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now I have to go to Costco and buy 3 250GB drives!

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    1. Re:How do I back it up? by Tatarize · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oddly enough, the reason it's good these fancy huge hard drives come out is not just to use them, but rather to drive the price of the reasonable drives down. $60 250 gigs here I come.

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    2. Re:How do I back it up? by matt21811 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So true.
      One bad thing is that the growth of large drives seems to have slowed down dramtically in the last few years and as a consequence the improvment in bang per buck of "normal" drives has also slowed down.

      I've been studying this for a while now. You can see the trend for youself at my site, http://www.mattscomputertrends.com/harddrives.html

  6. wow by bensafrickingenius · · Score: 5, Funny

    that will hold almost half of my porn!

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  7. Wow! by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Wow, and here we thought that 640k is enough for everybody!

    Each time the capacity of hard drives goes up a few gigs, I think back to the day in the mid 90's when I got my first "gig" hard drive for $500. Wow, it was the most incredible thing to be one of the first people in my neighborhood to have so much storage... I didn't think I'd ever run out of that much space. And today, the OS won't even fit into such a thing.

    But let's put this huge capacity into perspective: Having once had to reverse engineer an obsolete 3.5" floppy drive to repair an obsolete piece of industrial machinery that was down (the customer couldn't afford to replace the whole machine because of a failed floppy drive, and the OS loads from floppy of all things), I learned that this contraption, which was on the market in the 80's, was really incredible, if you take a step back and think about it for a minute. Then, all it takes is a moment to realize that hard disk drives are several orders of magnitude more complex. First, the density of a floppy drive is nothing compared to that of a hard disk even from a decade ago, and secondly, the linear motion of the reading head on a floppy is controlled by a simple stepper motor, whereas the round motion of the reading heads on a hard drive is controlled by servo. I mean, just stop to think about it for a moment. All those gigs of MP3s, videos, and pr0n on someone's hard drive, and what an incredible piece of engineering behind them.

    1. Re:Wow! by bersl2 · · Score: 4, Funny

      It sounded to me more like you had been celebrating 4/20.

    2. Re:Wow! by Erbo · · Score: 4, Interesting
      No kidding. I literally just mentioned to my wife that I remember being thrilled to pieces over getting a 1.2 Gb hard drive (which replaced a 540 Mb drive), and that these new Seagate drives make that old one look "like tablets of baked clay."

      I used to keep track of how cheap hard disks were getting in terms of megabytes per dollar. Well, we've long since hit and blown through the gigabyte-per-dollar mark; for my next upgrade, I'm considering 250 Gb SATA drives, which are already up at close to 3 Gb/dollar (and, if another commenter has the right of it, may well blast through that mark by the time I have the money to buy them).

      Obviously, at this point, it's inevitable that we will see a 1 Tb drive in 2007 if not earlier; that prediction is like predicting an egg will break when you see it fall off the counter and head for the floor. I just wonder what the upper limit is. Will we crack the terabyte-per-dollar mark? Within ten years? Five? And what will that involve, nanoscale-density recording? Gonna be interesting to find out.

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    3. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Servo motors and stepper motors are *not* the same thing. The first one uses a closed loop system, meaning that it has a sensor to detect how far the motor has moved and adjusts the signal accordingly. Stepper motors are open loop, and while they are just as precise as servo motors in laboratory conditions, there is no way to know if the motor moved the amount that the signal was supposed to move it.

      Example:

      Assume both motors move 360 degrees for every 360 pulses. If the servo motor does not reach the 360 degrees, it adjusts the number of pulses accordingly. With a stepper motor, the control sends the 360 pulses and hopes that the motor rotates 360 degrees. Most of the time it does, but if there is something wrong with the system (motor, mechanical drive, etc) you run into trouble.

  8. Re:Great for backups by nblender · · Score: 5, Funny
    When you buy your TB-iPod, it will come preloaded with the entire history of human musical creativity and you will buy unlock codes with iTunes.

    (from a co-worker)

  9. Keep in mind by dal20402 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    this absurd habit of confusing 10^9 and 2^30.

    750 (hard drive manufacturer GB) = 698.49 (real GB or GiB, depending on how anal you are).

    As these sizes keep getting bigger the need to settle on one method of calculating GB, for both OSes and hard drive manufacturers, keeps getting painfully clearer.

  10. As usual wait for the real reviews by afidel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Come on, there is no way that a 7,200RPM drive will have an average latency of 4.16ms, that's the pure physical latency of the platter! The transfer rate is similarly bogus, it's the burst transfer rate of the interface, not even the outer track transfer speed. Guess we have to wait for someone like storagereview to throw iometer at this beast and get some real info.

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  11. Re:Great for backups by bensafrickingenius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "A terabyte is a lot. It will be a lot 5 years later, and quite a lot even 10 years later."


    I'm sorry, but I really think you're mistaken. I and those in my field are caught in a seemingly unending storage excalation war. We provide 500 megabytes -- the users fill it up and demand more. We provide 50 gigabytes -- the users fill it up and demand more. We provide 500 gigabytes -- the users fill it up and demand more. Sure, they're wasting A LOT of space, and we could slow down the rate of growth by running scripts to delete MP3s or whatever every night, but that's a stopgap measure, and in the end is probably more expensive in terms of costly technician time than the cost of just slapping more drives in our Promise array. Currently we're backing up all of our servers to a 6.5 TB array via rsync -- and it's getting full. Give me a petabyte disk, please!

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  12. Re:16MB of Cache? by ZorbaTHut · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They're becoming IO-bound far faster than cache-bound. It takes literally hours to read an entire 500gb hard drive at this point. The cache, on the other hand, is staying roughly on par with the IO speed, which seems like a more natural combination.

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  13. Flash memory prices dropping by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's getting to the point where you want to keep your OS and core applications in Flash memory and things that are less important on hard drives. I just bought a 512 MB usb key for $25. Scaling up, you could get a multi-GB flash drive for a couple hundred bucks.

    Some companies have multi-tiered storage solutions (e.g. fast SCSI RAID, cheap EIDE RAID, optical, etc.). Some of those ideas may make their way into desktop devices. You'd boot off of flash memory nearly instantly (it would cache your OS and core applications), then you'd play your MP3s, surf the web, or whatever on your relatively slow hard drive.

  14. Re:Great for backups by suv4x4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    2006:
    A terabyte is a lot. It will be a lot 5 years later, and quite a lot even 10 years later.

    1996:
    A gibabyte is a lot. It will be a lot 5 years later, and quite a lot even 10 years later.

    1986:
    20 megabytes is a lot. It will be a lot 5 years later, and quite a lot even 10 years later.

  15. Re:Great for backups by pcgabe · · Score: 4, Funny
    Pictures will go upto 10 megapixels but it will stop there. Video might go upto 1024x768x32-bitx100FPS but will not exceed that.

    Haven't you seen Blade Runner?

    What will you PUT on it?
    "You've got a Friend in Porn" by Sean Cullen

    When you're feeling blue,
    you don't know what to do,
    sitting all alone,
    waiting by the phone...
    The world seems so unfair,
    no one seems to care.
    When your worlds are ripped and torn
    you've got a friend in porn.

    Thank you for the porn!
    Though other folks may scorn
    the constant mindless sex
    and the crude special effects,
    it gets you through the day
    whether bi or straight or gay.
    When you wish you were never born,
    you've got a friend in porn.

    When the night is long,
    everything is wrong.
    Your heart is on a shelf,
    you have to touch yourself.
    Reach for your old friend.
    The pleasures never end,
    and I think you'll find
    it's a friend you can rewind!

    Thank you for the porn!
    porny porny porn
    porny porny porn
    porny porny porn

    porny porno porni
    porniddly niddly new
    pornography for you,
    pornography for me,

    You've got a friend in porn
    You've got a friend in porn
    You've got a friend in pooooooorn!
    But there comes a time after which we actually run out of relevant data to put on it.

    Trust me, if your "relevant data" includes pornography, you will NEVER run out of data to put on it. Call that "Gabriel's Law" if you will. ^_^
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  16. Re:But what about... by onx · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, it should considering that according to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS [wikipedia.org] states that the maximum volume size for an NTFS volume is 16EiB. One exibyte is 1,152,921,504,606,846,976 bytes, so 16 exibytes = 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 bytes. Since a 750GB hard drive should hold approximately 750,170,112,000 bytes, an NTFS volume should be able to handle 24,590,081 of those 750GB hard drives in a RAID array. Now assuming a RAID array can handle that many of these drives, and that this new 750GB hard drive merely takes the price spot of Seagate's current finest offering of a 500GB hard drive (priced on newegg as $295 each) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82 E16822148108 [newegg.com] rather than debuting at a higher price point, which it probably will, that many hard drives would cost about $6,147,520,250 before tax, and not including any of the massive discounts one might expect to recieve for such a massive purchase. On top of that, at a sales tax rate of 7.75%, the tax on those drives would cost you $476,432,819.38. So I don't know about you, but I doubt this is going to be a problem for either XP or Vista for a long, long time (assuming you use NTFS partitions).

  17. To those saying it is too much space... by DeadboltX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the 750 GB hd is really only about 700 GB due to the manufacturers counting 1,000 instead of 1,024..
    Anyway, lets look at how much space that really is, and how easy it is to fill up.
    DVD Movies range from 4gb to 9gb depending on film length and extras, lets settle on an easy middle number, 7GB average.
    That is around 100 DVD's you could store on your hard drive (My room mate owns over 150 DVDs, so while it might be a large number to some, it is not so large to others)
    That is not including TV series, if someone were to store 1 season of the show 24 on their media center pc it would take 45GB of space.
    Also concider that HD movies are going to be around 30GB each

    Video games are getting increasingly large, Recent games like
    The Godfather (4.5gb installed)
    LOTR: Battle for Middle Earth II (5gb installed)
    TES: Oblivion (6.3gb installed)
    World of Warcraft (5.3gb installed)
    Tomg Raider: Legends ( 7.3gb installed)
    Games are only going to get larger too.

    This is not even counting people who dabble with video editing or anything like that, work-wise that consumes monsterous ammounts of HD space..

  18. Re:Great for backups by Babbster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes there's a limit to how big one movie will be.

    Actually, I don't think there is. A quick Googlin' turned up this site which informs us that uncompressed 1920x1080 video at 24 frames/second takes up space at around 400 GB/hour. So, one of these new 750GB drives maps to about one uncompressed high-definition movie, and it can't even be two hours in length (the site also tells us that this drive wouldn't even be capable of playing back such a movie - not enough bandwidth). Now, yes, we may not "need" to see uncompressed movies, but it could easily be argued that we don't "need" quality better than good old NTSC, either.

    In 20 years, we'll be watching all our movies in digital form with no compression applied and/or the resolution/frame rate will be so high that we really won't be able to tell the difference between looking at the screen and looking out the window. :)

  19. Re:Great for backups by ArbitraryConstant · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Typically if drives do die they don't die all at once."

    You must not use Maxtors.

    Good man.

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  20. Re:That's right... by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Because "GiB" is stupid. GB means 2^30 bytes, and that's just the way it is.


    Pound the table all you want, but it simply isn't "just the way it is". Keep in mind that the http://www.essex1.com/people/speer/large.html predate computers by decades or centuries (depending on your precise definition of "computer"). According to the metric system:


    1. 1 kilometer = 1000 meters
    2. 1 kilowatt = 1000 watts
    3. 1 kilogram = 1000 grams
    4. 1 kilojoule = 1000 joules
    5. 1 kiloXXX = 1000 XXXs
    6. 1 kilobyte = 1000 bytes


    The only way you could say that 1 kilobyte is 1,024 bytes is to make a special exception to the metric system's prefix rules, and the whole point of the metric system is to have a system of measurement without silly exceptions like that. If they had wanted a system where you had to memorize different rules for different units, they would have stuck with the imperial system.


    So to sum up: some computer geeks thought it would be convenient for them to redefine the metric system to work using powers of two rather than powers of ten. This was fine as long as they were only interacting with other computer geeks. When computers spilled over into the world at large, however, this little shortcut conflicted with the way the terms were/are used by everyone else. Since the traditional (powers of ten) definition has both seniority and wider usage, it is now winning out, and rightly so.

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  21. Re:Great for backups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    When you buy your TB-iPod, it will come preloaded with the entire history of human musical creativity and you will buy unlock codes with iTunes.

    When you write "musical creativity", does that mean it won't come loaded with country and hip hop?

  22. Re:Format this Red Hat! by Alioth · · Score: 5, Informative
    Eh? What are you wittering on about?
    [alioth@ZenIV ~]$ df -h
    Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
    /dev/sda3 8.2G 1.3G 6.5G 17% /
    /dev/sda1 494M 52M 418M 11% /boot
    none 1014M 0 1014M 0% /dev/shm
    /dev/sda5 4.1G 57M 3.8G 2% /tmp
    /dev/sda2 9.2G 3.8G 5.0G 43% /usr
    /dev/sda7 9.8G 2.4G 7.0G 25% /var
    /dev/md0 461G 182G 256G 42% /home
    /dev/md1 1.1T 547G 499G 53% /archive
     
    [alioth@ZenIV ~]$ grep md1 /etc/mtab
    /dev/md1 /archive ext3 rw,noatime 0 0
    See that there at the bottom? 1.1T. This is larger than 750GB. It is formatted ext3. The machine is running RedHat.