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New Internet Regulation Proposed

bumgutts writes "Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has suggested a mandatory website self-rating system. The system, very similar to one suggested under Clinton's administration, would require by law all commercial websites to place 'marks and notices' on each page containing 'sexually explicit' content, with penalty up to 5 years imprisonment." From the article: "A second new crime would threaten with imprisonment Web site operators who mislead visitors about sex with deceptive 'words or digital images' in their source code--for instance, a site that might pop up in searches for Barbie dolls or Teletubbies but actually features sexually explicit photographs. A third new crime appears to require that commercial Web sites not post sexually explicit material on their home page if it can be seen 'absent any further actions by the viewer.'"

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  1. The defense moves by Nuskrad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not porn, it's art!

    1. Re:The defense moves by badfish99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How did this get moderated "funny"? It's serious. Surely this law would have to ban nudes in art. The next step would then be to remove them from public display in museums.

    2. Re:The defense moves by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 5, Insightful

      From the article:

      The definition of sexually explicit broadly covers... close-ups of fully clothed genital regions.

      There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. It's all laid out right here. They want to criminalize something because it triggers a certain thought. A thought-crime if you will.

    3. Re:The defense moves by AstrumPreliator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's called incrementalism. They see what they can get away with. If the public gets mad they'll back away and take a few more baby steps. Before you know it you're wonderful "Democracy" is dead and gone. Actually I'm pretty sure we're there already...

      On a separate note I have absolutely no clue why the the United States is so against nudity of any kind and how sex is such a hush-hush topic that parents can't even openly talk to their children about. I mean it's not as if nudity and propagation by means of sexual intercourse are natural or anything. Maybe the United States just wants to do away with sex all together and all offspring will be test tube babies. Think "Demolition Man" type society. Hmm... Have sex? Go to Jail! Comming in 2025!

    4. Re:The defense moves by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful
      From the article:

      The definition of sexually explicit broadly covers... close-ups of fully clothed genital regions.

      Gad! You've gotta be kidding me.

      This would outlaw the Sears catalog and Victoria's Secret catalogs, as well as Sports Illustrated's Swimsuit edition. (Though, the argument could made that the latter two are more like pr0n ;-)
      There you have it, ladies and gentlemen. It's all laid out right here. They want to criminalize something because it triggers a certain thought. A thought-crime if you will.

      I wish I could disagree with you on this, but I can't. If the US is going to define close-ups of fully clothed genital regions as sexually explicit, the US is now being ran by moral purists and fundamentalists no better than the Taliban.

      What next? Government mandated knee length skirts and an outlawing of tank-tops and makeup? This is absolutely scary.

      Time for a regime change methinks.
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    5. Re:The defense moves by Anarke_Incarnate · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You live in a fantasy land. Your kids will do what they will do unless you tie them to a bed or chain them to a radiator. You only THINK they will not do these things. They will do them anyway; you will be proven wrong.

    6. Re:The defense moves by Skreems · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's not an incredibly healthy attitude, either. Sexual development can't just be put on hold until you as a parent "flip the switch". Sexual development happens over a long period of time, usually starting by 10 or 12 years old, or even younger. It's very natural for children to be curious about each others bodies, etc, and by the time you hit mid-teens, for males at least that develops into a draw towards pornography. Trying to block that completely will just make your kids repressed and immature when they finally get exposure.

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  2. What ? by moro_666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How exactly are they trying to enforce this ?

      I'd say that the sites that still want to expose erotical/sexual content, would just move 1 inch outside the US, probably Canada. So while all american sites and their revenues are hit bigtime (the search engines will definitely start to filter on this), the other countries get the profit.

      Every tenth poster about Madonna or Catherina Zeta Jones or any other female celebrity is somewhat sexual content.

      Since i'm not an american and i'm nowhere near US, it won't affect me, but it still seems enormously stupid idea. The motivation could be correct, but the implementation will suck.

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    1. Re:What ? by McGiraf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "The motivation could be correct, but the implementation will suck."

      That, my friend, is the definition of the USA.

    2. Re:What ? by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 5, Funny

      the sites that still want to expose erotical/sexual content, would just move 1 inch outside the US

      Hi, you must be new to American diplomacy.

    3. Re:What ? by lbrandy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Since i'm not an american and i'm nowhere near US, it won't affect me

      Instead of reading the the summary, thinking for 9 seconds, and posting as quickly as possible with the first kneejerk reaction you have, in order to get karma, you might want to consider reading the article. Among other things, this has been proposed before, it is also being considered in Australia (getting closer to home yet?) with the next logical step being that search engines will only (be forced to) index rated sites (effect you yet?), and the US will be able to use it's considerable clout to help get similar legislation passed around the world?

  3. What happened to that freedom thing? by CaptCommy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While it sounds like a decent idea, I'm really all for the whole uncensored and unregulated internet. It's more interesting to me to see what people do with the total freedom granted to them. The more stuff like this that's get passed, the closer we move to real censorship. Okay, so I know I probably sound like I just put a fresh bit of tinfoil on this morning, but I really like my internet the way it is.

  4. boobies by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Fark 'boobies' tag finally gets the nationwide recognition it deserves...

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  5. uh, search? by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All you have to do is know one name, one word even, and any search anywhere will return adult material. Are they gonna put something in front of that? How about just typing in a url that goes to some detail page beyond the index page? Blocking all of that takes a trememdous amount of work... way harder than just "watch your kids" and "tell them about what's there". Any kid can go into a bookstore and see books with adult material in them, in fact you can go to any commercial big-box bookstore (barnes + noble, etc) and you'll see a slew of underage kids in the adult book area. We're just people, people!

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  6. I generally don't like Gonzales by El+Cubano · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Note: I am a conservative, but I still don't like most of what Gonzales does.

    A third new crime appears to require that commercial Web sites not post sexually explicit material on their home page if it can be seen 'absent any further actions by the viewer.

    This one actually makes sense. I have young students that occasionally search for school-related things using Google. Some of the sites that come up are questionable at best. I apprecite those webmasters that have the decency to place a warning and no explicit material on their portal page. Even better are those that make you agree to view the content and set a cookie. That way no matter what page you enter to (since Google doesn't give preference on most searches to a home page as opposed to one deep in the site), the cookie is checked and you get the "agree/disagree" page no matter what.

    However, it seems a bit unenforcable. I mean, what about websites overseas? What about websites overseas operated by American's? What about websites in the US operated by foreigners? I think that there are still too many unresolved questions about jurisdiction on the Internet. I would think that as a lawyer, Gonzales would understand that. This is something that depends on the goodwill of the webmasters, much like most other things on the 'net.

    1. Re:I generally don't like Gonzales by petecarlson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      WTF is a "home page" and who decides what page is the "home page"? Heres my 1000 pages of whatever and one page that says "click here to enter".

      If the proposed bill is anything like the description in the article, then it shows that the drafters of said bill have no fucking idea what they are doing or what the internet is but rather view a "site" as something like a teevee channel. If they actually gave a shit about the content that young children are exposed to, then they would push for a .xxx domain name. Don't want XXX? filter it out.

          "I hope that Congress will take up this legislation promptly," said Gonzales, who gave a speech about child exploitation and the Internet to the federally funded National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. The proposed law is called the Child Pornography and Obscenity Prevention Amendments of 2006.

      Guess what. We allready have laws about child exploitation and child pornography. Drop the red herring, stop the sensational bullshit, and work on the problem in a rational manner. //rant

    2. Re:I generally don't like Gonzales by giorgiofr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If he sees a sign saying "candy shop" and enters and asks for candies and they give him pr0n, I think he's got some rights to complain and leave. He said in his post that he would LIKE people to behave sensibly, not that people who trick you should be shot on sight.
      Besides... if you wanna step into the "individuals' rights" territory: how about my right to do what I want with my voice (and scream at them) or email server (and email flood them) or botnet (and DDOS them)? It's my property, you know?
      The only thing that's needed here is some sense in both the pr0n distributors and those who dislike pr0n. To the latter: you don't wanna see it, ok, but don't censor it. To the former: they don't want to see it, but you want to make it accessible, ok, but don't go scrubbing it in their face! Otherwise it will simply degenerate in yet another war, fought by means of regulations and laws and trials and public campaigns and blocking software and circumventing popups and DNS poisoning and...

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  7. Damned Feds!!! by mikelieman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Where EXACTLY in the Constitution of The United States is this authority delegated from The People or The States to The Damned Feds?

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  8. Future criminal prosecutions - the future is now by digitaldc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    During his speech, Gonzales also warned that Internet service providers must begin to retain records of their customers' activities to aid in future criminal prosecutions

    Future criminal prosecutions, whenever the government deems it necessary for those who might cause problems for them. The implication is the government does not trust its own citizenry, and must have the ability to invade their privacy at any time in order to control or silence them.

    What other ways can people be spied on by the government? Is this what we want, a paternalistic government and a paranoid society?

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  9. What about Teletubbies sex sites? by adnonsense · · Score: 4, Funny
    "A second new crime would threaten with imprisonment Web site operators who mislead visitors about sex with deceptive 'words or digital images' in their source code--for instance, a site that might pop up in searches for Barbie dolls or Teletubbies but actually features sexually explicit photographs"

    One of my sites features prominent images of "Tinky Winky getting it on with the Noo-Noo", "Tubby Custard Full Facials", "Over the Hills and Far Away, Hot Barely Legal Teletubbies Come to Play - With Each Other and Also With a Mysterious Large Cylindrical Object" etc. etc.

    I hope that will not lead to legal misunderstandings which would put me in line for a stint of federally sponsored rectal enlargement.

  10. Re:Hell's frozen over! by UnanimousCoward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is it just me going insane, or does that actually seem like reasonable legislation?

    Both.

    As parent, the thought of such a regulation gave me pause--I consider myself responsible, I want my 11-year-old to have access to the Internet, and I don't want to have to sit there with her ALL the time.

    But then, I came to my senses and thought, "it IS my responsibility to monitor her Internet access." The silver lining to such a regulation proposal is that it has made me rethink of my parental priorities...

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  11. Either way, his numbers seemed off to me by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In his press release, Mr. Gonzales brought up the statistic that "one in five children has been solicited online".

    To which my wife and I looked at each other and went "Uh - really. One in five."

    And then I started to wonder. Was this children solicited by adults? How are we defining children? Is this just a sampling of MySpace users, assuming that all solicitees are children, and all soliciters are adults? Are we including two teenagers including lovey-dovey emails to each other, or kids hanging out in Pokemon chat rooms getting hit on my a pedophile?

    I'd like to see the numbers, because I've been in lots of forums, have recieved emails from adults and teens about things I've written (like a "Xenosaga Backtracking" article), and I haven't seen a random person pop up in one of these forums "Hey, that's a nice Pikachu - now I'd like to see you naked!"

    Granted, maybe I'm naive - but I have the feeling that "one in five" is either inflated, or including things that most people would never consider solicitation (again, such as minors hitting on minors).