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Previewing Dapper And Edgy

Frank Clarkson writes to mention a ZDNet article about the upcoming release of 'Dapper Drake', Ubuntu Linux. They also give a mini-preview of Eft. From the article: "'I'm promising to impose (almost ;-) ) zero from-the-top requirements for Edgy, this release is entirely up the to development team to envision and implement,' he wrote. 'Almost everything that lands in Edgy will be driven from the development team, who get to play with whatever new technologies they fancy along the way. So that should give us a nice big bump in infrastructure and bling.'"

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  1. multiarch future? by scragz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From TFA, on possible Eft features:
    ". . .a first flirt with multiarch (multiple architecture) support for true mixed 32-bit and 64-bit computing on AMD64. . ."

    I sure hope this happens; then I can finally switch back to 64-bit mode. I know about the chroot and all that fanciness but it's too much of a hassle.

    1. Re:multiarch future? by moro_666 · · Score: 3, Insightful


      I want a desktop and games, not hours of compiling stuff, damnit :(


      so why exactly did you touch gentoo ? :p

      you need 64 bits so badly that you can't live without it ? i run my turion laptop happily in 32bit mode for now (currently with ubuntu), since the `rest` of the world hasnt really gained up on the bitcout yet.

      runnning in 64-bit mode doesn't make your machine really stellar or ultrafast, one of the biggest differences that you can make for now, is to get a 32-bit linux and get packages compiled for your machine. (gentoo 32-bit would do aswell)

      i ran some purely experimental tests here, comparing the speed of math in code compiled for i386 (ubuntu style) versus code compiled for k8 (a 'la gentoo) , now the difference in speed was enormous. if you multiply the math speed differences with the delay/lag/latency that is created while you are using the desktop interface (x-server with it's pipes and sockets, font servers, etc.), you'll get a pretty big bang.

      ps. for the furious supporters of i386 compilings, ofcourse compiling every app for k8 isn't necessary, but it's time we get some other stuff than libc to i686 at least. why use ~60-70% of the cpu power that we have ? (holding back at least 80% of users from utilizing their cpu in favour of the remaining ... just give the i386 dudes the source and let them compile it themselves and let's get done with this).

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  2. dapper and edgy by rayde · · Score: 5, Insightful

    i'm certainly looking forward to Dapper Drake in June, but I bet I'm not alone in being more excited for Edgy. I think a lot of us are looking forward to a stable implementation of XGL to "just work," because we understand this simple and unnecessary eye-candy could be just what we needed to convince some regular people to give Linux a try.

    1. Re:dapper and edgy by zaguar · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I have to disagree - XGL is not "simple and unnecessary eye-candy". There are some _very_ useful things in there. The expose clone, for one. This is a _great_ feature of of OS X, and now it is "simple and unnecessary"? And the virtual desktops being exposed to the viewer. The cube metaphor works great, exposing functionality to the users. Friends, for the first time, are grouping apps - Work on Desktop 1, Web browsing on desktop 2 etc. Transparency can help or hinder (Vista), so I'm still on the fence on this one.

      Sure, some things are just eye-candy, for example the way movies can play on the corners of the cube. But by and large, XGL is _useful_ and _not_ eyecandy.

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  3. A Great Year for the Linux Desktop by SlashdotOgre · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's great to see more distros playing around with Xgl and AIGLX; the more exposure they get, the faster they mature. I've been playing around with Xgl (Compiz) in Gentoo for the last month or so and am quite impressed. A number of features are just for show, but some are quite useful. I like the implementation of a function similar to exposé on the Mac, and true transparent windows can actually be useful. Stability wise, Xgl can definitely use some work, but overall it runs quite well (I typically use it with Gnome 2.14). I would suggest running any essential processes that need to be kept running in screen, but typically I only see crashes if I try to show off too much (eg. run multiple transparent movies on top of each other while spinning the desktop).

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  4. Comment Deja Vu by Erik+Noren · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I thought this looked familiar. A quick search reveals this EXACT same posting from a different UID on the /. article: "Dapper Drake Hits Ubuntu Servers".

    VIA C3 Bug
    (Score:2, Informative)
    by Ed Almos (584864) on Saturday November 12, @12:01PM (#14015448)

    I sure hope that they've fixed the VIA C3 bug that was present on the last distribution, 'Breezy Badger'. I tried installing it on an 800MHz C3 system and it was unstable to the point of being unusable. I can't remember the exact details, something about the C3 missing one of the Pentium instructions.
    Ed Almos


    In which case, I'd like to use the +5 response as my own:
    Re:VIA C3 Bug
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    by orkysoft (93727) on Saturday November 12, @12:03PM (#14015461)

    Sounds to me like it's VIA's C3 bug, not Ubuntu's bug. Maybe you should get a distro compiled for i586 or even i386 instead of for i686, as a workaround?


    Thanks!
  5. Can you imagine... by Inoshiro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    a world where high quality software, in a simple package with smiling people on the cover and no marketting speak, could be delivered in bulk, for free, to your home -- with both a live disc to try at no danger, and a full disc for when you want to run it.

    And this software would work well, have free online updates and upgrades, and make it so that you could even show your friends who aren't technically inclined how to use it and gain its benefits? How it enables people like me who work on software to easily contribute to improving the lives of thousands of computer users around the world?

    Yea, it's a damn shame that developers are doing marketters' jobs here. Let's all live in a world where the marketters do the developers' jobs by setting out the game-plan on features and design.

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    1. Re:Can you imagine... by porl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      of course, the thing i miss most since moving pretty much exclusively to linux is all the wonderful marketing crap telling me how wonderful the buggy software i was using was. it's a shame that with all of the linux distros i use i have to just see for myself how well it works.

    2. Re:Can you imagine... by Tim+C · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can't really see why you're missing out; all of the commercial distros have marketing departments, and the last time I installed Linux (a few months ago) the installer took great pains to tell me how wonderful it was, how much it would improve my productivity, how good the community is, etc. That's all marketing...

  6. Have you ever heard of "thank you"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Right. That's exactly what the FOSS community needs. A marketing director. Because, gee, these developer fuckwits have had decades to get their shit together, and all they can come up with is better more stable software than anything out there. But nobody cares because the names are so weird. Like, what's this "less is more" thing? I don't get it. What really matters is image. Branding. Market penetration. Shareholder value.

    Listen, johnny-come-lately, the market is already saturated with market driven drivel. Go eat it up. The world doesn't need any more of it. There's plenty already. FOSS is different, and that's a good thing. If you don't like it, go away. Believe it or not, some people really don't care about world domination, huge piles of cash, popularity contests, or cute ponies.

    I'm using Dapper Drake right now on a machine that is also running the very latest Windows, w/ .NET, monad, etc. I like the contrast. I like the competition. Pluralism is good. Monotheism is bad. Stop trying to impose a single paradigm on operating systems. If your grandma can't use linux, then either (a) do something about it, or (b) buy her a Mac. Stop whining that the largely volunteer FOSS community should start doing things your way. And then you folks have the nerve to complain that it's the developers who have big egos. Listen to yourself.

    Why don't you try saying "thank you" sometime.

    1. Re:Have you ever heard of "thank you"? by Zellis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know, I'm getting accustomed to the names myself. So the Ubuntu designers like to name their releases after animals, in keeping with their overall Earth/Humanity theme. That's not "pointlessly wacky", just unfamiliar.

      Shouldn't people be focusing on whether their software works rather than what it's called? Function over marketing-speak?

  7. Ubuntu's Stallman Hinderance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As much as I like ubuntu and can't wait until they provide
    a release with Xgl, I have to wonder just how they plan
    on doing this and still keep to Stallman's principal of
    no non-gpl software installed by default.

    How many computers will be able to run Xgl right out of the
    box without the need to manually install the nVidia or
    ATI drivers to get the necessary hardware acceleration?

  8. Re:VIA C3 Bug by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I sure hope that they've fixed the VIA C3 bug

    This is part of a standard FUD tactic you'll get with any discussion of Linux. Somebody'll always post an anecdote about an esoteric piece of hardware they're unable to get to work, normally with the one specific distro of Linux that doesn't support it. It is a deliberate tactic to make it look like Linux has poor hardware support.

    The best approach would be to let the mods do their work and it'd be -1 Troll in no time. Sadly, there are enough winshills with mod points to abuse that it'll be more likely to hit +5 Informative.

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  9. Re:Cutting by strider44 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is linux - the developers *are* the users.

  10. Geeky Name by The+Monster · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It doesn't take market research to avoid ridiculous names that even a geek would be embarrassed to say.

    Then refer to it as "Ubuntu 6.06", and skip the codename.
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