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Windows Nag Windows to Counter Piracy

Vicegrip writes "Microsoft is enhancing its Genuine Advantage program in the US, Australia, UK, Malaysia and NZ to now include persistent nag screens to remind that your version of Windows is not licensed. These nag screens will keep appearing until you license your version of Windows or, presumably, convince Microsoft they've made a mistake."

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  1. Next move... by phy_si_kal · · Score: 5, Funny

    The 8th edition : MS Windows Vista $hareware

    1. Re:Next move... by lostvyking · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Windows Vista is becoming more and more "Windows XP warmed over". It seems to be less and less about innovation and improvement...and more and more about re-selling Windows XP with stronger piracy protection. At this point, what is new about Vista that cannot already be achieved with third-party software and drivers? This all translates to Vista being written for their own benefit rather than for the benefit of the users. So far, like the new version of office coming out...I have yet to see anything that is new that will compel me to purchase it.

      Now, if they offered a scaled down version that contained only the most necessary of drivers and a simple user interface to access drives and programs (think 32-bit safe mode) that I could then build it up from there, I would jump on it in a heartbeat.

    2. Re:Next move... by tmasssey · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I feel exactly the same way about Windows XP: it's Windows 2000 warmed over. There are a couple of half-features that make it slightly better, but certainly not worth *paying* for. Most of my clients have standardized on Windows 2000 and will skip XP completely.

      Several years ago, I had hoped that Linux would be a possible upgrade path from 2000 by the time Longhorn (now Vista) gets here. But it won't be, and it looks like we'll end up paying for that upgrade, even if there *still* isn't a compelling reason to upgrade...

    3. Re:Next move... by lostvyking · · Score: 4, Informative

      What is ironic is that Win2k was actually Windows NT 5.0, and when XP came out, it was Windows NT 5.1. That was not publicized much for obvious reasons. "...and now you know".

    4. Re:Next move... by lar3ry · · Score: 4, Funny

      So, what will Vista be? NT 5.1.0.1?

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  2. obligatory by phase_9 · · Score: 5, Funny

    cracks in 3...2...

    1. Re:obligatory by richy+freeway · · Score: 5, Interesting
      It's cracked already.

      There's a LegitCheckControl.dll floating around that you dump into c:\windows\system32 whilst in safe mode, give the PC a reboot and all is well. Windowsupdate etc work fine.

      Not that I've tried it or anything... ;)

    2. Re:obligatory by Asphalt · · Score: 4, Funny
      Am I crippling Windows?

      No, it comes that way out of the box.

    3. Re:obligatory by Jarnis · · Score: 4, Informative

      They already fixed that ActiveX control disable.

      Now it tells you that "This add-on is managed by your Administrator", and the button is grayed out. I guess BillG and/or Microsoft is my 'Administrator' now, as I can't change it while being logged in as LocalAdmin.

      MS is slowly but surely pissing off the clueful audience by taking away control. Just wait for the boos with Vista when you can't install unsigned kernel drivers, plus other 'security features' that ensure you can't just crack the thing in 2 seconds by replacing a key DLL with a modified one. ... and here I thought being root/admin meant that you could modify and generally fuck up everything if you so chose. Now MS is telling you 'I'm sorry, we say you can't do that...'

    4. Re:obligatory by operagost · · Score: 4, Informative
      That's totally a misquote.

      How to uninstall Windows Genuine Advantage Notifications
      You can use Add or Remove Programs to view Windows Genuine Advantage Notifications, but you cannot use Add or Remove Programs to remove the notifications.

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    5. Re:obligatory by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can still do it (if you are admin) through gpedit.msc.

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    6. Re:obligatory by operagost · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid you can't do that ...

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    7. Re:obligatory by baadger · · Score: 4, Informative

      The IE7 installer has already been already cracked and genuine advantage bypassed when a XP build of IE7 was 'leaked'. Essentially the method was to decompress the installer with something like WinRAR, replace a dll and away you went.

    8. Re:obligatory by NullProg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry... but you are quite wrong.

      Your theory might hold some weight if there wasn't a huge market for counterfeit hardware, and other consumer goods. In such a case both the customer and the actual product maker end up losing because the customer doesn't have the product they thought they were buying and the actual producer's name gets tarnished if there are problems.


      No, your mistaken. You would be right if we were talking about Asia. But this genuine check is targeted at the US, EU, UK, and AU were it is much harder to sell conterfeit goods (Yes I know it happens, but not on a broad scale).

      This program is for the 60% of shipments White box PCs accounted for last year (See IDG/Gartner reports). Five of which I bought and installed Windows on none. See this article for more information http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/05/142521 6

      Your talking points read like a Microsoft Marketing campaign.

      Enjoy,

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  3. My Mother by cheese-cube · · Score: 5, Funny

    So can I presume that it will then start telling me to clean my room, do the dishes and take out the bins?

    1. Re:My Mother by cp.tar · · Score: 5, Funny

      *Clippy*

      It looks like you're trying to play a game!
      However, your room needs cleaning and your dishes need washing first.
      And why don't you go out and play with other kids instead of being closed in your room with nothing but a computer?
      Off you go now!

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  4. Why not? by Valdrax · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey, why not? After all, I'm sure you're like me and you've registered every bit of shareware that had nag screens, right?

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    1. Re:Why not? by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have one handy old app (which shall remain nameless) that recently informed me that I'm on day 1,200 of my 30 day trial period. It's just a battle of wills at this point.

    2. Re:Why not? by elcanon · · Score: 5, Funny

      The real headline here is that you've presumably managed to keep a Windows installation intact for 1,200 days for this to happen.

  5. Will I notice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I won't even notice that message with all the other Window's errors I get on the screen and all the reminders from every program that needs to update.

  6. Easy to circumvent... by AnonymousComrade · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Install a virtual desktop manager. Move nag screen to an unused desktop. Voila, problem gone (or at least out of sight).

    1. Re:Easy to circumvent... by Valdrax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Install a virtual desktop manager. Move nag screen to an unused desktop. Voila, problem gone (or at least out of sight).

      You, sir, are brilliant.

      Of course, that's assuming that the dialog isn't modal and that it obeys whatever scheme you're using to hide the other Windows and never deliberately pops to the front of all desktops.... But Microsoft would never break functionality to wring more revenue out of....

      Eh, never mind. Maybe not.

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  7. It should say by Stevyn · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Even though you are using an unlicensed copy, you're still helping up maintain marketshare. Thank you."

  8. Best thing ever... by rsborg · · Score: 4, Insightful
    to happen to Linux and, to a smaller degree, Mac OSX.

    And not at the expense of existing paying Windows customers.

    I don't think Microsoft is going to be convinced otherwise, and if people are pirating when they would really not use anything else, then hell, they should pay for their Windows license.

    It might move those who pirate just for fun into other OS's :-)

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  9. Or until you remove the app... by sd4l · · Score: 4, Informative

    These nag screens will keep appearing until you license your version of Windows or, presumably, convince Microsoft they've made a mistake

    Or until you remove the notifications program. From Microsoft's Genuine Advantage KB article (i.e. TFA):

    You can uninstall Windows Genuine Advantage Notifications by using Add or Remove Programs in Control Panel.

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    1. Re:Or until you remove the app... by jkonrad · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, it's:

      You can use Add or Remove Programs to view Windows Genuine Advantage Notifications, but you cannot use Add or Remove Programs to remove the notifications.

      You can temporarily disable Windows Genuine Advantage Notifications. To do this, right-click the Notifier icon in the notification area and select Change Notifications Settings. Then, follow the prompts. This will disable the Notification Prompts until a new release of the Notification Update is released.

    2. Re:Or until you remove the app... by saforrest · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can uninstall Windows Genuine Advantage Notifications by using Add or Remove Programs
      in Control Panel.


      Interesting, that's not what TFA says now. Now it says:

      You can use Add or Remove Programs to view Windows Genuine Advantage Notifications, but you cannot use Add or Remove Programs to remove the notifications.

      Perhaps it was changed since your comment was posted?

  10. Check Google tomorrow.... by Brad1138 · · Score: 5, Funny

    For the hack to fix this.

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  11. Now that's funny! by Billosaur · · Score: 4, Funny

    FTA: Microsoft says that every time a notification is displayed, the user will receive detailed information about the specific validation failure. The information includes steps that can be taken to resolve the problem.

    These don't seem to include, "try Linux instead".

    Oh to be able to hack Genuine Advantage...

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    1. Re:Now that's funny! by DrXym · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or walk into any computer store and copy down the Windows licence key helpfully stuck on the outside of any PC on display. An OEM version of XP might be required, but that's hardly an obstacle.

  12. what nags me.. by Keruo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    is the genuine check on genuine product..
    Your copy of windows is genuine and activated.. but lets check it anyway. again. again and again.
    Seesh.

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  13. Mistake? by StevenHenderson · · Score: 4, Funny
    or, presumably, convince Microsoft they've made a mistake...

    Well, the software got out the door, so aren't we a little late on this? :)

  14. More interesting: how it's described. by millia · · Score: 5, Insightful


    From my standpoint, what was more interesting was:
    a) This was a high priority item. Yes, this is as important as fixing IE flaws. Surely.
    b) How it's listed in the license agreement:
    MICROSOFT PRE-RELEASE SOFTWARE LICENSE TERMS
    MICROSOFT WINDOWS GENUINE ADVANTAGE VALIDATION TOOL

    So they're putting BETA software into high priority updates?

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  15. Planet Microsoft by Ed+Almos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I sometimes wonder what planet Microsoft are on. On todays page we have news that the Vista firewall is to be crippled and now we find that there will be nag screens.

    Do these guys WANT to drive users to open source?

    Ed Almos

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  16. Screen Shots Please ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd like one for the wallpaper on my very proper corporate desktop. Just to give the Sysadmins heart failure.

  17. Piracy is strating to end but... by jamar0303 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It used to be that in my area of Shanghai I could see people selling pirated copies of Windows everywhere (about 16 stands of CDs in a 5km radius). Now, about half of those stands have stopped selling Windows, and are now selling Linux. Coincidence, I think not- MS activation is getting so annoying that they're giving up and going to Linux.

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  18. Anagram by null+etc. · · Score: 5, Funny

    Genuine Advantage Notification = GAN = NAG spelled backwards. Coincedence?

  19. Re:What happens if you just don't install it? by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Informative

    Its simple really .. if you don't load the new "Genuine Advantage" tester, you don't get access to any software updates.

    This adds another subtle way to force you to change by keeping your computer in a vulnerable state when future exploits are plugged.

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  20. I hope not! by babbling · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I fully support Microsoft's anti-copying measures. I'd love to see them really lock up Windows updates so that only legitimate users can get access to them, or even better, I'd love to see them create a Windows and an Office that is too tough to crack.

    I don't think all of the current Windows users are willing to pay for Windows, and if they are forced into doing it, there's a good chance they'll look elsewhere. Those that do decide to pay for Windows will also eventually be tempted by any alternative that has zero cost.

    In trying to make all users pay for Windows, Microsoft would be shooting themselves in the foot, and I think they realise that they need illegitimate copying. Not too much, but not too little, either...

    1. Re:I hope not! by Kadin2048 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That would be rather amusing, actually ... create a sort of Windows Genuine Advantage "war dialer" that went through and generated random serial numbers and registered them. One by one, if you just let it go (and Microsoft didn't notice) you'd deplete the keyspace. All of a sudden, people's shiny new HP's they brought home from Best Buy would start saying that they were "counterfeit," straight out of the box. And if you did it to Vista machines, that new interface wouldn't run, along with IE and Defender.

      Man, that would be beautiful.

      I have a feeling Microsoft would catch on though, when they saw the same IP address trying to register 50 or 60 different serial numbers a second. Maybe if you used one of those spam-zombie networks though, you could do it. (Now there's some irony.)

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  21. Re:What happens if you just don't install it? by NullProg · · Score: 4, Informative

    Question: The new "Genuine Advantage" tester is an Update on Windows Update. What happens if you just don't install it?

    Nothing, for now. But it will be manditory soon.

    For the moment, users can decline to download and install the pirate alert. But that may not last long. "While the program is presently opt-in, as it expands later in the year, it may become a requirement for the AU [Automatic Updates] service," Microsoft said in a FAQ on its Web site.

    From the article here: http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jh tml?articleID=186701032

    "Microsoft is limiting IE 7 and Windows Defender updates for non-genuine users," the company said on its Web site. Windows Vista, scheduled for general release in January 2007, will have an even bigger carrot: its Aero Glass interface will run only on valid copies of the operating system.

    Enjoy,

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  22. Missing the point... by DigitlDud · · Score: 4, Informative

    The point of this program is not to nag people who knowingly pirated Windows. They're just going to uninstall/hack it or whatever. It's to notify people who DON'T know that they're using a pirated XP install. Then they know not to buy computers from "John's Shady Computer Store" in the future.

  23. It's all good. by His+name+cannot+be+s · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm a tad suprised at the negative view that the Slashdot crowd has around WGA.

    Seriously, it's nothing but good for everybody.

    1. Microsoft gets to protect the copyright on its products. Protecting copyright is good for everyone. Proprietary, GPL, Open Source, it all boils down to Intelectual Property Law, and if there were no circumvention of it, people would be forced to make more appropriate choices. You're pretty pissed when companies violate the GPL, right? You should be equally pissed when someone violates the Windows EULA. Look at it this way: for every pirated copy of Windows, there is one less Linux User. If they can't afford Windows, welcome to the Free World.

    2. If you can't run a bootleg copy of Windows, maybe you will try something else/better ... a perfectly functional WGA would be Linux's best friend. Who the heck is going to shell out $300 bux for an OS on a $300 PC? Suddenly the value proposition around Linux becomes much more appealing.

    == feh ==

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  24. Re:Why I pirate Windows. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Funny

    XP is very stable.

    I agree, the botnet running on my cousin's PC hasn't crashed in months. Go, Microsoft! :)

  25. That was easy. by drwiii · · Score: 5, Informative
    If you think Windows starts up slowly enough as it is, you can disable WGA by removing the execute bit on WgaLogon.dll. That way, winlogon can't call it as a notification package at boot, and since WgaLogon is responsible for running and maintaining WgaTray.exe, no more tray popups either.

    And since the read bit is still there, you won't trip Windows Update to force you to reinstall it; the DLL still matches with the WU catalog and all the WGA registry keys are still in place.

  26. Re:How? (was Re:That was easy.) by drwiii · · Score: 5, Informative
    If you're not familiar with how NT ACLs work, here's how you can break file permission inheritance. First of all, let's make sure Windows will let you access the ACL dialog from the GUI:

    • In explorer, go to Tools > Folder Options. Then, go to View > Advanced Settings and uncheck "Use simple file sharing". Hit OK.

    Now, let's change the permissions for WgaLogon:

    • In the Address bar, type (without quotes) "%WinDir%\system32" and hit enter.

    • Scroll down to WgaLogon.dll, right click on it, pick Properties. Go to Security.

    • Hit the Advanced button, uncheck the Inherit box at the bottom, hit the Copy button, then hit OK.

    Now we have a local copy of the ACL which we can modify.

    • Go through each listed user/group and remove the "Read & Execute" permission for that file, leaving the "Read" permission as-is.

    • Hit OK to apply the permission changes and close the file properties dialog. Restart the machine.

    You can now turn "Use simple file sharing" back on, if you want.