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Microsoft May Purchase Massive Ad Network

calzones writes to mention a Gamasutra article, which reports on a WSJ claim that Microsoft will be buying Massive, Inc. at some point in the near future. From the article: "The article indicates that Microsoft is expecting to acquire the entirety of the New York City based company, which currently employees around eighty staff. Microsoft is reported to be keen to control how adverts are placed within a game and to try new business models which could allow the ads to subsidize lower prices or particularly expensive titles, such as massively multiplayer online games. No specific mention was made of the Xbox 360, which already displays advertising-like banners on its dashboard operating system, but has not yet permitted in-game ad companies to stream advertisements into games through Xbox Live. However, it is implied that Microsoft would not be using Massive's technology purely for Windows based games."

44 comments

  1. One problem... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't we have enough spam as it is? I certainly don't need any "authorized" spam from Microsoft.

    1. Re:One problem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      That's what we call a "barrens sig".

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  2. Two points here by CogDissident · · Score: 2, Insightful
    One: Microsoft has purchased other ad companies in the past (Ad Gator, I believe) and then specifically allowed that ad program their their new ad-filtering program.

    Two: Why? Just why? Do consumers need yet another reason to not purchase crap-tacular M$ games? (with the notable exceptions of games that they bought from other companies)

    Ads in games: Bad Idea

    Ads in utility software: Despised and hated by everyone, even more so than gaming ads.

    1. Re:Two points here by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 1


      I believe you're referring to the Microsoft/Claria Tryst.

      (Related Slashdot article here.)

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    2. Re:Two points here by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Yeah, who the fsck want to have ads in their console. Retards.

  3. Irony... by Ludedude · · Score: 1

    Does anyone think it's funny that Microsoft will be buying Massive, Inc? I sense a name change in Microsoft's future.

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  4. Wait a minute. by Valdrax · · Score: 1

    Can you back that up? I've never heard of any sort of ad-filtering program from Microsoft. If MS bought ad companies or made special arrangements with them to get through their own ad-blocking software then that stinks of anti-trust violations to me.

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    1. Re:Wait a minute. by ficken · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here ya go (and yes, this is not the only site to point this out):

      http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,2180,183 6149,00.asp

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    2. Re:Wait a minute. by pete6677 · · Score: 1

      That's an easy problem to solve: use another ad blocker. When word gets out that Microsoft's program does in fact allow ads, people will stop using it. Its not like they're the only choice.

    3. Re:Wait a minute. by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      Well, it's not like Internet Explorer's the only choice and it still manages to dominate the market in spite of its lack of features and poor security. A monopoly due to customer apathy is still a monopoly, especially when we're talking about a B2B lawsuit.

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  5. did you read the _summary_? by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 1

    there's no mention of spam. it seems to be related to putting advertisements inside games, in particular the XBOX.

    1. Re:did you read the _summary_? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's not spam?! I think my game experience will take a nose dive if I see an in-game ad for Windows Vista.

    2. Re:did you read the _summary_? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sonic Adventure 2 advertised PSO and a crappy brand of grinding shoes in it and I barely even noticed.

      Except for the PSO ad, I was kind of looking out for it because PSO art tends to be attractive.

  6. Oh, they're *literally* buying "Massive" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are all slashdot stories so literal?

  7. that would be annoying by neonprimetime · · Score: 1

    so are we talking about some of the following scenarios in video games?

    - In between innings of a baseball game, I get thrown ads
    - After I pass a level in a 1st person shooter, I get thrown ads
    - When I complete a puzzle in an rpg, I get thrown ads

    1. Re:that would be annoying by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 1

      More like seeing in-game billboards with ads on them.

    2. Re:that would be annoying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      commercial breaks in madden, and those "this game brought to you by godaddy.com"

    3. Re:that would be annoying by rtb61 · · Score: 1
      I doubt that even microsoft would dare that but it certainly does explain microsoft's weakening of the default settings of their firewall, that obviously want your software to be more chatty with them, so they can more effectively monitor add effectiveness for personally targeted add campaigns.

      They seem to have failed in the "were going kill google" search engine wars, so they a trying a new direction, in the never ending, unceasingly annoying, marketing 24/7 gambit, just wait, some git will patent free pillows with built in subliminal wireless audio add streaming, perhaps that's why google wants to provide free wireless networks.

      Of course add saturation is making it easier to switch off to it all, google add words, they might be there but I just don't see or use them any more.

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  8. Correction by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 1

    Sorry...here's the related Slashdot article.

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  9. Massivesoft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No sir, I don't like it.

  10. windows vista spam... by joeldg · · Score: 1

    "Are you sure you want to click there? and while you are clicking, here is a word from our sponsor"

    like how you pay to be on the subway, pay to go to a movie etc and then get bombarded the entire time with ads and ad placements..

    everywhere ads..

    1. Re:windows vista spam... by CrazyWingman · · Score: 1

      I think you're a bit uninformed. Yes, you paid to be on the subway or in the movie theatre, but your fare did not pay for your entire experience. The reason we're shown ads in so many places is because so many of these places cost much more to operate than people are willing to pay for them. Advertisers pay to have their ads put in these places, thereby offsetting some of the cost of admission.

      Think back (or forward, knowing the typical /. crowd) to your high school yearbook. You paid $50 for it, and there were 15-20 pages of ads in the back. Here's why: your yearbook cost $200-500 to print, but no sane person would pay that much for a yearbook. So, your yearbook committee went out and sold advertising to offset the price and make it affordable for the average student.

      Maybe you'd like to request a no-advertising option, where you pay a higher price and get no ads. But, I believe you would find that the general population wouldn't be interested.

    2. Re:windows vista spam... by joeldg · · Score: 1

      well, the subway has record profits.. in NYC, several billion in surplus.

      so.. most of the ads there get defaced fast though..

      movie theatres are losing money because movies for the most part have really sucked for the last couple years..

      the *main* reason people pay for "premium" channels like HBO and Cinemax etc (thus your paying more stmt) is because they don't have to deal with ads.

      All the good stuff is on these channels now..

      Network tv is all reality shows now..

    3. Re:windows vista spam... by CrazyWingman · · Score: 1

      well, the subway has record profits.. in NYC, several billion in surplus.

      That is a sad thing. It's sad because I haven't been on a subway system in the US yet that is anywhere near an equal to those of Germany. I think if any public transit system in this country has any surplus money, they owe it to their patrons to improve their service. It's just embarassing sometimes. So, I'll give you this one.

      the *main* reason people pay for "premium" channels like HBO and Cinemax etc (thus your paying more stmt) is because they don't have to deal with ads.

      Actually, I think you're only half right here. People do pay for HBO and Cinemax to avoid ads, but not just for the sake of avoiding ads. They pay for the privelege of not having their movie experience disruputed by ads every 20 minutes. There are still ads on HBO and Cinemax, in case you didn't notice, but they're between the feature presentations, so they don't get in your way. No matter how much ads annoy you at the movie theatre, they don't actively interfere with your movie experience - they are all shown before the movie starts, and then you get the movie uninterrupted. The same goes for the subway and a yearbook - the ads do not interfere with your use of the product.

    4. Re:windows vista spam... by joeldg · · Score: 1

      well..
      if ads didn't interfere with your use of your operating system would you still want them there?

      so, you open up your vista control panel and there is a flashing ad for a singles site there.. technically that would have no impact on your use of the product?

      I suppose it is the difference with using something like gaim (linux user here) or icq in windows.. icq has a popup advertising window, and ads at the bottom and all over when you are trying to talk with people.. Sure they are not "in the way" but I would still prefer they were not there..

      Am reminded of just how old this is.. The romans even had sponsored by messages that their news dispatchers would have to say at the end of news.. "Romanna... real roman bread for real romans.."

      has always been a thing..
      but, living in a city, they have managed to plaster ads on every available space.. and smaller stores/sites go crazy with the stickers and flyers.

      In Europe, there are ads, but they are very limited, nothing like times square in NYC or Tokyo.

    5. Re:windows vista spam... by CrazyWingman · · Score: 1

      well..
      if ads didn't interfere with your use of your operating system would you still want them there?

      so, you open up your vista control panel and there is a flashing ad for a singles site there.. technically that would have no impact on your use of the product?


      Two things:

      First, it's not a matter of want. Of course, in general, I don't want to see ads, and I want them not to take up extra space on my TV, in my newspaper, etc. It is a matter of economics - in general, I would rather spend the money I do and put up with a few ads rather than have to spend much more for the same content. I have to say, if I had to pay full, non-advertising price for the content available to me today, I'd probably pay for nothing outside of a news source (and NPR, BBC or NYTimes at that).

      Second, I think you could have chosen a better example scenario. The one you gave, flashing ads on my screen, does impede the use of my computer (because it's distracting, and as my computer is mainly a business tool for me, rather than a piece of entertainment, I need to concentrate while using it), so it doesn't fit the argument. I argue that billboards in the subway do not impede your use of the subway because they are unobtrusive and easily ignored. If they were giant and flashing, such that they obscured maps and information, or caused traffic obstacles by distracting people, then they would degrade the subway experience.

      In Europe, there are ads, but they are very limited, nothing like times square in NYC or Tokyo.

      Not sure where you've been in Europe, but I can speak for Berlin and Munich, and it's nearly as bad. Posters for concerts, clubs, and movies are posted on walls, just as they are here. The walls of the subway stations are lined with billboards. There are even moving advertisements on LCDs in some of the subway cars. Previews are still shown before movies, and television still has commercials. I think you picked two outliers in Times Square and Tokyo - most other places pale in comparison to those two.

  11. /. editors need to play their positions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Massive Inc. "employees around 80 staff"? The folks at Microsoft are "reported to be keen to control" in-game ads? Massive's business model "allow(s) the ads to subsidize lower prices or particularly expensive titles"?

    Is it asking too much for you guys to clean up these entries? I'm not asking for great writing, but it would be nice if you made sure your posts make sense.

    1. Re:/. editors need to play their positions by 1024x768 · · Score: 1

      You're new around here, aren't you?

  12. the copy of Windows they are running isn't genuine by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 1

    But whilst your here, would you be interested in 300 kilograms of fish?

    No, well could I interest you in some top notch perfume, direct from the makers?

    Your wife would like it, I would be lying if I said I was making money from this.

    But wait, theres more....

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  13. Quick on the buzzer by spyrochaete · · Score: 1

    This is a very smart move by MS. They've jumped on this concept before Google could get its mitts on a similar venture. There's an entire industry to be founded on in-game advertising.

    Undoubtedly we'll be seeing ads in full priced games, but I sincerely hope MS uses this leverage to make full versions of free games (like Geometry Wars) profitable.

    1. Re:Quick on the buzzer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, you will be seeing this in full priced games. What you won't be seeing is me paying for them.

    2. Re:Quick on the buzzer by spyrochaete · · Score: 1

      Don't count on it. I think it'll be hard to find games without ads in the near future. This could be a great thing for the games industry as it will provide alternative funding to indie developers who don't want to be tied down to a repressive publisher.

  14. AnarchyOnline by StriderAccord · · Score: 1

    The free MMORPG has in game ad's... they aren't all that obtrusive, and rollercoaster tycoon 3 has billboards for excel gum, but in that game they bring you ad-revenue, so its sort of interesting.

    1. Re:AnarchyOnline by donscarletti · · Score: 1

      In RCT3 you can set the billboards to display anything you want. Thus you can get in-game revinue for looking at one's own pr0n collection, pretty nifty!

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  15. Is it true? by spun · · Score: 1

    I think it's an urban legend, but I heard that when "Microsoft" was first translated into Chinese characters, they used the characters for 'small' and 'flacid.'

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    1. Re:Is it true? by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      Well, do you have the unicode for that? :p

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  16. Again. by keyne9 · · Score: 1

    Note to Microsoft: Keep your fucking ads out of my goddamned games.

    1. Re:Again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How are they going to put ads in _your_ games? Do you mean _their_ games? You don't own games you buy any more than you own music or other software you buy; you're only purchasing a license to use it.

  17. Spyware-removal != ad-blocking by Valdrax · · Score: 1

    While the whole Claria & Microsoft deal is pretty sketchy in my book, it doesn't raise the same level of red flags as if IE had an web ad-blocker that distinguished between Microsoft partners and Microsoft rivals.

    I think you'd have a harder time winning that antitrust case than if Microsoft were doing the latter. Personally, that's an antitrust case that I don't even want to go to court on the slim possibility that it could be ruled that MS had to let all spyware through.

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  18. Bid for DoubleClick by chainy · · Score: 1

    Makes sense, a little more than a year ago, I heard from a DoubleClick employee the rumor and fear about being bought by Microsoft.

    Anyone else heard this rumor too?

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  19. bypassing the HOSTS file... by HTL2001 · · Score: 1

    Remember Microsoft Bypasses HOSTS File? Sounds like unblockable ads, at least via the hosts file.... adblock should still work fine.

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  20. Connecting the dots by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    First, the next gen of MS software will bypass the hosts-file for "certain sites". Of course to make you safe from being kept from updates by malware.

    Next, MS nags when you didn't register.

    Now they buy an adware spammer.

    Is it me or could it be that there's a connection somewhere?

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