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The FAA Saves $15 Million by Migrating to Linux

Neopallium writes "Red Hat has announced that the U.S. Department of Transportation's Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) saved the federal government more than $15 million in datacenter operating and upgrading costs by migrating to Red Hat Enterprise Linux. The FAA executed a major systems migration to Red Hat Enterprise Linux in one-third of the original scheduled time and with 30 percent more operational efficiency than the previous system."

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  1. careful of the source by yagu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Disclaimer: I love Linux (and Un*x), and I hope someday Linux (and Un*x) becomes a majority player in the computing world. But, ...

    The article paints a rosy success story, but consider the source. This is a Red Hat press release. While it all may be completely true with no misdirection, I put little stock in self-congratulation, especially after an amazing experience with a similar Microsoft claim.

    I worked for a major Telcom years ago and we merged with a smaller firm... Shortly after the merger, Microsoft put a full page ad in Time magazine describing an enourmous success story of how our new company now comprised of two previous companies combined the two companies' IT systems and integrated them seamlessly with Micosoft's then new .NET platform.

    This would have been an amazing success story except for the fact that:

    1. .NET still had not been released for general consumption
    2. noone in our IT knew of this stunning success effort
    3. our "integrated" systems weren't

    For those who doubt, I can provide the digital photograph of the ad, I was so amazed I actually took a picture of it (I will have to dig it out, but I know I have it.)

    I know many would not be surprised by a bogus claim from a Microsoft, but I don't trust that any company providing a press release to be providing real news (or trustworthy, or balanced, etc.).

    This whole "press release" presented as "news" would be more honest if they placed the disclaimer information up front. (If you don't read all the way to the VERY LAST LINE of the article, you won't know the source is Red Hat.

    1. Re:careful of the source by Luscious868 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Here, here. Can you imagine the backlash if a pro-Windows story posted here was based off of a Microsoft press release?

    2. Re:careful of the source by gdek · · Score: 5, Informative

      There's nothing disingenuous about this. We released it as a press release on our own site:

      http://www.redhat.com/about/news/prarchive/2006/fa a.html

      Everything about it shouts "press release", including the SEC warnings at the bottom and the press contact information. As is typical with press releases, it was picked up and run all over the place. That's what press releases are for. Anything that comes from Business Wire is a press release.

      If you think it's dishonestly masquerading as "real news," that's your mistake.

    3. Re:careful of the source by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's nothing disingenuous about this. We released it as a press release on our own site:

      I think the OP was not so much complaining about red hat's actions as the submitters (and by extension the editors).

      Red Hat releasing a press release = OK.

      Slashdot featuring regurgitation of said press release on its front page as 'news' = not OK.

      (At least this shows the MS / Apple Fanboys that the /. hive mind jumps just as hard on linux fluff pieces as it does on MS / Apple fluff)

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    4. Re:careful of the source by hawk · · Score: 4, Funny

      >Everything about it shouts "press release",

      Not quite. Looking carefully, I found a sentence in which the author failed to use "Red Hat Enterprise Linux." There might be a scond one, but I missed it :)

      hawk

    5. Re:careful of the source by yagu · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Everything about it shouts "press release", including the SEC warnings at the bottom and the press contact information. As is typical with press releases, it was picked up and run all over the place. That's what press releases are for. Anything that comes from Business Wire is a press release.

      Thanks for the info, I did not know everything from Business Wire was a press release. However, my first guess as to what a publication "Business Wire" would represent would be news about business, not press releases. When I think of Wall Street Journal, I think of articles about business and Wall Street.

      As for everything about it "shouting" press release, I'm only giving my opinion, and I don't think it "shouts" press release.

      I also have no problems with Red Hat or any other business issuing press releases, they SHOULD. As for whether it is something that should be on slashdot, I refer to the slogan "News that Matters". It's only my opinion, but I don't think press releases fall into that category. (I would have no problem with slashdot creating a category "press releases".)

      As in my original post, I have high hopes for Linux, I just prescribe caution to readers who don't know Business Wire is a press-release publication (I didn't). And, as in the anecdotal case I cited, sometimes the press release (or ad) is not only misleading, it is completely false. (The ad I mentioned even had testimonials from Microsoft and "our company" employees... statements and testimonials which COULDN'T have been true.)

      And, for the record, I hold Red Hat in high regard for their contributions to the Linux movement.

    6. Re:careful of the source by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Much of the "news" posted on slashdot are just reposted press releases. You just pay a wire service to run your press release and it spreads like wildfire with all the news aggregators on the net.

      It's also pretty easy to plant a few favorable articles around the place to give yourself PR. It's just marketing. I treat slashdot articles as basically like a tech news wire.. Most of them are probably planted by marketing firms (it's not like slashdot is some secret hideout, everyone knows about it,) so take it with a grain of salt.

    7. Re:careful of the source by AnalystX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm still trying to figure out how someone doesn't recognize this is a press release by Red Hat. "VERY LAST LINE" my foot! Try the very first line: "Red Hat has announced" from Slashdot and "Red Hat (NASDAQ: RHAT), the world's leading provider of open source to the enterprise, today announced" from the link. Do people not start with the very first line when reading an article?

    8. Re:careful of the source by Mistshadow2k4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Uh... that happens all the time. Remember those (many) comparison studies of Windows vs. Linux, all of them funded by Microsoft and all of them concluding that Windows was better for this-or-that reason?

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    9. Re:careful of the source by igaborf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's nothing inherently wrong with a press release. Sure, they only give one side of the story. If you want a more balanced analysis, find a publication that attempts to provide that. Slashdot is not such a publication, has never been, and has never purported to be. Slashdot is little more than a community blog (although it predates the term), with all of the one-sided postings and comments that implies.

      Slashdot doesn't practice "journalism." If you want that, look elsewhere.

      It should be pointed out, though, that the ./ item begins with "Red Hat has announced..." That makes it pretty clear what the bias of the report is going to be.

    10. Re:careful of the source by Olix · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...what FTA really said...

      F*cking the article? You have a strange fetish, my friend.

    11. Re:careful of the source by sacrilicious · · Score: 2, Insightful
      As for everything about it "shouting" press release, I'm only giving my opinion, and I don't think it "shouts" press release.

      Agreed. In fact, I've seen press releases that began with the words "for immediate release" and similar verbiage... I would say that such articles are closer to being up front about their press-release status. Whereas the only thing that might be taken to be indicative of press release status for this article (aside from the print buried at the end that you point out) is that it is so rosy; but anyone who thinks that such rosiness makes its provenance obvious is making an implicit statement that there is no such thing as purely good news, a position which is either too cynical or too foolish for me to relate to.

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    12. Re:careful of the source by Jetson · · Score: 3, Informative
      The article paints a rosy success story, but consider the source. This is a Red Hat press release.

      I don't know about the numbers (and the news story was cut off when I tried to access it), but the migration is real and the numbers don't seem unrealistic. They replaced a bunch of HP C360 machines running HP/UX with Intel-based RHEL boxes. This reduced the per-seat license costs while upgrading hardware to support more users.

      This system in question runs Volpe's Enhanced Traffic Management System (aka "flow control") and is commonly seen on news stories about ATC as it has a very public-friendly display with national/state borders and little airplane symbols. For example, all the news stories on 9/11 that showed the aircraft over the Atlantic Ocean being rerouted were filming ETMS displays.

    13. Re:careful of the source by somersault · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just a note to the others on slashdot, who I've seen do this before - it's "hear hear", as in, what you do with your ears.

      And also, when you don't care about something, you don't give a rat's ass about it, otherwise you'd care enough to go and find a rat, rip off its ass, and give it to the thing you 'dont care' about.[/end 'well known phrases' rant]

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  2. Playing Devil's Advocate by JustASlashDotGuy · · Score: 5, Funny


    "The FAA's successful and impressive migration truly exemplifies the value, performance and security
    of Red Hat Enterprise Linux,"


    All the stories talks about is how they came in under budget. Another reason for saving 15 million
    could be that someone simply budgeted too much money. Much like when your wife spends $200 on a pocket
    book that normally cost $250, and then she tells you that she saved $50!.

    D*mn women.. oh wait.. what was I talking about again?

  3. to RedHat, but what FROM? by TexasDex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What OS did they migrate from? NetWare? SCO? FreeBSD? Windows 98? TFA says nothing about their previous platform.

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    The Cheese Stands Alone.
    1. Re:to RedHat, but what FROM? by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 3, Informative
      From TFA:

      By migrating from a costly UNIX platform to Red Hat Enterprise Linux on its workstations, servers and at the hub site, the FAA was able to eliminate costs and ineffective systems, while creating a scalable architecture that met their high-demand environment today and for the future.

      So, pick one: Solaris, HPUX or AIX.

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      No folly is more costly than the folly of intolerant idealism. - Winston Churchill
    2. Re:to RedHat, but what FROM? by zenhkim · · Score: 2, Informative

      > They probably migrated from a unix.

      Correct, as TFA *does* state:

      > By migrating from a costly UNIX platform to Red Hat Enterprise Linux on its workstations, servers and at the hub site, the FAA was able to eliminate costs and ineffective systems, while creating a scalable architecture that met their high-demand environment today and for the future.

      The only question is, *which* UNIX did the FAA drop? Though I suppose it doesn't matter that much now....

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  4. Not a surprise... by tyler_larson · · Score: 3, Informative

    ..not a surprise that they'd move to Linux, given their recent bad experience with Windows.

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    "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea...."
    RFC 1925
  5. Re:Nice point for linux arguments: by FerretFrottage · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think lift has more to do with keeping planes in the sky. Otherwise the FAA coud declare gravity a terrorist "force"

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    "Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a fat white guy who is threatened by change."
  6. Re:More of these types of success stories by YU+Nicks+NE+Way · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Umm...you didn't read TFA, did you? This is a Unix->Linus transition. Microsoft wasn't involved in the case at all.

  7. Re:careful of the source - The Real Question Here by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 3, Interesting
    1. .NET still had not been released for general consumption
    2. noone in our IT knew of this stunning success effort
    3. our "integrated" systems weren't

    The real question here, at least to me: Was Microsoft ever punished by your company for running this false ad?

    Or did Microsoft pay for the privilege by giving you discounted software or something else of value. Something else, besides a nice lunch for the VP of MIS, I mean.

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    "It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
  8. Migrating from ... by rtaylor · · Score: 2, Informative

    By migrating from a costly UNIX platform to Red Hat Enterprise Linux on its workstations, servers and at the hub site, the FAA was able to eliminate costs and ineffective systems, while creating a scalable architecture that met their high-demand environment today and for the future.

    Quite possibly this is from IBM (Aix) to IBM (Redhat). More likely is that it is another kick in the crotch for Sun.

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    Rod Taylor
  9. Not a big victory by MikeRT · · Score: 2, Insightful

    By migrating from a costly UNIX platform to Red Hat Enterprise Linux on its workstations, servers and at the hub site, the FAA was able to eliminate costs and ineffective systems, while creating a scalable architecture that met their high-demand environment today and for the future.

    I think that puts it into perspective quite clearly. This was just a conversion from say... Solaris over to Linux. It's not an agency convinced that Linux was better than Windows and then converted over to Linux. Making a really big deal out of this is like saying that it's bold step for environmentalism to replace a hybrid civic with a Prius instead of a 250mi/gal future version of the smartcar.

  10. new Linux ad campaign by syrinx · · Score: 4, Funny

    "So, airlines are going bankrupt all over the place, ticket sales are down, and we're still in no position to catch terrorists."

    "That sounds bad."

    "But there is good news."

    "What's that?"

    "I just saved a bunch of money on datacenter operating and upgrading costs by switching to Linux."

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    Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
  11. Re:More of these types of success stories by Bohiti · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Poor Linus, he must be working his fingers to the bone providing all the services that Unix computers were providing beforehand!

    I hope Linus isn't free-as-in-beer.

  12. AIX is my guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    So, pick one: Solaris, HPUX or AIX.

    It's pretty well known amongst the compugeek-pilot community that the FAA had a boatload of stuff running on some pretty old RS6000 iron, with quite a bit of it still running on AIX 3.2.5 which was end-of-lifed by IBM like sometime last century.

    So, from your three guesses... I'd have to say that the first two don't count ;-)

    This is mostly for their "business" systems, not the national airspace operations (the flightplan and radar systems) which are being migrated to a Linux-compatible realtime operating system.

  13. ETMS System by apfistler · · Score: 5, Informative

    For all of those who are curious as to what was there before. I worked on this project and was incharge of automating the installation process on the integration side and was part of the integration team for this project. The old system were old HP C360's running HPUX 10.20. The whole TFMI system has been ported and updated since the early 90's. Before they were running on the 360s the system was running on Apollo's before. Of course this refresh was way cheaper in '05 than the earlier refresh because in the '98 refresh they had to swap out thinnet for CAT 5. And if you ever seen some of the cable trays at some of these TRACONS on Towers.... some aren't pretty, espically at BWI. Since the CAT 5 was in place it was as simple as swapping out the machines and putting in the new routers when we got on site. And yes for a govement project this went realitivly smoothly. Once I set up the kickstart server and scripted the install for the ETMS software, intergrating the HP XW8000 workstations was as easy as just hitting F12, so even our warehouse logistic's person could integrate the machines.

  14. Re:careful of the source - The Real Question Here by iotashan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's say you're this telco giant. Microsoft releases the ad (with approval from the telco's PR people, of course). Now, are you going to admit to your shareholders that the ad was, in fact, not true at all? No.

    Microsoft was never punished because the telco couldn't admit that it wasn't true.

  15. FAA Windows Machine "Nearly Perfect" by NXIL · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Did the air traffic control center really have a "Microsoft server crash"?
    Submitted by doc on Wed, 09/22/2004 - 19:02.

    On Tuesday, September 14, something went wrong at the FAA's regional center that controls high altitude air traffic over Southern California and much of the southwest U.S. Two days later, this Associated Press story (carried here on MSNBC) summarized the problem in its opening sentence: "Failure to perform a routine maintenance check caused the shutdown of an air traffic communications system serving a large swath of the West, resulting in several close calls in the skies, the FAA and a union official said Wednesday." That same day, the Los Angeles Times ran a story titled "Human Factors Silenced Airports". Then, on September 21, TechWorld ran a story titled "Microsoft server crash nearly causes 800-plane pile-up: Failure to restart system caused data overload". It begins, "A major breakdown in Southern California's air traffic control system last week was partly due to a 'design anomaly' in the way Microsoft Windows servers were integrated into the system, according to a report in the Los Angeles Times. Here's what the Times story said....

    Officials from Professional Airways Systems Specialists, the union that represents FAA technicians, acknowledged Wednesday that an improperly trained employee failed to reset the Palmdale radio system.

    But they said the quirk in the system, known as Voice Switching and Control System, is a "design anomaly" that should have been corrected after it was discovered last year in Atlanta.

    As originally designed, the VSCS system used computers that ran on an operating system known as Unix, said Ray Baggett, vice president for the union's western region.

    The VSCS system was built for the FAA by Harris Corp. of Melbourne, Fla., at a cost of more than $1.5 billion.

    When the system was upgraded about a year ago, the original computers were replaced by Dell computers using Microsoft software. Baggett said the Microsoft software contained an internal clock designed to shut the system down after 49.7 days to prevent it from becoming overloaded with data.

    Software analysts say a shutdown mechanism is preferable to allowing an overloaded system to keep running and potentially give controllers wrong information about flights.

    Richard Riggs, an advisor to the technicians union, said the FAA had been planning to fix the program for some time. "They should have done it before they fielded the system," he said.

    To prevent a reoccurrence of the problem before the software glitch is fixed, Laura Brown, an FAA spokeswoman, said the agency plans to install a system that would issue a warning well before shutdown.

    Martin, the chief FAA spokesman in Washington, said the failure was not an indication of the reliability of the radio communications system itself, which he described as "nearly perfect."

    1. Re:FAA Windows Machine "Nearly Perfect" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It makes big news that the FAA either can't write a program to save their lives or contracted out to a low/shitty bidder? 49.7, that means that they decided to rely on a simple tickcount, an unsigned 32-bit value representing the number of milliseconds passed since the system had started. On any OS (2^32)-1 milliseconds is 49.7 days.

      Windows has a lot of other timer mechanisms built into it. The performance counters in particular have a significantly higher degree of fidelity, generally in the tens of microseconds, and with a datatype large enough to track for over 50,000 years.

      This is like blaming the OS for (x/0)!=0, which is what the tards did when the USS Yorktown went kablamo.

  16. Re:Nice point for linux arguments: by C_Kode · · Score: 2, Funny

    Gravititional forces are terrifying. At this point, it's the second strongest force known to man behind p0rn. Nothing is stronger than p0rnal forces.

  17. Re:Really OOOOOLD systems by gregarican · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here is a link to a story regarding antiquated air traffic control systems. It is more than just a few years old. Eleven in fact. But nevertheless I doubt that things are much more advanced even eleven years later. Maybe the FAA in the /. story could have invested in some of the $150 Chinese peecees?

  18. They had nowhere to go but up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The FAA has a long history IT disasters, dating back to the early 1980's. Whatever happened to the Advanced Automation System,
    originally contracted to IBM and EDS in 1981 and still not deployed? Taxpayers have spent about $40 billion on that one, with still
    very little to show for it.

    A brief history of FAA competence. Not the best source, but then the government isn't good about revealing its failures.

    http://www.baselinemag.com/print_article2/0,1217,a =25163,00.asp

  19. Re:More of these types of success stories by njcoder · · Score: 2, Informative
    "vendor unspecified"

    Well that rules out a migration from Solaris since RedHat would have had no problem naming Sun as the vendor they replaced.

    HP-UX they might be a bit quiet about since their close to HP and definately if it was AIX RedHat wouldn't want to antagonize IBM.

    It looks like it was HP-UX ased on this snippet from http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:9WrQ3EspDRwJ:w ww.academy.faa.gov/ama200/S20Catalog.doc+faa+%22tr affic+flow+management+infrastructure%22+ibm&hl=en& gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

    47415 Traffic Flow Management Infrastructure (TFMI)

    S20V5 This course provides training for technicians, engineers, and FAA Technical Center personnel on ETMS Model HP-C360 equipment. The course is 20 hours self-study text with 20 hours computer-based exercises (CBE). Self-study subjects include system overview, workstation user environment, UNIX, monitor, keyboard, trackball, tape drive, troubleshooting, and fault isolation procedures. CBE subjects include login, files and directories, basic commands, HP tools, workstation/file-server basics, addresses, diagnostic commands, troubleshooting, and fault isolation.

    It always makes me laugh when people say they upgraded a system for less money and more power. Every time I upgrade my computer it's cheaper and I get a lot more power. That's just the way computers work.
  20. Linux does keep them in the sky... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    They use a little-known distro called Bernoullix.

  21. Biased article. by xmorg · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Article is biased by the use of the word "migrating". Given all of the illegal immigration news in the US, the term was used to slant the article towards Microsoft by the use of the derogatory term "migrate" in reference to Linux. But, more correct term should be "upgrading". To be fair.

  22. Does not sound like Windows by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Box cost going from from $25k to $3k does not sound like a "from Windows" migration.

    So far many/most large to-Linux migrations have been from some Unix-like or big-iron OS. Very few have been from-Microsoft.

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    1. Re:Does not sound like Windows by killjoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If linux wasn't there they would have gone to windows. People seem to miss that. The best thing linux ever did was to prevent MS from leveraging their desktop monopoly into a monopoly on servers.

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  23. Re:Nice point for linux arguments: by ptomblin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    they keep the planes from falling out of the sky

    I've flown for hours at a time without talking to the FAA, and my plane didn't fall out of the sky. The FAA doesn't keep the planes from falling out of the sky, they keep them from hitting each other, and *then* falling out of the sky. And even then they're barely up to the job.

    But this isn't that system. I'm not sure, but I think this is the system that gives airlines ground holds to keep them from spending too much time in holding patterns.

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  24. Re:Nice point for linux arguments: by The+Snowman · · Score: 2, Funny

    If you need a reminder who the FAA is: they keep the planes from falling out of the sky.

    If you've ever known or talked with an amateur pilot, you would know this is not what the FAA does. Instead, they make sure that instead of driving 4 hours along the highway, you spend 3 hours filling out paperwork and a flight plan, then 1 hour flying to get to the same destination.

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  25. Learn something new... by theJML · · Score: 2, Funny

    I didn't realize that the 2.6 kernel ran on vaccuum tubes! Suppose they just compiled it all "-O2 -march=eniac"

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  26. I emailed Caroline Kazmierski ckazmier@redhat.com by erroneus · · Score: 2, Informative

    According to her, the migration from was from Unix to Linux. The assumption (or wish?) would have been that the migration was away from Microsoft. In the absense of any such information, I asked.

    That said, it's still not a migration from Unix to Microsoft, but still...

  27. FAA should've switched to Windows by mi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yeah, I'm trolling. But admit it, when you read "migrating to Red Hat Enterprise Linux" in the summary, you too thought: "from Windows". In fact, FAA switched from the "proprietory Unix platform"...

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  28. Anecdote... by Bazman · · Score: 3, Funny

    Back in 1992 I got a tour of the Atlas Computing Centre in the UK (I was doing a particle physics course at nearby RAL). We got to touch the Cray. Ooh geek heaven. Anyway, in the foyer was part of one of their first computers, the Atlas 1. It looked like a modular synth, all cables and patch leads. The guide then told us there were only three of these left - this one here, one behind glass in the Science Museum in London, and one other... ...currently doing Air Traffic Control for Heathrow Airport. He wasn't joking.

  29. Oooh! by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 2, Funny

    Who got the facts NOW!??

    You ain't got no facts, Bill! We got the facts!