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Cell Phones Responsible For Next Internet Worm?

nitsudima writes "The mobile devices you know and love are great for productivity, but they have completely changed the vulnerability state of our networks. Norm Laudermilch tells you why you should be afraid, very afraid." From the article: "The new and largely unexplored propagation vector for malicious code distribution is mobile devices. With 802.11, Bluetooth, WiFI, WiMAX, MMS, Infrared, and cellular data capabilities on almost all new models, these devices provide a wealth of opportunity for the transmission of data. With no notion of user access levels in the compact mobile operating systems, a lack of effective authentication, and no data encryption, these environments are prime targets for the incubation of malicious code."

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  1. I want a refrigerator by yagu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No, seriously, what aren't they thinking of using cell phones for these days, except maybe making reliable, clear, and simple phone calls? Seems like the piling on of more non-cell-phone features on cell phones is not very well thought out. Couple the lack of security design in these added networking features with the possibility/probability more mobile phones are moving to embedded Windows (at least that's what I've read), potential for network compromise and disaster increases non-linearly (upward).

    What I find annoying and intrusive about this is I'm sitting here in my (our) internet universe working hard to make it reasonably sound, and these entrepreneurs trump that work with their one-off, disposable technology. So, I (we) eventually take the big hit for their irresponsibility. Sheesh, in every major park I've visited there's a requirement for pet owners to clean up after their pets, it'd be nice to see similar structure here.

    When they're designing these phones, and these networks, and what and how the phones work, does anyone in the room bring up the notion these phones first and foremost should be phones?

    In haste to be the first with the new features it seems the ramifications of what and how they add are considered little, if at all. It's money grabbing, and let the chips fall where they may, as long as the manufacturer is first and fastest with the latest new features. Sick.

    I find it ironic, paradoxical(?), one of the features so darling and network centric is text messaging. I've referenced this before the T-Mobile Sidekick got written into an episode of Gilmore Girls where Rory carried on a "conversation" with Daddy about arrangements to attend a function. I'm waiting for the next great headlines where someone discovered the newest and fastest way to communicate with one of these devices -- you can actually dial a number and talk to the other person!!!

    As for the "The mobile devices you know and love are great for productivity" statement, give me a break. Firstly I don't "love" them, and if by "great for productivity" you mean: great for interrupting the social flow of interaction; great for rude behavior; great for ignoring real world, then, okay, great! Not.

    (And, for those who feel they must beat me with their clue sticks, no thanks on advice about how to get phones that are just phones -- been there, done that... I know how to get around the system, I just don't think I should have to.)

    1. Re:I want a refrigerator by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 3, Insightful
      In defence of text messaging, in most markets/countries, it's a hell of a lot cheaper, or even free, versus the cost of making a one minute phone call, so it's a highly cost-efficient (not to mention more private) way of communicating.

      After that, it's all bloat as far as I'm concerned.

      Disclaimer: I'm still cell-phone free.

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    2. Re:I want a refrigerator by EatHam · · Score: 1

      you can actually dial a number and talk to the other person!!!

      I've spent a lot of time, money, and effort to build and acquire devices that make it so I don't have to talk to other people. Actually talking is for sales people and MBAs.

    3. Re:I want a refrigerator by Billosaur · · Score: 1

      When they're designing these phones, and these networks, and what and how the phones work, does anyone in the room bring up the notion these phones first and foremost should be phones?

      Well, they would if they weren't busy fiddling with their Blackberrys.

      In haste to be the first with the new features it seems the ramifications of what and how they add are considered little, if at all. It's money grabbing, and let the chips fall where they may, as long as the manufacturer is first and fastest with the latest new features. Sick.

      Sound like you could apply that to just about anything: cell phones, cars, computers, etc.

      I find it ironic, paradoxical(?), one of the features so darling and network centric is text messaging. I've referenced this before the T-Mobile Sidekick got written into an episode of Gilmore Girls where Rory carried on a "conversation" with Daddy about arrangements to attend a function. I'm waiting for the next great headlines where someone discovered the newest and fastest way to communicate with one of these devices -- you can actually dial a number and talk to the other person!!!

      You watch "Gilmore Girls?" Anyway... I used to be an absolutist and a bit of a neo-Luddite when it came to mobile phones and their tech. At first I never wanted to own one. Then when my wife forced^H^H^H^H^H^Hasked me to carry one, I wanted a simple one and that's what I got and loathed it when I realized no one could hear me talk on it unless I cupped my hand over the mouthpiece. Finally I got a Motorola V600 which had all the goodies and I began to miss my simple phone. The V600 was a hunk of junk which I finally lost in France. I now have a V360 and am very happy with it.

      Mind you, I could live without the camera, though it's handy when you want to take a quick picture. The games aren't really that spectacular, though I play Pinball when I'm bored on the train. The one thing I really love about my V360 is the MP3 player. Of all the things they could add to a phone, that was the accessory I wanted the most. If that was the only extra gee-gaw, I'd be very happy. Unfortunately, the tendency os to make mobile phones be the Swiss-Army knife of mobile technology.

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    4. Re:I want a refrigerator by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      No, seriously, what aren't they thinking of using cell phones for these days

      Phone calls.

      This may be because I'm from the US, and we get the crap phones here from what I hear. The UI on these things gets worse every year. I wish there were "open" phones with a free SDK so I could make the UI worthwhile. My current phone is pretty simple, so I can tolerate the numerous issues I have with it, but are these people on crack when they program these things?

      My phone is paid for by my employer and is "part of my job", I don't want or need a cell phone personally.

      The first option under menu is contacts, which has its own button already. The recent call list has dialed numbers first, then received numbers, then the one you want, missed numbers. The contact list is purely alphabetical, so I either have to bastardize someone's name that I call frequently to put it on the top of the list, or scroll down past the numbers I don't use frequently to get to the number I use frequently. Oh, but I could use the voice recognition to call right? Well, it doesn't recognize what I say. The phone does not tell me I have a voicemail or that I have missed a call unless I open it up. The two color LED would be perfect for this notification, but instead, its only used to tell me that the phone is on by obnoxiously blinking or that the phone is charging (as if my plugging it in and the screen saying "Charging" isn't good enough). Fortunately, I can turn off the blinking LED that tells me the phone is powered on. Being that I seem to go through on average one phone a year, being able to transfer the numbers would be a nice feature. There are a slew of unintuitive icons on the top of the screen, and I guess I have to look at the book to know what those mean. The settings don't have any information about what the setting is used for. For example, under System/Select System it says "Home is B" and the three options for "Selecting the system" are Home only, Automatic A, Automatic B. So WTF is "Home is B"?

      What a waste of time and resources.

    5. Re:I want a refrigerator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Marketing trumps usability.

      It doth suck.

    6. Re:I want a refrigerator by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      To make this as simple as possible: Everyone makes a cell phone.

      The goal now is to differentiate your product from the 'normal' cell phone. Hence the feature bloat.

      Would you complain that computers are no longer highly specialized code breaking machines and instead have turned into general computing devices?

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    7. Re:I want a refrigerator by corellon13 · · Score: 1

      I agree with your well thought out and valid points. However, I think that we should keep in mind the reason/necessity/market for the cell phone. Sure it's to make phone calls, but I don't think it's really that specific or simple. I think the real allure of the cell phone is the convenience and freedom. It's the ability to do more without being confined by wires and offices. Therefore, it only makes sense to add features to devices to increase individual freedom and convenience.

      Having said that, it would be nice if they could perfect each of these new features before just throwing them together (perfect meaning high quality, reliability, AND security).

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    8. Re:I want a refrigerator by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      No, seriously, what aren't they thinking of using cell phones for these days, except maybe making reliable, clear, and simple phone calls?

      This crap gets modded "interesting"? Give me a break. There are normal "call only" cell phones as the author himself realizes when he says:

      no thanks on advice about how to get phones that are just phones -- been there, done that...

      So what's your problem, dumbass? You admit that you know how to get phones that are just phones. Guess what? Some of us actually want phones that can do more. We're not making you buy them. Nor do we want you making us buy phones that are just phones. I have a Nokia with T-Mobile that is a smart phone and it is useful to me. I don't use all the features it has, but I do use many of the non-calling features. If you don't like them, don't buy them. You do have a choice. Let me lay something on you that you don't seem smart enough to understand - if the market really and truly just wanted "phones that are just phones", someone would be selling nothing but those. Although they are available, there aren't that many of them because, like or not, that's not what most people want. Here's my final bit of advice for you:
      you != most people

    9. Re:I want a refrigerator by lawpoop · · Score: 1

      "When they're designing these phones, and these networks, and what and how the phones work, does anyone in the room bring up the notion these phones first and foremost should be phones?"

      What the hell device[s] are you ranting against that are sold as cell phones and can't make calls? Every cell phone I've seen in the past year can make calls. Nobody is going to manufacture a cell phone that can't make calls.

      The reason some idiot engineer doesn't raise his hand at the meeting and say "What about making calls? What ever happened to the time when cell phones were about the calls?" Is because all cell phones make calls, and they all do it about as well as you can at this point. Could they do a better job of making calls? Sure they could. And trust me, I have no specific information, but they are working on reliability. However, for the average consumer, cell phone reliability is good enough. They don't want more reliable phones. They want text messaging and cameras. So if you want to stay in the cell phone business, you should make cell phones with features that people want.

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    10. Re:I want a refrigerator by kisrael · · Score: 2, Funny

      My current favorite cellphone gripe: eight levels of volume. For the ringer. To go from "vibrate" to "as loud as possible, w/ vibrate just in case I'm not listening" is like 9 clicks. And of course, vibrate silently plus vibrate w/ maximum ringer should use the same icon.

      DUH. DUH DUH DUH.

      I swear, cellphone UI design must be done by retards.

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    11. Re:I want a refrigerator by dnaumov · · Score: 5, Informative
      "In defence of text messaging, in most markets/countries, it's a hell of a lot cheaper, or even free, versus the cost of making a one minute phone call, so it's a highly cost-efficient (not to mention more private) way of communicating."

      Cost isn't even the issue for me, in my case 1 SMS message costs EXACTLY as much as a 1 minute phone call. It's all about the convinience. You can reply WHEN you want and you have time to think about WHAT you actually want to reply. Where I live (Finland), it's not uncommon for the youth to keep their phones on "silent mode" and communicate via SMS.
    12. Re:I want a refrigerator by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      I swear, cellphone UI design must be done by retards.

      I have a feeling its some PHB behind the issues.

      Wow, I forgot to mention that my phone does not have a ring at a moderate level AND vibrate option. Vibrate only works with no volume on the ringer or when the ringer is at full volume. Keep in mind that it took extra code to make it that way vs a simple toggle for vibrate on or off.

      I don't get it.

    13. Re:I want a refrigerator by kisrael · · Score: 1

      I know we all have our own gripes... I can kind of see the logic in "no moderate volume w/ vibrate" and not having a seperate switch. The former is 'cause they didn't think it would be used, the latter because they wanted to keep it on one physical switch continuum.

      On this phone loud isn't all that loud for the ringer, really. I'd be happier w/ just ringer on/off, *possibly* with a "settings" menu option to change the volume... I don't think people want to always be finessing the fucking volume all the time.

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    14. Re:I want a refrigerator by yagu · · Score: 1
      What the hell device[s] are you ranting against that are sold as cell phones and can't make calls? Every cell phone I've seen in the past year can make calls. Nobody is going to manufacture a cell phone that can't make calls.
      I didn't say "couldn't make calls", I added the modifiers: reliable, clear, and simple .
      • I don't find cell phones to be reliable (just completed a cross-country drive, want to guess what the percentage of calls were that were either dropped, unable to connect, or interrupted/garbled?).
      • I don't find cell phones clear. Even the very best quality audio I've experienced with cell phones is inferior to land lines (which, btw, is only conditioned to 3000Hz, an already not great audio spectrum). And, today's audio quality is worse than previous generations, e.g., the original analog cell phones. I was excited to borrow a friends digital cell phone when they first came out and was hugely disappointed to hear significant compression artifacts -- sometimes to the point of sounding robotic.
      • And, I don't find cell phones simple. Manufacturers' success in differentiation of product results in a dizzying array of cell phone UIs, none of which is that intuitive (especially with the piled on extra features), and none of which is very consistent across different models.

        I wonder how a user would feel about the differences the day they need to grab an unfamiliar cell phone to make a 911 call in a life and death situation.

      However, for the average consumer, cell phone reliability is good enough. They don't want more reliable phones. They want text messaging and cameras.

      You and I must run in different social circles. The most common complaint/comment I hear about cell phones is their reliability. The second most complaint/comment I hear is about reliability.

      And, no one I know raves about, or even uses text messaging and camera features of their cell phones... Most don't even know how to use those features.

      I've been in design meetings for cell phones, and my observation was the discussion centered around "what cool things can we make these devices do", and not around "what do the customers want".

    15. Re:I want a refrigerator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Is because all cell phones make calls, and they all do it about as well as you can at this point. Could they do a better job of making calls? Sure they could. And trust me, I have no specific information, but they are working on reliability. However, for the average consumer, cell phone reliability is good enough.


      Obviously you've never used a Cingular phone.

      They don't ring when you're getting a call and you've got maybe a 50/50 chance of being notified that you missed it. Even then, they rarely save a call to voice mail properly and, when they do, it's usually several hours if not days later. And that's on top of a pretty so-so reception and lousy UI that makes Solaris 7 look intuitive.

      If my parents weren't paying (it was originally for when I went to college...I preferred pre-paid phone cards), I wouldn't have it and it's absolutely going to lapse unless they want to continue picking up the tab.
    16. Re:I want a refrigerator by lawpoop · · Score: 1

      I have Cingular service, and I have never had the problems you've described. To be fair, your complaints about the UI are not Cingular's fault, but the manufactuers. I have a Nokia 3360, and I find the UI simple and intuitive. Your complaints about reception could also be a problem with tower coverage and again, the model of phone you are using.

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    17. Re:I want a refrigerator by lawpoop · · Score: 1

      I think you are changing your argument a bit here. You were originally railing against extra features that phones have, such as cameras and PIM features. I don't think these features really are imparing cell networks. The first thing you should realize is that PIMs and Cameras in the phone are developed by manufacturers, such as Nokia and Samsung, not Service Providers, like like Cingular and AT&T.

      So if your phone has a calendar on it, but gets lousy reception, and you're thinking that Cingular is wasting its money developing calendar apps instead of buliding its infrastructure, you're mistaken. It's Nokia, the manufacture, that made the camera, and they're not taking resources from Cingular's network development to do so.

      That's like blaming your local road-building municipal government for problems that you're having with your car. "Darn it, if only the Car People would stop wasting money putting signs on the roads and improve this gas mileage!" Sorry, they're two seperate entities.

      " When they're designing these phones, and these networks, and what and how the phones work, does anyone in the room bring up the notion these phones first and foremost should be phones? "

      First off, like I said above, it is seperate entities who are developing phones and maintaining networks. Second, They are phones, first and foremost. Every cell phone I have seen, you can just pick up, dial a number, and hear ringing.

      " It's money grabbing, and let the chips fall where they may, as long as the manufacturer is first and fastest with the latest new features. Sick."

      Again, manufacturers are not service providers.

      " I'm waiting for the next great headlines where someone discovered the newest and fastest way to communicate with one of these devices -- you can actually dial a number and talk to the other person!!! " [Emph. mine]

      This is a strawman argument -- Name one model of phone where you can't do that. All the cell phones I have seen in the past 10 years, you can just type 7 digits, hit the call button, and wait for the other party to pick up.

      If you're talking about network reliability, I can see your point, although it is muddled. You are blaming the wrong people. However, as far as network development, the solution is more towers, and that has all kinds of political ramifications.

      From a larger perspective, do you seriously think the cell phone network, with moving transmitters in contention for bandwidth with other units, could ever provide similar levels of quality with land lines, where copper wires are run from point to point? I think you are expecting too much.

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    18. Re:I want a refrigerator by PastAustin · · Score: 0
      Phone calls. This may be because I'm from the US, and we get the crap phones here from what I hear. The UI on these things gets worse every year.


      I'll agree with you there. The UI is completely terrible.

      I wish there were "open" phones with a free SDK so I could make the UI worthwhile.

      Samsung
      Motorola
      Nokia
      Simply google: <mobile company name> Mobile SDK


      My current phone is pretty simple, so I can tolerate the numerous issues I have with it, but are these people on crack when they program these things?

      Yes... They really are. It's amazing how impossible they are to navigate.


      My phone is paid for by my employer and is "part of my job", I don't want or need a cell phone personally.


      I am a mobile developer and I think that mobile phones are an excellent way for people to get things done while not being required to be tied to a specific location.


      ...The contact list is purely alphabetical, so I either have to bastardize someone's name that I call frequently to put it on the top of the list, or scroll down past the numbers I don't use frequently to get to the number I use frequently. Oh, but I could use the voice recognition to call right? ... The two color LED would be perfect for this notification, but instead, its only used to tell me that the phone is on by obnoxiously blinking or that the phone is charging


      I used to run into these issues with my Motorolas all the time. Most phones have a pretty nice one touch dial function or good contact search features.

      ... There are a slew of unintuitive icons on the top of the screen, and I guess I have to look at the book to know what those mean.

      RTFM

      The settings don't have any information about what the setting is used for. For example, under System/Select System it says "Home is B" and the three options for "Selecting the system" are Home only, Automatic A, Automatic B. So WTF is "Home is B"?


      Google is wonderful - First and third results aren't bad.


      I'll give you that cell phones are no-where near where they should be and that cell phones could really use a tune up but I think that the technology is quite amazing. People tend to forget what they have and because technology is so powerful these days some technology gets given a bad wrap. I think the many additions to phones are great and I look forward to the next evolution. I can be in my car and type in a street address and it gives me directions, driving time, and distance. In addition I can pick up my phone and call the office if I am running late and I can depend that I will have service. That is innovation and I'd rather it continue rather than be cut off.

      In response to the actual article there is always they threat of virii and the chance that poorly (or well written) code will have an exploit. It is something that will always arise. However I don't think that the exploits in the mobile realm will be that much more destructive than the ones in the computer industry and I will be happy to continue upgrading my phone and supporting new technology. It's all down to people protecting themselves and with our network I feel very safe. Having said that I do think that cell phones will soon be involved in internet worms.
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    19. Re:I want a refrigerator by milimetric · · Score: 1

      This question is the doorway to an interesting and long lasting paradigm debate. Quality or Quantity, which is better?

      In Microsoft and Apple's example, Microsoft is doing better. So Quantity wins here.
      In GM and Toyota's example, obviously Toyota is doing better. So Quality wins.

      In the case of cell phones, there isn't even a clear competitor that offers Quality over Quantity. Or is there? Look at Samsung phones. Their models just barely started getting bluetooth. And they are rudimentary, with a simple OS, and simple controls. They work very clearly and reliably. The service they use is another story. But their phones are great. After being disillusioned completely with Motorola and Nokia, I find that Samsung is often overlooked by people who complain about the same things you are complaining about.

    20. Re:I want a refrigerator by yagu · · Score: 1
      From a larger perspective, do you seriously think the cell phone network, with moving transmitters in contention for bandwidth with other units, could ever provide similar levels of quality with land lines, where copper wires are run from point to point? I think you are expecting too much.

      But, I'm the customer -- I should always be right. As I've mentioned, I've been in some of these design meetings, and I know what tradeoffs are being made to maximize profit (translation: push the compression algorithms and spectra/message slicing and splicing techniques to their painful limits... if the result is "intelligible", then it's good enough). This takes advantage of user (consumer) naivete, i.e., the customer doesn't know this technology is capable of landline quality. Heck, it's even capable of CD quality audio if that's what they wanted.

      As for "..., changing your argument a bit here. You were originally railing against extra features that phones have, such as cameras and PIM features", I respectfully disagree. I was "railing" against the industry for introducing shotgun features at the expense of perfecting any of them, especially the first and main original function: phone calls.

      And I don't really care that there's a split between phone manufacturers and network and transport providers (they actually work a lot closer together on these products than you think anyway). Again, as a consumer, I want technology that is more transparent, and reliable. And, I don't think that's asking for much. I think it's too convenient to mutually point fingers when something in the integrated final product isn't up to snuff.

      So, we're probably getting pretty buried in "offtopic" and/or "redundant" here... I'd love to continue discussion if you would (or maybe put a thread in your blog)... send me an e-mail to my obfuscated e-mail address, I'll pick up the dialog there.

      Regards, "yagu".

    21. Re:I want a refrigerator by GoldAnt · · Score: 0

      What do you think cell phones for the deaf do? Friend of mine has a phone that does only text messaging :P

    22. Re:I want a refrigerator by Da+Web+Guru · · Score: 1

      I don't find cell phones to be reliable (just completed a cross-country drive, want to guess what the percentage of calls were that were either dropped, unable to connect, or interrupted/garbled?).

      Forget about driving across country. What about standing still in the middle of a major metro area?

      The building I work in has a cell antenna on top of it (to be fair, it isn't from my provider). The building two blocks over (right outside our window) has a cell antenna on it. The building one block over and one block up (also visible from our window) has a cell antenna on it. There are probably just as many cell antennas visible from the other side(s) of our building. Why is it that my cell phone often randomly jumps from one bar to four, and usually has problems with dropouts as well as dropped calls?

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    23. Re:I want a refrigerator by jamar0303 · · Score: 1

      Seems that the Japanese people have their cellphone design down pat- a simple phone that only makes phone calls and nothing else(see here for what I mean) for those who want no-nonsense basics, phones that can switch between "simple mode" and full-function mode for people who want to use all the functions, but want a little help, and full-function phones for the total geeks (I fall into this category). On my phone I have 5 ringer levels, not counting silence, and I can select Light only (flash on my cameraphone), ringer and light, vibrate only, or ring and vibrate with any volume setting, simply because vibration is a separate setting. Never seen it done this way on a non-Japanese cell phone.

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  2. Infrared by thomble · · Score: 1

    Yeah, if I was a virus-writer, I'd definitely bank on infrared to distribute my malware. psha!

  3. Like All Other Hype... by MudButt · · Score: 4, Funny

    I remember how SARS almost killed of the human race too. And remember Y2K? I'm glad I had a bunker for that one! Oh, and West Nile! And remember how sick we all got from Mad Cow Disease? I'm just glad I have my duct tape and plastic bags.

    1. Re:Like All Other Hype... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      I remember how SARS almost killed of the human race too.

      Sorry, biology is WAY OFF TOPIC and doesn't apply here. Perhaps you'd like calling the people who DID die of SARS "just statistics".

    2. Re:Like All Other Hype... by MudButt · · Score: 1

      Sorry, biology is WAY OFF TOPIC and doesn't apply here. Perhaps you'd like calling the people who DID die of SARS "just statistics".

      Sorry, you're missing the point. I'm not saying that SARS is funny, or that the people who have died (170 in China, according to the article you reference), are just "statistics".

      I'm saying that the media's hype is inappropriate for these cases. If the media spent half as much time reporting on drunk driving cases, domestic abuse, etc., you'd think that thousands and thousands of people were dying in America every day...

      Oh wait... They are...

  4. Bollocks! by Troed · · Score: 5, Informative

    With no notion of user access levels in the compact mobile operating systems, a lack of effective authentication, and no data encryption

    Absolute bollocks. The extreme majority of cell phones are running closed operating systems, and the only exposed APIs are Java (Java ME, MIDP). They are a lot MORE secure than anything else we're currently using - even on our PCs. They contain access levels (only signed applications can access certain APIs without needing to prompt the user), and they store their data encrypted if it's on an exchangable memory card or else it's stored in the phone's own secure flash.

    The extreme _miniority_ of phones so far running less secure operating systems are rapidly shifting in the same direction - look at the latest Symbian version as an example.

    Nothing to see here - move along.

    1. Re:Bollocks! by vasqzr · · Score: 2, Informative


      Absolute bollocks. The extreme majority of cell phones are running closed operating systems, and the only exposed APIs are Java (Java ME, MIDP). They are a lot MORE secure than anything else we're currently using - even on our PCs.

      They're also not very complex, relatively speaking. A cell phone might have 150,000 lines of code as opposed to 20-50 million that Windows might have

    2. Re:Bollocks! by utlemming · · Score: 1

      That is a major problem with security -- assuming that you are secure. If and when virus/malware/spyware writers start to target the cell phone platform, then we are going to have some major problems. Just because the API's are limited and the source closed doesn't mean that some elite hacker with too much time on his hands isn't going to sit down and reverse engineer a phone. Also, what about insiders stealing the API's needed to do something bad. The main issue here is that cell phones are going beyond the simple use of making telephone calls and the technologies that they are starting to support is gaining acceptance. If people are not smart about it, you could be loading Norton on your phone just so you can make a simple phone call. That is the real issue here.

      Because a problem doesn't exist today doesn't mean that you should not mitigate against a potential problem tomorrow. And with cell phones have more and more power, memory and features, what someone can do with it increases. Frankly the Boy Scout mantra of "always be prepared" applies very well in security. By saying that the API's are not known, or all you can do is use Java is short-sighted. If I were working for a cell phone company I would take this EXTREMELY seriously and start to plan for it. All it would take is one virus to spread and take over something.

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    3. Re:Bollocks! by kid_oliva · · Score: 0

      only signed applications can access certain APIs without needing to prompt the user

      And there in lies the problem... prompting the user. Social Engineering works because people don't know what they are doing and because people are gullible. "Press ok to update your phone for roaming" or "Press ok to update firmware on your phone" along with a little note of why it is needed and end it with this is a free text and people will be pushing ok all day long.

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      I eat Karma for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. That's why I don't have any.
    4. Re:Bollocks! by jas203 · · Score: 1

      And there in lies the problem... prompting the user. Social Engineering works because people don't know what they are doing and because people are gullible. "Press ok to update your phone for roaming" or "Press ok to update firmware on your phone" along with a little note of why it is needed and end it with this is a free text and people will be pushing ok all day long.

      In Symbian OS v9 and onwards this problem is eliminated too. With the capability model, apps have to be signed to use potentially dangerous APIs.

    5. Re:Bollocks! by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      Yep. The cell phone virus meme has been going on for years now and it still hasnt happened. Vendor lock-in and lock-down goes a long way towards security it seems.

      This is like porn to people like Bruce Schenier, but in real life its alarmist crap. This is just as real as "Toothing" which got lots of press but turned out to be an urban legend fueled by the sexual fantasies of tech writers.

    6. Re:Bollocks! by throbbingbrain.com · · Score: 1
      The extreme majority of cell phones are running closed operating systems, and the only exposed APIs are Java (Java ME, MIDP). They are a lot MORE secure than anything else we're currently using - even on our PCs.
      I use Opera Mini on my Motorola v557 and EVERY time it goes to the net for a web page, I get the Java warning, "Allow network access? Yes - this time, No - this time, No - never". Not an option for a "Yes - Always".

      Apparantly it doesn't like Opera Mini's certificate.

      It would be quite difficult for a virus to work around that.

    7. Re:Bollocks! by norm911 · · Score: 1

      You completely miss the point. The cell phones you mention are almost *never* used in enterprise deployments where over-the-air sync of email, calendar, and contacts are used for corporate purposes. In those cases, the devices that are used are Treos, PocketPC devices, Mobile 5 devices, Symbian devices, and a mix of Blackberries - which are the devices and operating platforms that suffer from the most security vulnerabilities. It is these devices that are the focus of the entire article, because they now carry the same sensitive data that laptops do but with almost none of the same security functionality. The feature phones you mention are of almost no concern whatsoever.

    8. Re:Bollocks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe Symbian OS code is larger than the code for Windows 3.1

    9. Re:Bollocks! by Troed · · Score: 1

      The cell phones you mention are almost *never* used in enterprise deployments where over-the-air sync of email, calendar, and contacts are used for corporate purposes.

      Please don't mistake the sorry state of cell phone use and features in the US with the rest of the world. My closed operating system (with excellent Java support) phone has no problems whatsoever using SyncML for wireless synchronization of mail, calendar, contacts etc over GPRS, EDGE and 3G.

    10. Re:Bollocks! by norm911 · · Score: 1

      Well, you're right about one thing: the sorry state of wireless in the US. However, just because SyncML (though, out-of-date, bloated, inefficient, and not used by many sync vendors anymore) can sync PIM data to your device over-the air doesn't make it useful in the enterprise. Does your closed operating system phone have a keyboard? If not, there's just no way that enterprises are going to use them for their mobile workers. Have you tried responding to 200 e-mails a day without a keyboard? I have, and it 7777-88-222-55-7777. Enterprises have, and they think it sucks too. I've worked with hundreds of companies over the past two years on this issue and not *one* company chose the phones you mention as theit mobile PIM platforms. Please understand - I'm not arguing with you about how nice and fancy the closed OS "feature phones" are. There are some really nice phones out there. I'm simply saying that they are never used as enterprise mobile work platforms and therefore have little to do with the article. - N

    11. Re:Bollocks! by Troed · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't have posted my comment if it weren't for the fact that a lot of companies are using such phones. Contacts, calendar etc are important enough features for this to be (very) worthwhile even though you aren't using them for email.

      OTOH, I'm quite biased.

  5. Afraid by kevin_conaway · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Norm Laudermilch tells you why you should be afraid, very afraid.

    I realize the submitter was probably joking, but has anyone else noticed that the same sentiment is exactly what comprises 90% (number pulled out of thin air) of media stories these days?

    1. Re:Afraid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Online predators are stalking your kids! Learn what you need to know to keep them safe!" ... fifty minutes later ... "Talk to them!"

  6. Counter productive by Neil+Watson · · Score: 1, Insightful

    When I look at how people allow their focus to be interrupted by mobile devices I'm not so sure that they are really helping people's productivity.

    1. Re:Counter productive by Like2Byte · · Score: 1

      When I look at how people allow their focus to be interrupted by mobile devices I'm not so sure that they are really helping people's productivity.

      Yeah, I know what you mean. Some of the less intelligent peers I have at work *always* answer the phone even though we're engaged in a very productive discussion. We're making great headway into some system we're developing or reverse engineering some problem domain programming language and the phone will ring. Even though both of us are really engaged in the conversation when that bell rings Pavlov comes out of Science class and I watch the eyes glaze over as they reach for the phone. Minutes later, the conversation can continue; but, it continues at a much slower pace than before because rover just answered the phone call and the 'flow' is no longer there.

      Answering machines and Caller ID have been around for quite a while, people! Don't disrespect your profession or your peers by answering some phone call from Russell who's on your baseball team. Let them leave a message. If they're in your building and it is important enough they'll come down to your office. Most people will not interupt a company problem to talk about BS items; though, some will try. Knock there conversation off the plate before it begins in earnest.

      Anymore, when I know I'm going to engage someone who "answers the call of the bell" I'll call them over to my office and discuss items there. I've also noticed that the smarter ones are the ones who can ignore the ringing of the bell until a more appropriate time is available.

      Of course, sales-people have a special set of rules where the phone is concerned. They're the only ones I allow to get away with that behavior because the phone is their life-blood.

      IT Guys, unless you've got the duty or aren't monitoring some production facility, respect your coworkers and let the answering machine do its job. You do know how to work an answering machine, right?

  7. Great. That's just @%#$ Dandy. by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1, Funny

    So now the obnoxious windbag annoying everyone on the bus can also be transmitting virii to everyone, too! Yet another victory for the annoying.

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  8. ZOMGWTF by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The native security features of today's mobile devices are not capable of protecting against attacks like this, so it would be trivial to infect, say, an entire coffee shop full of Bluetooth phones in just a few minutes.

    Says somebody who has clearly never programmed a mobile phone.

    The vast, vast majority of consumer phones are not the so-called "smartphones" that run traditional operating systems like Symbian or Windows, they run proprietary operating systems that have no publically known names and do not export any APIs, except for J2ME or possibly BREW.

    As an aside, J2ME consumer phones are often just as "smart" as larger, more powerful phone/PDA hybrids ... my own does calendaring, web access, has an IMAP client built in, is themable, plays music and videos, and has a 500mb flash storage facility amongst other capabilities. Yet by the standard definition it is not "smart".

    Anyway, J2ME has many flaws, but security is not one of them. If somebody finds a programmatic way to compromise a J2ME phone in the next 5 years then I will be very surprised. These things have no concept of processes or users, which is great, because this sort of security confuses the crap out of pretty much anybody who isn't steeped in UNIX security lore. Instead they rely on constructing (with a bit of help) a mathematical proof that the Java programs they're running don't compromise type safety, and then either interpret them or on Jazelle-based phones run them direct on the chip. This is safe and allows for a very flexible and intuitive form of security.

    The absolute best you can do on these things is social engineering or exploiting piss-poor UI (which is what Cabir does). To claim you could "infect a cafe full of phones" is ludicrous: most people don't even have Bluetooth switched on as many phones disable it by default.

    1. Re:ZOMGWTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyway, J2ME has many flaws, but security is not one of them.

      Says somebody who has clearly never maliciously programmed a mobile phone.

      PS
      I probably own your phone. Have a nice day.

    2. Re:ZOMGWTF by AdamInParadise · · Score: 1

      Well, Surprise!

      It's already been done by at least one person. I read the paper and I see no reason to dispute his findings. Now, since the J2ME market is so fragmented, with tons of different implementations, the vulnerabilty affects only a very limited number of phones. This is not to say that other brands are not plagued with similar bugs, but they are quite hard to find.

      At the time, I submitted the story, but it was rejected. Well, now you know.

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    3. Re:ZOMGWTF by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I found that later whilst looking for "j2me vulnerability" on google :) Suffice it to say, the researcher in question had to spend 4 months reverse engineering his phones OS to make it do anything interesting ... whilst it's deeply worrying that Sun haven't published ANYTHING about this exploit and so there's no way to know if it's fixed, I don't think there's any serious danger from it right now.

    4. Re:ZOMGWTF by norm911 · · Score: 1

      You said: > The vast, vast majority of consumer phones are not the so- > called "smartphones" that run traditional operating systems like > Symbian or Windows, they run proprietary operating systems that have no > publically known names and do not export any APIs, except for J2ME or > possibly BREW. And, not surprisingly, you have missed the entire point of the article. The cell phones you mention are almost *never* used in enterprise deployments where over-the-air sync of email, calendar, and contacts are used for corporate purposes. In those cases, the devices chosen are Treos, PocketPCs, Mobile 5 devices, Symbian devices, and a mix of RIM devices. The very devices and operating platforms that suffer from the most security vulnerabilities - NOT the J2ME phones that you mention. You may love your phone and think it's the greatest thing on earth, but that doesn't change the fact that it's just not useful as a mobile work platform. It's the devices I mention above that are the focus of the article, because they carry the same sensitive data that laptops do but with almost none of the same security functionality. The feature phones you mention are of almost no concern whatsoever. The point is that we now have vulnerable devices walking around with sensitive data on them that ALSO have a direct, unfirewalled, completely unmonitored connection directly back to your enterprise Exchange server. These devices are vulnerable to all kinds of attacks, and it would be trivial for an attack to traverse back into the enterprise. Furthermore, these devices are 12 times more likely to be lost or stolen than a laptop and the data they hold is almost never properly protected. N

  9. Yes... by GillBates0 · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...if the Antivirus companies are to be believed.

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  10. More productive? by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Funny
    The mobile devices you know and love are great for productivity

    Assumption failure at line 1.

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    1. Re:More productive? by TechnoGuyRob · · Score: 1
      The mobile devices you know and love are great for productivity

      Assumption failure at line 1


      I disagree. For me, cell phones have always been useful. In fact, I think it is much easier to complete specific tasks because of the ready availability of communi--oh, hold on, I got a call coming in.
  11. Paypal/ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
  12. Thanks for reminding me by p3d0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'd better get started right away!

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  13. lack of effective authentication by digitaldc · · Score: 1

    So in the future when I dial a phone number, all of a sudden I will be sent to a phishing device asking me for my credit card and social security number?
    The future is looking up!

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  14. Oh my, what amazing FUD. by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 5, Informative

    So what if phones do more?

    One of the biggest problems in the PC world with respect to virus propagation has been the homgenous nature of desktop PCs. 90%+ of the desktops in the world (and a decent percentage of servers, especailly a very high percentage of servers in small businesses) are running one software architecture (Win32) on one hardware architecture (x86). This means that viruses don't encounter compatibility problems when trying to propagate.

    In the mobile phone market, this is not the case. There are at least three major smartphone software architectures (PocketPC/Windows Mobile, Symbian, PalmOS) each of which run on multiple hardware architectures. (PalmOS is only on ARM machines unless you count old m68k PalmOS smartphones, but I'm positive PPC/Windows Mobile supports at least 2-3 different CPU architectures and I believe Symbian does too.) Let's not forget the huge variety of "dumb" phones out there, where every manufacturer has their own custom OS and chances are that even compatibility of malware between a manufacturer's phones isn't guaranteed.

    Yes there are hardware/software abstraction layers such as J2ME and (to some degree) BREW which allow an application to run on multiple manufacturer's phones, but both have varying degrees of sandboxing for those abstracted applications, and in the case of J2ME, compatibility STILL can't be guaranteed. (Look at the sites that offer Java games for mobile phones - Many of them have a slightly different download for every phone!)

    Even if the phones didn't have ANY security features built into them at all, the heterogenous software/hardware environment that phone malware would have to live in presents large barriers to malware propagation.

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    1. Re:Oh my, what amazing FUD. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I could not have said it better myself.

      As someone who has worked in the mobile industry since the dawn of J2ME and Brew, I know that claims of a widespread virus are complete FUD.

      Anyone who has created applications for mobile devices know what a complete pain it is to port the applications (particularly ones that use advanced features like IR, Bluetooth, SMS or even create a network connection).

      The anti-virus guys like Norton and their ilk are showing up at all of the major mobile shows now claiming to be saving the industry from it's lack of awareness.

      Nothing could be further from the truth.

    2. Re:Oh my, what amazing FUD. by norm911 · · Score: 1

      Please. The only important propagation step from an enterprise standpoint is Phone --> Enterprise. No one cares about, or will even spend 3 minutes coding for, a propagation method that spans cell phone operating platforms. Who cares how hard it is - it's not the point of the article. The next Code Red or Nimda style front page news article is going to be for the guy that figures out how to write a crossover virus that spreads from a PocketPC, Mobile 5, Symbian, or Palm OS to the juicy Win32 insides of the corporate world. OH WAIT, SILLY ME, THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED. The point is that there are vulnerable mobile platforms running around these days that already have a direct, unsecured, unfirewalled, and unmonitored connection right to the enterprise Exchange server. Forget the fact that it also is CARRYING around sync'ed data with very little security functionality to protect it. That, is a serious problem.

  15. I want a refrigerator-Long distance relationships. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I've spent a lot of time, money, and effort to build and acquire devices that make it so I don't have to talk to other people. Actually talking is for sales people and MBAs."

    And IT, whose counterpart is in India.

  16. This is stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lets explore cell phones for viruses. How about we clean up the 100k viruses on windows. Sounds like someone is getting free marketing for thier new startup.

  17. OT, sorry by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1
    More people die from lightning every year than died from SARS ever.

    It's sad so many retards get all worked up over something so insignificant. 58 million people die every year. That number will only go up unless we're dying as a species. When a disease or natural disaster or attack approaches 1/100th of this is the time to freak out. Not at 1/1,000,000.

    Appeals to emotion never enhance the issue, by the way.

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  18. You mean, by everphilski · · Score: 1

    So, I (we)

    you mean, Wii?

  19. Responsible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Call me a stickler for semantics, but is it right to suggest cellphones could be "responsible" for the worms? Isn't that a bit like saying cars are responsible for car wrecks? I thought the writers of the worms were the ones responsible for the worms.

    1. Re:Responsible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a stickler for semantics.

    2. Re:Responsible? by norm911 · · Score: 1

      Ha haha, great point. You are not a stickler for semantics - you're right. I'll keep that in mind next time I write a title :) Thanks for the input, Norm

  20. OT, sorry-Insignificent deaths. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It's sad so many retards get all worked up over something so insignificant. 58 million people die every year. "

    Only humanity would see 58 million deaths as "insignificent". No wonder genocide comes so easily to us.

    "Appeals to emotion never enhance the issue, by the way."

    Appeals to apathy don't work either.

    1. Re:OT, sorry-Insignificent deaths. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People die. It's part of life. Get over it.
      I'm not saying its not bad when they do - but it would be worse if they didn't.

  21. PC LOAD LETTER!?! by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1
    Good rant. I'm never getting a phone until they improve the UI to "PC LOAD LETTER" quality or above.

    It's really sad how many phones get landfilled, most of them still work fine, even have a good battery. I'd be more likely to consider a phone that was built to last, focused on simple things like being pleasant to use and high voice quality. Oh well, if I won't buy a new phone every few months I'm not who they're designing these things for. Works for me!

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  22. Security through Obscurity by trongey · · Score: 1, Funny

    So as I scan the responses here the overwhelming message is that cell phones are secure because they are closed-source and their code isn't published anywhere.

    That's a new sentiment to hear on /.

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    1. Re:Security through Obscurity by rts008 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I also wondered about this. Bash M$ for the same thing, but don't mess with my "pain in everyone else's ass" cell phone! Heh, seems like we never learn.
      I for one can't wait for the feces to hit the fan, and will LOL at all of them when it happens.
      As it is now, in my home the standing rule is: turn of your cell phone upon entering- if it rings and disturbs me, I reserve the right to tie the offender's scrotum behind their ears. ;)

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    2. Re:Security through Obscurity by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Insightful
      So as I scan the responses here the overwhelming message is that cell phones are secure because they are closed-source and their code isn't published anywhere.

      The gist I got was that they were secure because they are secure because they don't allow random software to run and don't expose any but secure APIs (requiring code-signing, etc.) to any software that does run, not that they were secure because their code was unpublished and not open-source.

      One of us isn't reading the responses right.

    3. Re:Security through Obscurity by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 1
      You're reading the responses correctly. Except actually code signing is hardly important, phones are secure even with unsigned apps that anybody can write and distribute. I wrote an article on j2me security for those who want to learn more. Not all phones use it of course, for instance, you can write programs that can do pretty much anything AFAIK for older Symbians (which were modelled internally sort of like DOS/Win9x security-wise).

      Now it turns out I was wrong, there HAS been a problem with J2ME in the past, there was a bug in the bytecode verifier (written in C/C++ ....) which allowed a malicious Java program to take control of the phone. But the issue for the attacker is, once you are running on the chip - now what? The guy who found this vulnerability (which I would hope is fixed in new phones!!) said it took him 4 months to reverse engineer the OS on his Nokia phone. And that's just for one model of one phone. Good luck making that sort of hack spread quickly.

      The basic point is that Java itself (which is all most phones allow) is safe. The parts of a phone that aren't safe are the parts written in C or C++ or assembly: for instance, BlueTooth stacks, the JVM itself, maybe parts of the OS can be attacked by creating gui elements with really long names or something. But the basic scheme is secure (unlike on desktop machines), and the attack surface is much smaller than full computers. And even if you do somehow manage to hack a phone via its unsafe parts, the diversity in the market acts as a protection against epidemics.

    4. Re:Security through Obscurity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, yes. Java runs in a sandpit.
      If there's a hole in the defined sandpit, then there's a problem. The defect mentioned was actually in some assembler in the vm, and not in the C++.

      This is the same as any security model; you define what something can and can't do, and hope you're right when someone gives it a try.

    5. Re:Security through Obscurity by norm911 · · Score: 1

      ...which is not only wrong, but concerning as well. The cell phones that they are talking about as "closed systems" are almost *never* used in enterprise deployments where over-the-air sync of email, calendar, and contacts are used for corporate purposes. In those cases, the devices that are used are Treos, PocketPC devices, Mobile 5 devices, Symbian devices, and a mix of Blackberries - which are the devices and operating platforms that suffer from the most security vulnerabilities. It is these devices that are the focus of the entire article, because they now carry the same sensitive data that laptops do but with almost none of the same security functionality. The feature phones that are the focus of so many of the postings here are of almost no concern whatsoever. If you're like me, you've been reading these responses and thinking to yourself, "Whoa, there's another guy that needs a security awareness lesson." -N

  23. just like the Avian Flu pandemic? by AltGrendel · · Score: 1

    Really. This article is just media over-hype. Sould be be afraid? Not really, just concerned. But I don't think anyone should get at all upset about this.

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  24. Back to the late 80s/early 90s by daybot · · Score: 1
    Hmm...

    The quick time to market model necessary to compete in the fast-paced world of mobile phones and the lucrative potential of exploits that call/text premium rate numbers means we're gonna get insecure firmware with plenty of black hat wannabes trying to create exploits.

    Before we had internet access universally and virus protection, protecting against floppy disk based viruses was a real issue on vulnerable OSes; you could have an antivirus program but you didn't get the definitions updates or OS/software patches. I suggest that we're at the most vulnerable stage now - we have local technologies like Bluetooth and IrDA in our phones for quick transfer of exploit code and we've got big, complex firmware, without the universal availability of a fast method for delivering firmware updates or other protections such as 3G.

  25. This is funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since I was on an e-mail thread today at work about McAfee antivirus being available for some of the mobile platforms my company provides.

  26. I don't have to worry by jledgerwood · · Score: 1

    My phone rarely works anyway and if my experience is an indication, any malware that gets through will have to deal static and dropped connections every 20 feet. Nothing to worry about here. Thanks Verizon!

  27. 802.11 is the only real threat by randomErr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    802.11 is the only real threat for now. 802.11 is the only widely adapoted standard. Everything else is niche market or platform specific.

    With 802.11 I can take a Nintendo DS with Linux and go to McDonalds, Starbucks, most local libraries and TV stations, and dozens of bussiness and port scan and/or brute force the hell out of the place.

    If I find an open platform (it could even be the router) I then have the DS pull every bit of info out of it I can automatically. Then go home and look at my booty, like unencrypted passwords, stored in my handheld. Alterntively, I can inject tojans into the system that I scanning without anyone suspecting.

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  28. Re:Security through Obscurity and Incompatibility by erbmjw · · Score: 1

    And because of the incompatibility between various phone operating systems, many of these hypothetical phones in cafe will not run identical applications .... or in this case identical viruses and malware.

  29. They won't get me! by MrNougat · · Score: 1

    Because I use cans and a string to talk to people across long distances, and I use pen and paper or playing cards to play games. For music, I sing, and for moving pictures I draw flipbooks!

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    1. Re:They won't get me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My guess is that you're far better adjusted than the rest of us.

    2. Re:They won't get me! by Captain+DaFt · · Score: 1

      But, isn't using that abacus to post on Slashdot a PITA?

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    3. Re:They won't get me! by MrNougat · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and then I have to yell "ZERO! ZERO! ONE! ZERO! ..." into one of the cans-on-a-string. I think it's like 5/8 baud.

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  30. Anti-hobbyist? by tepples · · Score: 1

    With the capability model, apps have to be signed to use potentially dangerous APIs.

    What is the process for a legitimate hobbyist developer to get his or her application signed?

  31. Ha by Zebra_X · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Can you still talk about your perimeter security with a straight face? If you have even one employee with a mobile device connecting to your network, chances are you answered "No" to that last question? The mobile devices you know and love are great for productivity, but they have completely changed the vulnerability state of our networks. Norm Laudermilch tells you why you should be afraid, very afraid?

    Can i even say the words "perimeter security" with a straight face. Ha, no. This is a bunch FUD created by people (or one in particular) who doesn't have enough work to do over the course of a day.

    Sure, mobile devices have a number of transmission channels. It makes them useful. The reason why they are not a real tangible risk is that they are incredibly difficult to configure and operate in a networked mode. Getting a windows mobile phone to connect to a network and do something useful takes about three minutes by hand. Not to mention that their programming API's usually contain a much smaller subset of functions than that of a full blown pc.

    Reading through the article there are more outlandish claims such as "The native security features of today's mobile devices are not capable of protecting against attacks like [mobile to mobile propagation], so it would be trivial to infect, say, an entire coffee shop full of Bluetooth phones in just a few minutes."

    Right, and monkeys might fly out of my butt. The mobile device market is incredibly diversified. There are so many phones and capabilities that the notion of One Worm to rule them all is preposterous. This also assumes that everyone in the coffee shop has their phone in whore mode, accepting connections from any shiny device that walks by.

    He goes on to suggest that "The mobile devices then walk out of the coffee shop and in the front door of corporate offices all over the world, past the perimeter security devices and all other network security protections, cradle to the desktop, and infect organizations in the worst possible spot: at the heart of the network, where security controls are the thinnest."

    How? Almost every desktop PC in a corporate network has AV software on it. Any malicious code coming from the handheld would be detected by the AV software. Not to mention that the desktop sync software would ALSO need to be vulnerable.

    Lets also examine the likelihood of this occurring: It would require the following scenario: the handheld device has a flaw that allows the transfer and execution of malicious code, the infector and the infected must be of the same type, they would also both need to have BT or Wi-Fi enabled, though I suspect that BT is much more a risk than wi-fi (most mobile devices don't provide services via wi-fi, but they do via BT). The virus would also need to behave itself such that the OS won't crash. Usually upon infection there are obvious signs of corruption. Slow downs, crashes, restarts. Then corporate man/woman would need to plug his/her device into his PC. From here the handheld may, or may not have a bridged connection directly to the network. Alternatively the handheld might be able to exploit a hole in the sync software such that it can remotely execute code on the host desktop. Finally, the handheld would execute a PC based worm that would not be in an up to date virus def. file.

    Is it just me or does it seem like the planets need to align nicely for this work?

    1. Re:Ha by AfricanImpi · · Score: 1

      Ah jeez, the ignorance displaced by TFA is just mindblowing. Only somebody with little knowledge of Bluetooth and how it works will believe that it's possible to infect the entire store with a virus or worm.

      Not only are mobile phones incredibly diverse in terms of operating systems and architectures, and most will not have Bluetooth on by default anyway, but Bluetooth is a very secure transmission protocol. People have been trying to hack it ever since it emerged as a standard, and I've yet to see any real example of success. Indeed, the only "Bluetooth" viruses are social engineering viruses that rely on the victim actively accepting a sent file (not too bright, that), and even then work only on one OS.

      While it's worth being concerned about network security with smartphones (just as we're concerned with all network security), TFA is just a mindless piece of crap spreading unnecessary F.U.D. in a hyperbolic manner.

    2. Re:Ha by fatduck · · Score: 1

      Abandon All Hope, All Ye Who Text Here

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  32. Text messaging is free money... by rmdyer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I find it ironic, paradoxical(?), one of the features so darling and network centric is text messaging.

    Text messaging is the equivalent of someone coming to you and telling you to give them money for something you've already paid for. What people don't understand about this technology is that they are getting nothing for something. In the time it takes for you to utter "Hello World!" with your voice, you could send hundreds of text messages in the same data stream. So text messages are essentially "free" from the cell providers point of view, yet they are charging us extra for it.

    It seems these days that people understand less and less about how technology works and companies are able to take advantage of that fact. In fact there is a fair amount of downright "confusion marketing" going on so that the consumer can never be knowledgeable about what they are actually getting for their money. If I can charge you $40 for the basic service and $10 more for an added service that doesn't require any more technology than the basic service (or less in the case of text messaging), then consumers are getting ripped off.

    I'm actually dumbfounded as to why no one seems to care about things that are going on in the world these days. Oh sure, gas is above $3.00 a gallon, but that is a highly visible and tangible substance. What about the price of bottled water, or sugar water for that matter? No one seems to care. In fact, the business of selling so called "energy drinks" is escalating out of control.

    If you actually care about the price of gas, then you should be downright "ticked off" that you are being charged extra for text messaging.

    In fact, why in the world don't prices drop further for established services? Why do all your typical monthly bills seem to bottom out at around $20 to $30 (a single person, living alone). Why are they all about the same, even for completely differing services. Ever notice that you will never get an electric bill for less than $30 dollars? Why doesn't a land line phone only cost $5.00 a month in 2006? If I get a bill for $30 dollars a month, and so do 100 million other people, then that's 3 billion dollars a month going somewhere? So where?

    Over the past 20 years we've seen technology prices tumble. A PC that once cost $5000 now costs $400, and it can process 10,000 times more information. Fiber can now support millions of connections at data rates hundreds of times greater than 20 years ago. Yet, our bills seem to keep going up. Why?

    Why don't MMORPGs cost only $1.00 a month? Why do most subscriptions to almost any service all range from $10 to $40? Why do we pay around $1.00 for 3 Meg of compressed audio file (just bits) when we don't get anything at all material?

    Companies are making more these days, and squeezing more out of consumers than ever before and few seem to care. So in this respect I'm quite happy to see the price of gas rise. Serves us right.

    Just my 2 cents.

    1. Re:Text messaging is free money... by tacokill · · Score: 1

      First, let me say that I agree with your post. But I do have to respond to something that jumped out at me.

      You asked, "In fact, why in the world don't prices drop further for established services? Why do all your typical monthly bills seem to bottom out at around $20 to $30 (a single person, living alone). Why are they all about the same, even for completely differing services. Ever notice that you will never get an electric bill for less than $30 dollars? Why doesn't a land line phone only cost $5.00 a month in 2006? If I get a bill for $30 dollars a month, and so do 100 million other people, then that's 3 billion dollars a month going somewhere? So where?"

      And I would like to provide a (short) list of where that money is going. It's not that the companies are just printing money, rather, the COSTS just to be in business are much higher than they used to be. I am not going to get into the cultural/economic/societal reasons for that but I will only say that they are very real costs. And those costs get passed DIRECTLY to customers. Here is a start of where the money is going: (in no particular order and with no comment on whether the costs are justified or not. They are what they are.)
      - benefits
      - sexual harassment suits
      - workman's comp suits
      - disability insurance
      - class action suits
      - licensing of IP
      - salaries
      - plants, property, and equipment
      - insurance (liability, medical for employees, etc)
      - regulatory requirements (there are a TON of these)


      All of those - and more - before you make a single widget!

      It's a fact that it's expensive just to stay in business. The old days of starting a company on a shoestring and actually "making it" are pretty much over. You have to be able to defend your business because there are a LOT of systematic costs that you have to pay just to be in the game. And that, my friend, is a very simplified version of WHY your bill is $30/mo minimum every single month.

    2. Re:Text messaging is free money... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1
      It seems these days that people understand less and less about how technology works

      That's an ironic claim, from someone who had just written:

      In the time it takes for you to utter "Hello World!" with your voice, you could send hundreds of text messages in the same data stream. So text messages are essentially "free" from the cell providers point of view,

      Firstly, mobile communications tend to use multiple channels for different purposes. It's not very likely that your text messages are in the same data stream as someone else's voice call.

      Secondly, you're ignoring overheads. Getting the software in place throughout a network's infrastructure to support text messaging is not cheap. Testing it is certainly not cheap, and is an ongoing expense: when I worked for a mobile radio company a few years ago, it was standard policy to check all new radios sent for approval for use on the network exhaustively, by quite literally making every possible type of call to every type of approved radio and checking that it worked. That's a very time-consuming process - several man-weeks - just to check a single radio. Now we have so many new kinds of data flying around, that's one more variable for the operating companies to worry about, and one more thing to fix when someone making a new phone screws up their software (or gets a worm, or whatever).

      In other words, you're way off base with your claim about text messaging effectively being free to the operators.

      If I can charge you $40 for the basic service and $10 more for an added service that doesn't require any more technology than the basic service (or less in the case of text messaging), then consumers are getting ripped off.

      Only if the original $40 represented the true cost of the service. It's not uncommon for businesses in any industry to run a basic service at a slight loss to minimise the big number on the advert, and then make their money on the optional extras.

      In fact, why in the world don't prices drop further for established services? Why do all your typical monthly bills seem to bottom out at around $20 to $30 (a single person, living alone). Why are they all about the same, even for completely differing services.

      Probably because there are basic costs that the suppliers have to meet, which limit their pricing if they are not to make a loss, and because the suppliers of different services are effectively in competition: you can have a gas cooker or an electric cooker, but you're still cooking the same number of dinners on it, and if one service becomes much cheaper, customers are likely to switch to that alternative.

      Yet, our bills seem to keep going up. Why?

      For a start, because customers are prepared to pay for it, and the businesses are in business to make a profit.

      For seconds, because every one of those wonderful initiatives that governments come up with to "protect the public" or whatever usually winds up costing the affected businesses a significant amount of money. Did you expect them to absorb the entire cost of all that regulation, insurance, etc?

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  33. Re:"I just want to make a phone call" by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1
    Judging from my observations, Americans want to download the most irritating $3.99 ringtone they can find. They change them constantly. Tiny phones are hot. Oh, and they make really horrible noises when you just open them up or push a button. Super bright color screens. Has to take pictures, preferably with a flash.

    I think it's completely retarded. But I'm in a tiny minority in the US.

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  34. the phone co. should hire them by llZENll · · Score: 1

    that is funny because paid engineers have enough trouble getting all of these protocols and devices working, what makes you think a phisher/hacker has a chance of getting something working on all of these protocols and the 1000's of phone models out there?

  35. Funny, I saw it as sarcastic by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1
    The mobile devices you know and love are great for productivity

    When I read this phrase, it was pure sarcasm. Maybe my attitude colored my interpretation, but I was sure of its humor.

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  36. Cell phone virii do not bother me one bit.. by Khyber · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not even worried about cell phones transmitting virii - I'm far more concerned with how slow current cell phones are. My *OLD* Nokia phone from six years ago dialed numbers far faster, responded the very moment I pressed a button on the phone, and there was no perceptible lag at all. Change providers, "upgrade" to a Kyocera Phantom, it takes at least four seconds after hitting the call button to actually see the screen shift, THEN see it try to connect, generally making the attempt to dial out take upwards of half a minute. Very disappointing. Older cell phones were faster, far more secure (namely because of the lack of "features") and were far less of a hassle. I want to see a cell phone company that does nothing but cell phones, for nothing but calling. No camera, no MP3 player, no stupid annoying bleep-bleep walkie-talkie (Real people get a GMRS License for that,) and by far no loud annoying polyphonic ringtones. Plain, simple, easy, fast SERVICE.

    Sadly the norm for most companies these days is to whore themselves out to the "must have it" minded people.

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  37. Glad to see a fellow luddite ;) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is, you would have had a lot of trouble typing that message if computers didn't have keyboards added to them (instead of just punched tape), or VDUs instead of just a printer... I imagine that there were people in IBM who'd just thought 'Christ, we've shipped 12 of these buggers, that's twice as many as we thought we would', and never thought we'd ever get rid of tables and slide-rules. Some pieces of technology gets used in different ways as new uses are found, until the barely resemble their ancestors.

    So, exactly how much code-breaking is your computer doing at the moment? ;)

    You should see them as a personal communication device, and stop thinking of them as a phone in your house with a very long cord. A landline is a communication device that is limited to a single location, and so has very different requirements and usage to a mobile.

    On your point about text messaging, you're missing one of the key problems of mobile communications, namely that speech isn't always the best method of communication.
    A simple example of voice being inferior is in a loud environment, such as a bar, club, etc.
    Sometimes it's also easier to type than to talk. Giving a phone number over the phone is a good example of this problem.
    Sometimes it's more socially acceptable to send a note than to grab someone's attention. Phone calls interrupt, but messaging doesn't.

    People are generally more reactive, but not anymore effective. Things are generally more ad-hoc with far less forethought and planning. Is anyone skilled in the art of writing a letter anymore? Nope, we're the cut'n'paste generation ;)

    Anyway, I ramble. Back to the point.
    Security is a concern, although it's one that's rapidily being addressed by the networks and manufacturers. There's one take on the problem here

    So, while it does need to be addressed, the industry has no desire to have the problems of the PC market, and are working hard to avoid such problems.

    Well, that's my tu'pence

  38. signed applications by edxwelch · · Score: 1

    Actually, signed apps can't access restriced APIs either without users permission. The difference is that the user can choose "don't ask this question again" if the app is signed.
    You are stop on about the story being bollocks though.

  39. Celly: A tale of cellphones in the Philippines by daviddennis · · Score: 1

    In the Philippines, cellphones are God. During my three week trip, I became close to a couple of women, and they both had their Cellphones, and treated them like family members.

    People in the upper middle class in the Philippines - that means they earn about 50,000 pesos a month, or $1,000 - thought of their phones as status symbols. They would happily show them off to me, and I was suitably impressed. The technology was much, much nicer than what I saw routinely in the US. Everyone had nice cameras, big color screens and Internet browsing.

    One of my favorite people, a banker, had one of these fancy cellphones. It cost her 13,000 pesos (about $260, a fortune in a place where the average income is 200 pesos a month [$4]). She used it to send animated GIF jokes using the multimedia messaging system built into the phone.

    Personally, I can't say I like cellphones. They are sometimes useful to have but for the most part they mean annoying interruptions. So the fact that even women who were close to me were tapping away on their phones annoyed me at first. But then I gradually started to see it as part of the culture, and became relaxed about it. I gave the cellphone a name: Celly. I would take pictures of my friends with Celly, and I would ask how Celly was and inquire about her health.

    One day my banker friend mentioned that Cellly was not feeling well. Apparently it was sending multimedia messages to everyone in her address book. That wasn't the problem; the phone bill for sending those messages was the problem. She asked me what to do, thinking that she would have to take Celly (a Nokia 6630) back to the store.

    I told her I might be able to cure Celly for her. We went to the Internet cafe and I did web searches and in time was able to locate f-secure mobile's tool to eradicate the virus. This worked and the virus has not returned. Of course my friend also started being cautious about multimedia messages too, which helped.

    Her bill was about US$300. She could afford it but it would require taking money out of her savings. She is currently battling with the phone company over it, and so far, despite competition in the Philippines way beyond what we see here in the US, they have refused to bend. I know most cellphone companies in the US would have taken those charges off the bill, or at least negotiated most of them away, but hers did not.

    I think that's an interesting account of the real-world damage cellphone viruses can do. The messages, by the way, were ads for a pornographic cellphone web site which offended many of the recipients.

    Like the Blackberry, my T-Mobile sidekick is virus free because it's a closed, proprietary system. Sometimes closed, proprietary systems are the best way to go.

    D

  40. Not common yet, but they're working on it. by Tool+Man · · Score: 2, Informative

    The bigger threats here might be more related to crossover cases, either on the device or the worm itself. The recent Linux/Windows proof of concept is an example of the latter, though in its infancy. For the former though, there is at least one case where a Windows glitch can be exploited in both PCs and mobile devices. SANS story While not common yet, the power of available devices will grow, and costs will decrease. Of course, reasonable policies can help in general; start with trusting nothing, and then make exceptions as needed. The IT folks where I work do have wireless access points set up in the office, but with all available security enabled. Even then, those users are still firewalled off from most of the network. That said, I must say I like my little Palm Treo 650, though I haven't been tempted by Bluetooth yet.

  41. Re:Anti-hobbyist? - not neccessarily by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of the stuff covering how PlatSec works, and how to handle it is available here

    Depending on what you want to do changes what capabilities you require. You might not require any at all, and you can still install unsigned software, you'll just get a nice set of warnings about what features it's trying to access.
    Getting is signed is a bit expensive for your average hobbiest, but there is a faq here

  42. A bit bigger than that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A software image is typically around 12-30 Meg instead of 2-4 Meg from 5 years ago...so they're a good couple of million lines these days.
    Phone programmers are also more acutely aware of how code bloats (with strict budgets for rom and ram), and write much tighter code than windows programmers.

    I'm not even going to start on how you count lines of code though ;)

  43. Re:Infrared - or cell phones at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right totally stupid; though blutooth is a more reasonable attack vector.. but looking at the technical accuracy of the posting (these comments apply to Symbian phones on GSM and WCDMA networks. IS-95 and other older networks lack some of the security features) ..


    • "no notion of user access levels"
      • Separate physical device per user.
      • network configurable service levels

    • "lack of effective authentication"
      • what you have - SIM
      • what you know - PIN
      • what you are your phone is - IMEI.
      • ability to renounce (HLR)
      • automatic screen lock (all symbian and several others)

    • "no data encryption,"
      • all signalling messages encrypted with interchangable, upgradable algorythm (reasonably strong in the case of WCDMA)
      • user data encryption on air interface standard in most systems
      • user data encryption on WDCMA possible to guarantee from SIM
      • data on Symbian phones encrypted in Wallet function
      • full IPSEC VPN functions in Symbian phones



    • Add to that cryptographic software verification by default; overly paranoid application design, and you are more likely to find security too tight than too lose. The main question is whether your cell phone provider will let you install all the software you actually want to install.

  44. Thanks for information about Symbian Signed by tepples · · Score: 1

    You might not require any at all, and you can still install unsigned software, you'll just get a nice set of warnings about what features it's trying to access.

    The PDFs on the page that you linked suggest that the warnings for most "unsigned sandboxed APIs" happen at install time, which is better than what I had imagined (every time an unsigned program starts).

    Windows Mobile includes a checkbox for a network operator (also called carrier or provider) to turn off execution of unsigned code entirely, and almost the entire North American carrier oligopoly turns it on to preserve the revenue stream of each network operator's own online store. Does Symbian OS have a similar checkbox? Based on this page, it would appear that they do:

    Market channel owners (such as network operators, phone manufacturers and download distribution sites) are concerned about the end user experience. From their perspective it is better that the application is signed and some channels such as Preminet mandate this. It is up to the channel to define their policy on whether content must be Symbian Signed or not.

    Another non-surprise, from the PDF that describes the process for obtaining a developer testing certificate:

    Symbian Signed have created a tool called DevCertRequest which is used to create the CSR. This is a Microsoft Windows® based application wizard used as a first step for requesting a Symbian Developer Certificate.
    In other words, people who use Linux or (pre-Intel) Mac OS need to buy a new computer to run Windows just to get a developer certificate. Or is this known to work in WINE?

    Though Symbian Signed makes a provision for free software and freeware (but not for "content", defined as works other than software), do network operators respect this? And are there corresponding freeware programs for other platforms? (There's definitely not one for BREW, as the BREW model resembles the video game console development model more than anything else.)

  45. Re:"I just want to make a phone call" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are so many radio waves in the air these days. It wouldn't surprise me at all if these frequencies are causing mutations and health problems for our future generations. Nobody really cares though, money and the immediate benifits are all anyone really cares about. It's the same situation with global warming and the environment. And by the time we humans realize that we have eradicated ourselves it will be far too late to do anything to save ourselves. Actually perhaps it already is.

  46. highly likely to happen by john_uy · · Score: 1

    there was a bluetooth type "virus" that automatically hijacks phones that had their bluetooth on (caribe virus i think.) though there is a prompt to the users about bluetooth access, many in our country (philippines) got infected and had to reinstall the os in their phones (many repair shops were actually making money charging around $10 to fix.)

    this wouldn't be very difficult in mobile phones especially now they are becoming more connected via ip. my friend told me once that he connected his pc to the mobile phone and used the grps feature. since an ip is assigned, he is able to access the other phones and i think he was able to look at some files in some phones.

    i guess it is just a matter of time where we see in our bills a very big internet charges.

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