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Apple Sets Tune for Pricing of Song Downloads

PygmySurfer writes "Apple Computer on Monday revealed it had renewed contracts with the four largest record companies to sell songs through its iTunes digital store at 99 cents each. The agreements came after months of bargaining, and were a defeat for music companies that had been pushing for a variable pricing model."

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  1. It makes me feel all good inside... by crazyjeremy · · Score: 5, Funny
    The music industry's big four - Universal, Warner Music, EMI and Sony BMG - were not immediately available to comment ... The issue has occasionally become acrimonious, with Mr Jobs last year publicly labelling the industry "greedy". However, several music executives privately acknowledge that they have little leverage over Mr Jobs.
    Heheheh... I dunno, but ANYTIME a big guy saves the little guy money, and greedy corporate america gets told to "stuff it" and HAS to listen... It just makes me feel all good inside.
    1. Re:It makes me feel all good inside... by 0racle · · Score: 5, Funny

      several music executives privately acknowledge that they have little leverage over Mr Jobs

      Perhaps someone should download the Imperial March from iTunes in honour of this.

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    2. Re:It makes me feel all good inside... by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They have leverage, they just aren't willing to use it.

      If the 4 RIAA companies were willing to offer Non-DRM music, they could ditch Apple in a heartbeat.

      They're stuck because the most popular music player has a DRM format controlled by Apple.

      I bet the RIAA would love to see the iPod 'opened up' to support other DRM schemes. Then they could use a different distribution method... one that has variable pricing.

      The Emperor & Darth Vader would destroy Apple & their music empire. Not because they're rebels, but because they didn't go along.

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    3. Re:It makes me feel all good inside... by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 5, Informative

      With downloads, costs are almost nonexistant.

      Now that's not even close to right.

      You ever priced a Mackie? Studio time? A decent microphone? There are a large number of non-trivial costs to producing an album. No, GarageBand and a Shure mic from Sam Ash isn't going to cut it. If you want professional sound (i.e., something that will sell), then you've got to get some professional gear. And that takes professional amounts of cash. Sure, you can cut your distribution costs with on-line sales, and yes, distributino costs are significant. But to hand-wave the rest of the costs of production as "almost nonexistent" shows a shocking lack of common sense.

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    4. Re:It makes me feel all good inside... by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the music was available without the DRM, people would still play it on their iPods. It was already the market leader before the iTMS opened for business, just as it is in countries where the iTMS isn't yet available.

      What the record companies don't understand is that they shouldn't fuck with something that works. Several of the also-rans offered all kinds of variability in the pricing, the number of times you could play a track, how many MP3 players you could copy it to, whether you could burn it to a CD, etc, etc. The iTMS beats them all, hands-down.

      If Apple withdraws the iTMS from the French market, then people in France will just go back to ripping their own CDs, or getting them from P2P networks, and they'll still play them all on their iPods.

      -jcr

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    5. Re:It makes me feel all good inside... by Baricom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the music was available without the DRM, people would still play it on their iPods. It was already the market leader before the iTMS opened for business, just as it is in countries where the iTMS isn't yet available.

      Exactly, and I think that's what the parent was getting at. The DRM mandated by the RIAA ended up giving Apple leverage. The industry had a choice - they could either agree to Apple's terms, or drop DRM so that the iPod could play the music from a competitor. The third possible option - dumping Apple and going with a more cooperative company - wasn't available because the DRM wouldn't work with the iPod.

      In other words, the RIAA's stubbornness in 2000 came back to haunt them five years later.

    6. Re:It makes me feel all good inside... by shark72 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Tell me again why a DVD is less than a CD?"

      Okay, once again: supply and demand.

      I think that many Slashdotters are of the perception that businesses are obligated to set their pricing based on material cost (which, believe it or not, is typically a small portion of the cost of sale). Or, perhaps to be more accurate, they know why a Ferarri costs more than a Honda, and a Honda costs more than an Kia, even though the cost of the components (the metal and plastic that makes up the car) is about the same for all three. They probably also understand why a shirt from Hugo Boss costs more than a shirt from Kenneth Cole, which costs more than a shirt from Sears, even though the material and manufacturing costs are the same for all three. But when Slashdotters observe that the material costs for CDs and DVDs are approximately the same, they hit a mental block and don't quite get the principle of supply and demand that drives pricing in other industries.

      If you're not sure how supply and demand affects pricing of DVDs vs. CDs, think for a few moments about how you use a DVD, and how you use a CD. Few DVDs are worth buying for me, because realistically, I'd only watch it once or twice. A DVD has to be pretty cheap in order for me to watch it. On the other hand, I'll listen to a good CD hundreds of times or more. It's all about the enjoyment you get out of the product. You might enjoy wearing that Kenneth Cole shirt rather than the Sears shirt. It fits better, and it's more flattering, or maybe it just makes you feel better. You enjoy driving that Ferarri more than the Kia. So, if the difference is worth it, you'll pay more. Get it?

      If I'm not connecting with you, maybe somebody else can explain it better.

      "A mass production model that wants $20 for a CD instead of selling a couple million copies at $5 a pop doesn't make sense."

      Agreed. CDs haven't been $20 in the US for ages. The average price for a new release is down to $13 or $14. This is supply and demand at work again. Selling a CD for $5 doesn't make much sense, either, as it would likely be negative margin (a retail price of $5 would likely mean that it was sold into disti for about $3, which is likely below the cost of sale).

      I think you may also be making the assumption that the CD market has what's called perfect elasticity, in which a $5 CD will sell 3x as many copies as a $15 CD.

      "The result is I simply quit buying CD's. How is this profitable?"

      One thing that the pros understand, that lay people often haven't learned, is that it's not necessary to get every potential customer to be a success. This is why that Kenneth Cole shirt costs $150, when they could probably sell it for $20 and make a profit. The secret is to find the optimum price point on the supply/demand curve (if a market has perfect elasticity, that curve would be a straight line at a 45 degree angle... but almost no industry is like that). So BMG doesn't sell you many CDs, and Kenneth Cole probably doesn't sell you many shirts, either. My guess is that both of them are fine with this.

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    7. Re:It makes me feel all good inside... by shark72 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "OK, let's try one more time. How about price fixing? Now, that's better."

      I guess it's time again to explain how the labels were price fixing, and why they got nailed, and why it wasn't such a good thing for lots of people. I take it that you're of the understanding that it relates to the fact that CDs all tend to cost about the same, but that's not correct. Sorry.

      Here's what happened:

      • Best Buy and Wal-Mart started selling CDs at the front of the store. They sold them as loss leaders; ie. they made sub-standard margins (or even lost money), because they were draws to get customers into the store. Best Buy had that store full of electronics, and Wal-Mart had that store full of clothes and other crap. That's where the real money is.
      • A couple of retailers that primarily sold CDs (Tower Records, TWE, and one more which I forget) were understandably annoyed. Unlike Best Buy and Wal-Mart, they didn't have a store full of high-margin stuff to sell. For them, it was either make money on the CDs, or else. But Wal-Mart and Best Buy were spending millions on circulars advertising prices that Tower et al. just couldn't hit.
      • So, they went to the record companies (notably Universal) and asked for help.
      • Universal set them up on a MAP program. That stands for "minimum advertised price" and lots of industries do it (including the PC peripheral industry). Universal helped fund Tower and TWE's ads, as long as Tower and TWE didn't advertise CDs for below a certain price. They could sell CDs for any price they liked, but if they printed prices in ads, it couldn't go below the MAP.
      • Wal-Mart and Best Buy noticed this and effectively got the government to bitch-slap Universal.

      The net result is that Tower Records went into bankrupcty and has been sold several times. Wal-Mart and Best Buy continue to sell CDs as loss leaders, and are contributing to the extinction of the independent record store. Music has become more homogenized, and CD prices didn't go down as a result of the settlement.

      This is good news for you if you happen to like the music that Wal-Mart and Best Buy sell, or if you subscribe to the "what's good for Wal-Mart is good for America" philosophy. It's not so good for you if the local Wal-Mart or Best Buy have helped your local indie record shop close its doors.

      And, of course, MAP programs continue to this day in lots and lots of industries. The moral here is not to try doing MAPs if there's the chance that this will piss off Wal-Mart or Best Buy.

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    8. Re:It makes me feel all good inside... by shark72 · · Score: 5, Informative

      "So you are obviously an economist, since you know what supply and demand is... but you have never heard of economies of scale."

      No, I'm high up in marketing for a major vendor of PC peripherals. As a result, I have to know this stuff pretty well.

      I'll try to keep this as simple as possible, but supply and demand is typically a curve, not a flat line. A flat line would be an example of "perfect elasticity," as I mentioned in my original post.

      In short, when you're setting up pricing, the curve might show you that a 50% drop in price might only increase sales by 25% (if it were perfectly elastic, a product that cost half as much would sell 2X as many copies, and a product that cost twice as much would sell half as many units. But perfect elasticity rarely happens. For any market that's of sufficient size, you can bet that the big players have hired the appropriately smart people to do the work to understand what the curve looks like. In my particular corner of the world, I already know that selling my product at $89 rather than $99 might reduce the product's net margin by 20%, but it won't increase sales enough to make it as profitable as if I'd left it at $99. So, I don't do it. Understand?

      "You think $5 CDs would be a loss?? Maybe if the music business is more bloated than I thought. I can make CDs for less than $3... so the cost of production is not the issue."

      I don't think it's an issue of the music industry being bloated... that's not for me to say, but I do understand the realities of selling stuff in retail. First, keep in mind that a CD is sold to a distributor, who adds five points, before selling it to a reseller (retail store). Retailers like Amazon might add 10 or 15 points; brick and mortar retailers might add more. So, if your manufacturing cost is $3.00, you can pretty much rule out setting a retail price of $5.

      It's also important to understand the difference between net margin and gross margin. As you've correctly pointed out, the manufacturing cost isn't the big one. If you're selling PC equipment, you also have:

      1. Shipping costs. Somebody's got to pay them.
      2. Sales and marketing. Channel programs, merchandising, all that stuff. This isn't free.
      3. Accruals for price protections and defective returns.
      4. Miscellaneous overhead stuff like renting the warehouse that holds the inventory, and the salaries of the various people who help design, build, sell or market the product.

      "You may be right about the current rate bringing in the most money, but you are seriously deluded if you think that /.ers buy the dung that you are heaping."

      Well, you're right, in a way. I don't think that most people reading this believe that I'm correct. Slashdotters tend to be experts in server administration and coding and stuff like that; they're not in sales or marketing. I have tremendous respect for the folks who are experts in these areas, but spend a few days on Slashdot and you'll see that it's not reciprocal. There's also the phenomenon on Slashdot that I like to call "I know a little about one thing, so that makes me an expert on a lot of things." It goes with the territory.

      "Also, according to the numbers The music industry has been pulling in less money lately. Maybe a valid case could be made that CDs are overpriced."

      Oh, they've definitely been overpriced. CD prices have been in freefall over the past few years.

      "I guarantee that the music industry DOES care if he buys a CD. BMG does not make its money by being exclusive. That's a horrible comparison."

      Perhaps I didn't explain it well enough. If they can be more profitable by setting the price points that will cause some segment of the audience to opt out of buying the product, they'll do it. It all gets back to that supply/demand curve.

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  2. Re:Good to see leverage moving from the labels, by Original+Replica · · Score: 5, Insightful

    big label artists are still being boned
    So maybe they need to stop being big label artists. Easer said than done I realize, but if they can maintain and even use their fanbase to move to a more progressive indie label they will pave the way for artists who currently need the clout of a big label to get noticed. Once listening to bands on a Internet only indie label becomes trendy, then digital music will be all that we want it to be, right now there is still too much $$$ in the old corperate giants, because people still go for the big corperate product.

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  3. Re:Too expensive by djrogers · · Score: 5, Insightful
    $0.99 is far above my threshhold for a lossy, DRM-laden song. I realize that as long as Apple has to pay the record companies on the order of $0.70/song, the price will never become reasonable. Considering the low distribution cost to the record companies, they could sell these at half the cost and make a LOT more money -- on volume. But that's not gonna happen.

    I don't think so. See, you represent one end of the bell curve we'll call 'cheapskate' and the fact is, no matter what the price were set to, someone will fall further along that curve than you and claim that everyone is missing out on huge profits by not dropping the price in half.

    The reality is that given the enormous success of the iTMS, it seems that Jobs et all were spot on with their pricing model (which one would assume was arrived at after much research). Reality check - nobody sells a BILLION of anything that's outrageously overpriced...

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  4. Serves right - Profit Maximization does not always by unity100 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... maximize profits.

    Profit Maximization and its importance is taught in econ classes, and the sales crowd give it a rather exagerrated importance, but the fact that the 'market' is in fact people which have a tendency to behave according to their own choosing and not as mindless drones of the 'invisible hand' is not.

    They always go for getting the maximum profit achievable with a given or minimum quantity of sales. The very thought at the end does not deliver what they want to get indeed :

    If you make an easily obtainable/copyable product overpriced, you pump up piracy, or at the least unwillingness to buy your products in the target crowd.

    How many of us would think 'well, its just nothing, let me get 5-10 songs tonight' if the price per song was $5 or $10 ? or would any of us get a 'cheaper' song because the song we wanted was priced much higher ? is it that simple that we are going to get the 'best obtainable' from the songs provided ? a sheer stupidity scratch for the marketing crowd ? yes .

    Not only the 'profit maximizing' concept actually hampers the profits, but it also shatters market reach and market control - which is something priceless in most respects. Sell a song for just $0.10, and youll get hordes of people buying songs because 'its just nothing' in price - youll become a net standard.

    Sell them for $5, and youll get piracy.

  5. Inside truth behind variable prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Price as Signal

    Forbes: "EMI Group boss Alain Levy said at press conference today that he believed Jobs would introduce multiple price points for iTunes music within the next year."

    The story they're trying to tell you is that "older, less popular songs could be discounted, and in-demand singles could go for more than a dollar."

    Let's think this through, because I think the recording industry is lying about why they want different prices.

    Before I start with that, have you ever noticed that movie theaters charge the same price for all movies, whether they are Steven Spielberg blockbusters or crappy John Travolta religious quackery disguised as science fiction that nobody in their right mind would want to see?

    Theoretically, when a super-duper-blockbuster comes out, like, say, Lord of the Rings, there's so much demand that the movie theaters just end up turning people away. Econ 101 says that they should raise the price on these ultra-popular movies. As long as the movie is sold out, why not jack up the price and make more money?

    Similarly, when stinkers like Lesbian Gangster Yoga with Ben Affleck come out, the movie theatre is going to be pretty much empty anyway ... so Econ 101 says they should lower the price and try to get a few more bucks filling up the theater with price-sensitive moviegoers.

    And indeed this is what the recording industry is telling you that they want to do on iTunes. But they don't do it in movie theaters. Why not?

    The answer is that pricing sends a signal. People have come to believe that "you get what you pay for." If you lowered the price of a movie, people would immediately infer from the low price that it's a crappy movie and they wouldn't go see it. If you had different prices for movies, the $4 movies would have a lot less customers than they get anyway. The entertainment industry has to maintain a straight face and tell you that Gigli or Battlefield Earth are every bit as valuable as Wedding Crashers or Star Wars or nobody will go see them.

    Now, the reason the music recording industry wants different prices has nothing to do with making a premium on the best songs. What they really want is a system they can manipulate to send signals about what songs are worth, and thus what songs you should buy. I assure you that when really bad songs come out, as long as they're new and the recording industry wants to promote those songs, they'll charge the full $2.49 or whatever it is to send a fake signal that the songs are better than they really are. It's the same reason we've had to put up with crappy radio for the last few decades: the music industry promotes what they want to promote, whether it's good or bad, and the main reason they want to promote something is because that's a bargaining chip they can use in their negotiations with artists.

    Here's the dream world for the EMI Group, Sony/BMG, etc.: there are two prices for songs on iTunes, say, $2.49 and $0.99. All the new releases come out at $2.49. Some classic rock (Sweet Home Alabama) is at $2.49. Unwanted, old, crap, like, say, Brandy (You're A Fine Girl) -- the crap we only know because it was pushed on us in the 70s by paid-off disk jockeys -- would be deliberately priced at $0.99 to send a clear message that $0.99 = crap.

    And now when a musician gets uppity, all the recording industry has to do is threaten to release their next single straight into the $0.99 category, which will kill it dead no matter how good it is. And suddenly the music industry has a lot more leverage over their artists in negotiations: the kind of leverage they are used to having. Their favorite kind of leverage. The "we won't promote your music if you don't let us put rootkits on your CDs" kind of leverage.

    And Apple? Apple wants the signaling to come from what they promote on the front page of the iTunes Music Store. In the battle between Apple and the recording industry over who gets to manipulate what songs you buy, Apple (like movie theaters) is going to be in f