BlueSecurity Database Compromised?
Stray1 writes ""You are recieving this email because you are a member of BlueSecurity...." An email from unknown detractors has taken the Bluesecurity anti spam lists and decided to take matters into their own hands. I recieved this Email from an anonymous, and garbled host, which went on to say in not so fantastic english that I, as a Blusecurity member, would recieve this and many more (about 20 -30) spam messages a day until I left the blue security community. Blue Security, (www.bluesecurity.com)a website and community designed to lessen your Spam Email, is down for the moment. Is this what we have come to? Spam,(erm 'high volume email') companys holding your address hostage until you comply? "...We mightve had your email addresses before in our lists, but now, we are targetting YOU, because YOU are a bluesecurity user". I have to say, up until this point, my spam was down by about 70% to 80%."
What the hell does 20 or 30 messages mean? Nothing at all to me. I reject anywhere from 20 to 40 THOUSAND emails daily, on a domain with precisely two email users: My wife and me. The vast majority of the crap I get is easily rejected because it's sent to bogus (as in, they never ever existed) email addresses. SpamAssassin catches much of the rest.
It was a joke! When you give me that look it was a joke.
We really need to take the internet back from these guys. Reply to every spam e-mail by going to their web site, and filling out bogus info. Give them bad information overload. Same thing goes for junk mail and telemarketers. When somebody sends you a credit card offer, send it back to them, writing "Take me off your list". Make sure they have to waste so much time throwing out bad mail that it isn't worth their time. When telemarketers call, ask them to hold on a minute. Then set down the phone and don't pick it up again for 10 minutes. That will dig into their costs.
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
BlueFrog has been criticised for it's so-called "vigilante" approach.. it's not alone in this approach, but perhaps this does go to show a potential downside: spammers are evil - pissed off spammers will simply direct the evil at the people who pissed them off.
Never email donotemail@WeAreSpammers.com
Here's what I was sent:
"Hey,
You are recieving this email because you are a member of BlueSecurity (http://www.bluesecurity.com).
You signed up because you were expecting to recieve a lesser amount of spam, unfortunately, due to the tactics used by BlueSecurity, you will end up recieving this message, or other nonsensical spams 20-40 times more than you would normally.
How do you make it stop?
Simple, in 48 hours, and every 48 hours thereafter, we will run our current list of BlueSecurity subscribers through BlueSecurity's database, if you arent there.. you wont get this again.
We have devised a method to retrieve your address from their database, so by signing up and remaining a BlueSecurity user not only are you opening yourself up for this, you are also potentially verifying your email address through them to even more spammers, and will end up getting up even more spam as an end-result.
By signing up for bluesecurity, you are doing the exact opposite of what you want, so delete your account, and you will stop recieving this.
Why are we doing this?
Its simple, we dont want to, but BlueSecurity is forcing us. We would much rather not waste our resources and send you these useless mails, but do not believe for one second that we will stop this tirade of emails if you choose to stay with BlueSecurity.
Just remember one thing when you read this, we didnt do this to you, BlueSecurity did.
If BlueSecurity decides to play fair, we will do the same.
We are quite sure you will think this will not continue, that we will not continue wasting our resources doing this, feel free to wait out the first 48, or the second, and see whether these stop, you will be quite suprised.
If you have another email under the protection of bluesecurity, and have not recieved this there, do not worry, you will soon enough.
We mightve had your email addresses before in our lists, but now, we are targetting YOU, because YOU are a bluesecurity user.
You might also notice, that the BlueSecurity site(http://www.bluesecurity.com) is down..
Just remove yourself from BlueSecurity, and make it easier on you.
Sal Webber"
http://members.bluesecurity.com is still up; I don't know what they did to www., but it seems to be down.
Meanwhile, stay on, ride it out. Use your spam filter to catch the spams; heuristics will still capture the spams they're sending if they're reported. This guy is desperate - likely going bankrupt - and some of us in the Blue Community would like to see him and his sort become paupers for their asshattery.
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When will the world learn, violence begets violence and spam begets spam. Lets find a real solution to the problem rahter then a vigalante justice.
Actually, I've found that things some people think are unfortunate or bad beget shallow, empty platitudes.
Sometimes, violence simply ends violence, because there is no other way. Sometimes, fighting fire with fire is the best way. Sometimes showing someone what it's like to suffer the consequences of their own actions actually changes their behavior.
I'm all for as many technical approaches as possible, but finding "a real solution to the problem" that doesn't involve some degree of making this painful/costly for the spammers simply isn't going to work. Even if, through filtering, you can get 99% of the stuff blocked, all they have to do is increase the volume that much more to make that remaining 1% still pay off. Remember, they're not paying for their own overhead most of the time.
Your "real solution" comment, in the context of "violence only begets violence" is completely tone deaf. You're applying Israeli-Palestinian-conflict-type babble to a completely different situation. The spammers are not oppressed, or the victims of some historical violent wrong... they're a parasitic, bandwidth sucking plague. Any means by which we can stop them is called for. Surely you don't think that you're going to just turn the other Bayesian Filter Cheek, or write a Korea-bound, thought-provoking appeal to integrity and expect the onslaught to stop? Tempting as it is, no one is suggesting actual violence - just a substantial response in kind, only when provoked. It's called self defense, and it's an appropriate measure because it only happens when an illegal spammer causes it to happen.
How fortunate for you that you've never had anything violent threaten you, requiring you to offer up a physical deterrent to stop it. If you had, you might rethink your metaphors.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
I dont think it has been hacked. Apart from the fact that i think they are too stupid to be able to break the kind of encryption small governments would like to be able to.
The list works in way that the spammers can feed addresses into it, and get a positive or negative result depending in whether the address is in the list.
This is why i have seen these emails coming into addresses that are on a domain i have chosen to protect. But those email addresses were never specifically supplied to bluefrog! My domain name is known to them, but not the address before the @.
These guys are only able to spam email addresses that they already had before. they can find out if an existing address they already have is a member of bluefrog, but thats all.
As many spammers choose to comply with the Registry (see our recent blog posts here, here and here), other spammers may resort to other means in an attempt to avoid compliance.
A major spammer had started spamming our members with discouraging messages in an attempt to demoralize our community. This spammer is using mailing lists he already owns that may contain addresses of some community members.
We have also received complaints from users about spam allegedly sent from Blue Security promoting our anti-spam solution and our web site. This is yet another tactic used by some spammers in an attempt to slander us by sending unsolicited email forged to appear as if it was sent from Blue Security. Blue Security is an anti-spam company determined to fight spam and as such never has and never will send unsolicited email.
Our answer to those criminals should be one - we will not be discouraged; We will continue to exercise our right to opt-out of spam.
If you are not a member of our community, now is the time to actively fight spam and make spammers leave you alone. For more information click here.
If you are already a member of our community, make spammers hear you load and clear - report your spam, let Blue Frog fight spammers on your behalf.
We regret any inconvenience caused by this incident.
Best Regards,
Blue Security.
...blue security takes another step, besides re-spamming the spammers sites. They also directly contact every advertiser featured in spam, asking them to stop paying these spammers because they sent emails to X number of users who arent interested. It may not be very effective, who knows. But its a great idea. If companies stopped paying for spam, it would sure dry up pretty fast, and the companies care allot more about the customers than the spammers. Im sure at least *some* companies genuinely dont even realize that the publicity firms they hired are using spam.
then they laugh at you...
:D
then they fight you...
then you win
One thing is safe to know: At least the spammers are now PAYING ATTENTION to us. A year ago they didn't even know we exist. Then they tried to give bad publicity to Blue Security in anti-spam websites (they said bluefrog was a botnet).
Later, SendSafe included an option to use bluefrog's list to NOT send spam to those addresses.
Finally, they're targeting us directly. You know what that means B-)
Also, I doubt the database's been compromised. I'm sure they only diffed the original and the filtered e-mail list. This means that only a small percentage of e-mail targets has been truly released.
Why not just sign spam@uce.gov up? That way the US government will have a nice log of who is sending these emails. Plus, if the spammer shares the list, there will be additional spammers who will happily be reporting themselves for violating the CAN-SPAM act.
The site hasn't been hacked.
...which I would be pasting here if I could get to the goddamned site. Thanks a lot, slashdot. I'll be back to post the full text once I can get in the bloody site.
Hasn't anyone gone to bluesecurity.com to actually see what THEY have to say about this "security breach"?
I have two other email address that WERE NOT signed up with BlueFrog also getting this spam.
BlueSecurity's official statement is this:
In short, the spammers are PISSED and they'll do anything to get people to unsubscribe from BlueFrog, including sending spams with lies. Don't fall for it. Keep fighting spam.
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correct, it is a maligned word for no reason. Vigilante. One who is vigilant, pays attention, does their job and duty..
Crime is everyone's problem, it isn't only the police's job. They can't be everywhere all the time and numerous court cases says that they don't even have to help if they don't feel like it. Strange but true facts. If I saw an old lady getting mugged, I would thump the attacker, right on the spot. Vigilante (with some politically correct bad connotation), or concerned citizen? If I saw bank robbers fleeing the scene (masks on, bags of loot, obvious stuff)and jumping into the getaway car, and I was in my car, I would ram them to disable the car. If they wanted to get nasty, I am a tool user and owner, I could deal with that as well.
I know some nations have it so that joe ordinary citizen isn't supposed to "interfere", and passed laws against it, I am glad I do not live in such a place. I call that the criminal protection acts. It's uber-lame.
Want to know why all the illegal immigrants decided to "protest" their status as illegal border jumpers and illegal job jackers and illegal US government benefits stealers? Concerned US citizens noticed the government was NOT enforcing the laws on the books, so they take action, watching, reporting, in some cases citizens arrest when they caught the jumpers on private prperty trespassing, now they building their own border fences, which is entirely legal. It started small but grew in size and importance, started to get some press, millions of legal residents all went RIGHT ON, INCLUDING all the legal immigrants who are honest and went through the necessary steps, and it was obvious it was working. The criminals decided to "fight back" with demonstrations. Screw them!
Sorry, if you are here illegally, GO HOME, clean up your own nations *first*. If it is SO BAD wherever you come from that anyone "you" feel the need to flee, it is ALSO bad enough you should take "emergency drastic action" in your own nations FIRST. Be a patriot, clean up your own nations and make them more productive and more free, don't abandon your fellow nationals.
Several of the emails I received feature this line in the body text:
YOU CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES and expect to get away with it.
So... but it's okay to forge headers, right? And use a botnet to flood my inbox with this crap, right? A botnet which was built by writing a virus that would turn an unsuspecting user's computer into a zombie so you could pump out more of this crap like a frikkin' coward from some bunker in the midwest. That part is totally a-okay right?
News flash for pathetic spammers like these ones: The whole point was: we didn't want to hear from you idiot spammers in the first place. Period. We attempted unsubscribing and you didn't unsubscribe us. In fact most of you spammed us even harder. You didn't take our collective "no" for an answer. Now that we had a new outlet for our "no" to be sent to you, as an apparent last resort, you're calling what we're doing "illegal?!?!"
Spammers are retarded.
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Apparently they're using MD5 hashes truncated to 30 bits.
From http://www.bluesecurity.com/technology/registry.a
I find this very interesting. If an e-mail has one (and only one) MD5 hash, it also has one and only one 30-bits prefix of an MD5 hash. For practical purposes, it's equivalent.
This Blurry Hashing was reviewed in the Spam Kings blog, and it appears to have a 1/1000 probability of false positives, but who cares? It works!
Regarding submitting the e-mail list, apparently the entire hashed list is downloaded (a few megs) and processed locally via software. I haven't checked if the "do not intrude" checking tool is published in the source code. But just knowing that Blue Frog is open source, is a relief.
Quite right, marxie. In fact, GMail has already quashed the whole debacle. The next step is for the Blue guys to locate the asshat and see if a formal complaint is in order - or better: a class action suit. Harassment is not a way to save your business.
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Are you actually trying to use the bible as a foundation for your argument?
The problem is that you are wrong about whom get attacked by 'the violent'. They attack those whome are easiest to intimidate, regardless of actual strength. (which is one reason why terrorism is such an effective offensive strategy against the USA btw)
First of all, terrorism is often performed by parties who, due to anonymity, are immune (or are difficult) to counterattack. Second, the USA is actually fairly hard to intimidate. Say what you want about the many bubbas of this country, but they are the first to say "let's go kick their ass." Third, and most relevant, while you can debate whether the strong get attacked too, you seem to blissfully ignore the fact that the poster is absolutely correct on the specific point addressed - spammers have nothing to fear in terms of an actual counterattack. To draw an analogy from RTS games, the defending mail servers are just "turtling," building up stronger and stronger defenses in the hope the attackers will decide that spamming is not worth the effort. Maybe the strategy will work, maybe it will not, but we all know the flaw with turtling - you can never kill the opponent, only survive.
"Harassment is not a way to save your business."
It is much more than harassment, it is a federal crime called extortion.
I hope Blue Security makes such a complaint to the FBI. These assclown spammers are compounding crime with more crime.
They really *should* be locked up in a labor camp for the crime known in the former Soviet Union as "parasitism."
Ignorance is curable, stupid is forever.
(killthem) :)
:) our good friend and master of hes job did that. heh it's just a beginin.
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FoGGeR lol yeh sure am a fed and you a blueguy
anyway fuck you and your company we're fighting you and i recived around 100 pvt msgs
telling me that they're with me. No need to remove them we'll just show them who we're. Thanks
(killthem)
LCS yes it's been down
(ebulker)
yes down but members.bluesecurity.com still up need to down www, members, community !
need to fuck all aliases afaik this domain used in bluefrog ?
(killthem)
xxzindoxx and bluefrog feeel me babys
you can both of ya blow me and belusecurity company as well. the game started i am the winner
hehe and yes Hello to all the feds they're most welcome to get over and visit me hehe.
bleu i got over 400 pm's last days and feel the power of this people very soon.
we walk slow but the heat gonna TO BIG FOR YOU.
all the sponsors contact me if you having problems with this fuckers i'll give you everything
you need help people servers money and all.
LETS FUCK BELUSECURITY.COM bleusecurity.com are down already lol
(crazy)
You BlueFrog faggots, you think this is the only community that has your whole database?
You honestly think a community of people you are trying to take down are going to
REMOVE you from their lists? Look, killthem is not an anti, I know him personally,
so let that whole bullshit idea go to rest. Second, by running that database as froms
or mailing them on a dedicated box will not result in any "fed" coming to your door,
more so you'll just be pissing off another bullshit internet-lamer who can't understand
how to filter a simple spam message, so they join some bullshit community called
"BlueFrog" and think they can run this shit. BF, newsflash: do you realize how many
resources this community as a whole controls? Do you honestly think you stand a chance?
Your domain is down, it's a matter of time before more nets are mounted to bring down your
members area and it'll be held down continuously until BF userbase has gotten to the
point they can't perform their equally illegal DDOS attacks. Guys, download the DB,
spam it, compile your lists with it and trade it around. Use them as froms, mail your
anti DB with them, do whatever you want.
Let this database leak to the point all these stupid ass fucks have to get new e-mail addresses.
Adios bluefreaks
(killthem)
did you ever try to protect your websites and all ? you're fucking down baby
Date 5/2/2006
(crazy)
Pinging 194.90.8.20 [194.90.8.20]:
Ping #1: * [No response]
Ping #2: * [No response]
Ping #3: * [No response]
Ping #4: * [No response]
Done pinging 194.90.8.20
Boy oh boy
Date 5/2/2006
(dollar)
"baby why dont you hit me with your best shot!!" da daa da daa "I said baby why dont you hit me with your best shot"
Thats what these bluefrog idiots have been singing the whole time. They simply asked for it.
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Date 5/2/2006