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Dell, HP, Lenovo Announce New Display Protocol
An anonymous reader writes "If HDMI, DVI and UDI weren't enough for you, several major PC manufacturers have announced a joint alliance to come up with another display adapter, creatively named Displayport. The new method is backwards compatible with DVI, but offers double the bandwidth."
Another toy, Will help destroy, The elder race of man. Thank you Geddy. So, now the average consumer is even more confused when they go to the store?
The real question for many of us is: will this protocol enforce anti-user controls? Perhaps someone knows more about these standards.
The DisplayPort specification also addresses... as well as optional content protection Optional? I think they made a spelling mistake. Isn't there a s, a t, an a, a n, a d, an a, a r, and a d in the word standard.
Isn't DRM on a monitor like water wings on a fish?
The only bright light in this spec. That and it supposedly can support *really* high resolutions.
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If you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention.
I've noticed that a lot of users are stating that extra bandwidth is unnecessary.
Keep in mind that today's top-of-the-line LCD displays, running at QUXGA (3200x2400) require multiple DVI dual link connections, and comprise multiple discrete panels, each with its individual signal feed. A display by IBM (T221, I believe is the model number) currently does this.
I believe Lenovo manufactures IBM's flat panel displays. Could the T221 be a potential justification for Lenovo to co-sponsor this technology?
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More importantly than being backward compatible with DVI is well it accept a DVI-VGA adapter. You're not taking my kick ass 17" IBM tubes from my workbench any time soon. LCD is just not dependable for working at various resolutions.
There are no details in the article, but I'm hoping for an optic-based connection. This can remove the length restrictions and electric interference. Not to mention the cable will be much cheaper.
"Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
It looks more like they are planning some craptacular (via a scam chip buried someplace in the machine) way to make it impossible to view their (someone "their's") expensive "intellectual property" unless it is in the approved format of the week. Crack one level, you still have to view it, only to meet the new craptacular connection and monitor, tough noogies again. Call it defense of profits in depth, hard wired. Hit 'em in the hardware, hit 'em in the software, double nail them with laws, eventually they have 99% of the people buffaloed into economic submission..
Of course, that is a real wild guess....I am just a skeptic by nature when it comes to this sort of thing - "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me 7,963 times, shame on me" deal.. "New and Improved" - from big industry sources, most always translates as "a new conjob they have come up with and an improved way to keep sucking dollars out of your wallet"
30"? You think that's a big screen? Bah! Now THIS is a big screen.
Circumcision is child abuse.
We Mac users call it Dual Link DVI
No, the entire industry as well as the Digital Display Working Group, of which Apple is not a part, calls it (their design) Dual-link DVI. It is used any monitor with a resolution above 1920x1200 and I think it's been available on nVidia and ATI cards for a few generations.
No, Apple does not invent as much stuff as you'd like to think.
DVI was braindead from the start. The protocol limited connections to 1600x1200 (1920x1200 if you pushed it). Their solution to higher resolutions is dual link which suffered from a chicken and egg problem. With no monitors supporting it no video cards bothered to add support. With no video cards to drive them, nobody bothered creating monitors that would take advantage of dual link. Most video cards still don't bother to support it.
LCD technology scales up much more cost effectively than CRT did so with the advent of LCD, the economics of big screen displays were about to get much better. At the time LCDs started becoming popular, I was working on a 21" CRT at 1600x1200. Unfortunately, because of the limitations of single link DVI, while 24, 26 and 28" monitors may have been cost effective to create, interfacing them with a computer was impractical. Instead you see the abomination of people sitting in front of 2 smaller monitors. Apple finally broke the chicken and egg problem with their 30" Apple Cinema display. They built dual link into their entire product line in preparation for it's launch. Dell now sells a 30" LCD for PCs as well and finally the latest generation of ultra-high end video cards now mostly support dual link. With this hurdle overcome, DVI is finally set to become a good digital display standard.
From what I understand this new standard will be incapable of driving monitors at resolutions above what these 30" displays can do now. That's nice but DVI is there and prepared to surpass that. Why create a new standard that limits display size to a resolution that was reached a year before the standard is even released, especially when dual link support is finally taking hold and the original limitations of DVI are starting to melt away. While I would like to see DVI replaced with something smaller and more capable, this new standard seems even more short sighted as the original DVI standard to me (since they don't even provide a path to higher resolutions).
Make it support up to 42" displays (20gb/s) and you've got a standard that makes sense. Otherwise.. lets just stick with DVI.
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The question is, Will it work with Linux?
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In which case it's already almost obsolete, given I can't even run my 23" at full resolution within legal DVI specs. This would barely run Apple's existing 30" display.
Guess we know at least one reason Apple didn't sign on.
"Asatanaanadanaarandad"? I don't know what occult incantation is that, but it certainly sounds satanic.
"I seem to have mastered a certain amount of control over physical reality."
quoth the very tired tagline.. "whoever wins, we lose"
now you may mod me into oblivion =/
VLC FOR MAC IS DYING! IF YOU DEVELOP, PLEASE SAVE IT!!
Pretty much already done did that. I don't get any new media discs,well, a very few, I restrict my purchases now to used primarily or the severely marked down bargain bins, and those are around maybe 4 units per annum I give my GF as cheap gifts (she likes movies way more than I do). I only watch a very few selected shows on TV, and even those most irregularly, primarily I catch the local weather, and watch a few selected olympic sports when they come around and an occassional nature special or news special. In other words, not enough commercials exposure to matter really. Maybe catch around 4 movies a year on tape, usually just rainy day watch something I already have. Music-meh, stopped going to concerts around the time ticket prices were headed towards ten bucks a show, which will really date me now. Recorded music, about the same as vids now, maybe half a dozen a year used CDs, a little OTA fm music in the car. Downloads-zero, either vids or music, none. I read news and opinion on the net, and the rest of the time my "culture" consists of being outside and doing outside stuff, either working or playing around with my hobbies.
I am more concerned over the political ramifications of locked down hardware and software. I don't like them taking away the gadgeteer's factor, the tinkerer's drive, making being curious and innovative a *crime*. trashing your "fair use" as a regular joe to take a wrench to your machine and make it "yours". I don't code myself but I totally "get" what drives open source coders, and agree with it. I build my own systems from normal parts, and I am not looking forward to having to jump through engineering hoops to maintain parity with whatever "openness" we have in hardware now, and be looking over my shoulder the whole time. I don't like the fact that big media and big news is falling into fewer and fewer hands, and that government is now in the stealth news business as official..well, brainwashing is the word, as official brainwashing policy.
And so on. Even though an individual may be able to counter this or that threat to his freedom through personal leet skills, we all have to work together, pool resources, be relentless, and try to respect and help the other guy maintain HIS freedoms as well. We will either all win or all lose in this game, so it is better, IMO, to always fall on the side of openness and freedom. If that changes some "business models" in society, I don't care, society still marches on, and some business models might be needing some changing anyway. There is no "right" to perpetual profits at the expense of other's freedoms, and limiting technological advances to only certain very wealthy segments of society who can control the actual law making process or who set up cartels to force you into accepting what you know is counterproductive for the advancement of Humans is..well, it's just not very cool. "Treacherous Computing" is very well named in this respect. Just say NO.
From everything I have seen, as it stands now
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Displayport is compatible with No prior standard.
It does carry audio,and no royalties will be due
to anyone but the Big Deal is Big Business.It supports bidirectional "optional" encryption protection schemes. And No prior standard is supported.
Simply replace everything you own, from the content to the machine.
And... Your display will now have to approve of your content.
Another added level of complexity designed to make things not work, which will likely result in things that do not work.
This is called either Trusted or Protected.
Be very afraid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort
"DisplayPort" Could Introduce Protected Displays"
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,181396
DisplayPort: Because what we really needed was
another connector
http://www.hdbeat.com/2006/05/03/displayport-beca
Why bother making a standard support something that only 1% of people will use when they can just buy that extra $150 card
that supports the 3000x2000 42" res using some uber custom special dual/tripple dvi hybrid.
The problem is if a monitor requires a special custom video card and cable you have the chicken and egg problem again. The barrier to creating monitors bigger than 30" will be so high they won't be created at any price point unless/until there is a huge demand. Also, since such a system wouldn't be interoperable with most video cards on the market it's a bad purchasing option for most people and I wouldn't want to buy one.
The problem isn't the 1% that want to run a 32" monitor now, it's the 10% that would get one in 5 years if there were any on the market, but won't be.
And again.. why replace a standard with a new incompatible one that's less flexible and capable? If they were proposing this as the original DVI it sounds like it would have been a great standard, but we already have DVI.
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The problem isn't with the display size.
The problem is the fact that I can only have one display accelerated at a time. I purchased a second graphics card with its own accelerator to run my second display, thinking that this would get around the limitation -- but low and behold, on my P4-820 with 2GB of RAM, and an X800 XL + 9250, I still can't watch a DVD and play a DirectX game at the same time in full-motion. Or really do anything.
For a lot of people, the path to better computing is to add monitors -- it allows you to logically partition your work area spatially to a greater degree than just one monitor does. But if you can't do accelerated tasks on both monitors, you effectively only have 1 in a lot of situations.
That just doesn't cut it for me. Software rendering of DVDs, TV, videos, etc. all on my 2ndary display is not acceptable. But there's nothing I can do about it.