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Evolution of a 100% Free Software-Based Publisher

NewsForge (also owned by VA) has a quick and interesting look at the evolution of a 100% free software-based Italian publisher. From the article: "Today, Sovilla acknowledges that choosing a 100% free software workflow complicated his working life. He also notes, however, that a great part of his troubles came from an early start, at a time when programs such as Scribus weren't mature enough yet. Today, he says, the situation has improved considerably, and publishers who are willing to experiment with an alternative software platform can, and should, try it without fear."

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  1. Not surprising by Free+Bird · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Many of publisher's important tools, like TeX, are free software, so I'm not surprised you can build a complete workflow around them, although there will of course always be hurdles to take.

  2. Not 100% good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hear they don't provide source code for their books. The use some proprietary language called "Italian."

  3. That is possible now days.. by badran · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well today this is not a big deal... as you have almost all the tools that you may need OSed, but 10 years back it wasnt so dandy...

  4. Scribus & Other Open-Source Software by johnthorensen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He also notes, however, that a great part of his troubles came from an early start, at a time when programs such as Scribus weren't mature enough yet.

    This comment shows a little wishful thinking, IMO. I recently tried Scribus, and it's nowhere near mature. This is typical of a lot of open-source software I think; might work good enough for light 'hobbyist' use but nowhere close for real professional work. Probably because it's hobbyists writing the stuff for the most part.

    Another good example is Sodipodi/Inkscape. Lots of potential there, but I only used it for about an hour before I 'hit the wall' so to speak and became frustrated with its lack of capability.

    Not a dig on open-source, just an observation...

    1. Re:Scribus & Other Open-Source Software by unavailable · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Next time you try out an opensource app and find its features below your standards, go compose a detailed wishlist, with proper argumentation and detailed description for every missing feature.

      Nobody is asking for patches, but some feedback from professionals is always appreciated. Implementation hints are also welcomed, even if you are not a programmer.

    2. Re:Scribus & Other Open-Source Software by scribusdocs · · Score: 3, Informative

      Some questions:

      Did you use the latest version ?

      Define "immature" ?

      What is your professional qualifications to make such a judgement ?

      I will just point some relevant links:

      The "hobbyists" - NOT: The Scribus Team bios. There are a handful of people who are involved with Scribus who have extensive experience in publishing, pre-press and image engineering among others.

      Capabilities: Scribus Specs

      (In the users words) Success Stories: http://wiki.scribus.net/index.php/Success_stories

      Made with Scribus

      Press Reviews

      Despite the naysayers, there is a growing interest from publishers both large and small in open source software - not just the back-end server stuff, but yes even the desktop tools... Things like the overwhelming success of events like www.libregraphicsmeeting.org and the open sourcing of Xara are concrete signals the arrival of open source what was once strictly proprietary domain.

    3. Re:Scribus & Other Open-Source Software by johnthorensen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Some questions:

      Did you use the latest version ?

      Yes. Note that I used the word "recently" to describe when I tried it out. I tried Scribus 1.3.3.1 on both Windows and Linux.


      Define "immature" ?
      Not having many features that most professionals take for granted. Palette windows that don't resize correctly and other goofy UI bugs. Lack of solid, professionally written documentation. No text box margins. Broken PDF exporter. Broken PostScript importer. Opening even moderately-sized documents takes forever. Would you like me to continue?

      Scribus is admittedly usable for some projects but it's not yet qualified to be a mission-critical application. I certainly wouldn't stake MY job on it.


      What is your professional qualifications to make such a judgement ?
      Besides knowing how to conjugate the verb "to be" you mean? How about 10 years as a graphic designer? That enough for you??? That sort of accusatory question really grates on me, and doesn't exactly invite me to come over to Scribus.

      Incidentally, the Scribus bios make my point nicely. I see a lot of things like "DTP/IT Consultant", "pre-press and software engineer", et cetera but I don't see much in the way of experienced designers. Scribus is what you get when engineers try to design software; typical of most open-source applications.

  5. It would have been nice by Arker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It would have been nice if the article had given some information on the advantages a 100% free software solution gave him. Obviously the article is on NewsForge and aimed mostly at folks that already know, but I'm picturing someone from the 'mainstream' reading this and coming away baffled - why did he put himself through all this trouble for no gain?

    Of course there are tremendous gains there, the article just focuses on the problems, assuming the readers already know the advantages. They may not be so obvious to some readers, however.

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    1. Re:It would have been nice by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Looking at the book that's available for download, the entire "layout/desktop publishing" aspect of it is incredibly pedestrian. He essentially set it to full justification and that's about it. No adjustments were made with regard to hyphenation. Page numbering is centered and there is no gutter. What he's done is some word processing on a 4.5x8 inch page.

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    2. Re:It would have been nice by pnot · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, it's hideous. He's used OpenOffice.org as a typesetting tool. The quotes aren't even sexed . A great shame that he decided to use a word processing package for typesetting, when there are excellent open source typesetting packages out there (TeX, Groff, and Basser Lout, for example). This kind of approach really isn't going to make many inroads into the publishing industry: the results look godawful.

      By way of comparison, I have before me a copy of sed & awk (Dougherty & Robbins, O'Reilly Press, 2nd ed., 1997). It tells me that "Text was prepared in SGML using the DocBook 2.1 DTD. The print version of this book was created by translating the SGML source into a set of gtroff macros using a filter developed at ORA by Norman Walsh. Steve Talbott designed and wrote the underlying macro set on the basis of the GNU troff -gs macros; Lenny Muellner adapted them to SGML and implemented the book design. The GNU groff text formatter version 1.09 was used to generate PostScript output."

      And that was NINE YEARS ago (though the first edition was in 1990, and I'm guessing it was typeset similarly). If nine years' progress in publishing with free software consists of replacing that stack (and its beautiful output) with OOo, something is very wrong.

  6. There is such a thing as pragmatism... by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even the OSS advocate/comic writer Illiad admitted to not using GIMP and he had an amusing little comic last week or so explaining some of his reasons. Commercial software isn't necessarily evil, it is a different development method. If the tools fit, use them. If you can use OSS, then good for you! Not everyone can do that, and I think it is good that OSS advocates admit what the stumbling blocks are. The hurdles show where the developers can improve the software.

    1. Re:There is such a thing as pragmatism... by Bert64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Image editing is one area where proprietary software doesn't suck...
      There are standardised image formats, regardless of what software you use. Proprietary image editing software doesn't keep you locked in to it's own formats, so publishers of such software have to compete on product quality rather than relying on you being forced to keep buying their latest versions.

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    2. Re:There is such a thing as pragmatism... by online-shopper · · Score: 3, Informative

      UF is a great comic, but I'm not sure if illiad knows that Gimp has a CMYK plugin. the site claims its only rudimentary support, but it is a start.
      http://www.blackfiveservices.co.uk/separate.shtml

    3. Re:There is such a thing as pragmatism... by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Commercial software isn't necessarily evil, it is a different development method.

      And most of all, it's the #1 method to get stuff developed where there's more money than "scratch an itch" developers. Granted, there's some commercial OSS developers too, but for the most part closed source is dominating in areas like:

      • Create software for newbies, where if you can develop it yourself you're pretty much disqualified from needing/wanting/liking that tool.
      • Create software for specialized user groups where there's just too few OSS developers to get a usable tool off the ground.
      • Create software that only corporations need, which are typically really dull. And as companies go, they don't like OSS because they're in a competition. If you and I both have a great office suit, great. If my company and the competing company both have an excellent logistics system, not so good.
      • Once-off applications such as games, where you pull something together, release it, people use it, then shelf it. There's some classics that "live forever" though. Another good example would be tax software.
      • Applications with serious server-side resources, such as MMORPGs.

      I don't think OSS will be able to adapt to every possible form of software development. In fact, I would be happy if it could corner the market for "basic" desktop use, so that commercial software would get written for the Linux platform. For me personally Oblivion is right now (and other games to come) a huge hook to Windows, and I don't see OSS developing anything like it any time soon.
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    4. Re:There is such a thing as pragmatism... by njh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      WTF does CMYK have to do with a low resolution web comic of dubious artistic talent? It sounds more like Illiad is just looking for an excuse. I've seen some damn fine comics drawn in inkscape by real artists.

    5. Re:There is such a thing as pragmatism... by Chris_Jefferson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If it was an important part of your job, would you want "rudimentary support"?

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  7. Did you know? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Italian is an OO version of Latin and you can overload most methods in Italian by waving your hands about wildly.

  8. Re:nothing to fear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, when you're building a business around these workflows, is it better to go with a proprietary solution that's known to work, or is it better to go with something that will eventually work, providing you put a lot of effort into it to make it work? In the end, yes, both work. But when money and time are on the line (as is the case with a business), you generally tend to go with the one that's been proven to work time and time again. I'm not dissing OSS here, I'm just explaining the rationale as it currently stands. As more companies build themselves around FOSS solutions, they'll make more inroads into various corporate worlds. This has already shown itself to be the case regarding server software. Publishing, as in the example, still has a ways to go, however.

  9. Re:nothing to fear... by heinousjay · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Simply dismissing it as fear is the zealot's cop-out, since (almost by definition) a zealot considers his opinions to be objective fact, and he needs to rationalize why other people don't see it that way.

    Personally, I've noticed simple preference to be why people would ignore a given FOSS package. It's not hard to see how that works - FOSS packages tend to be designed using baroque interface methods that are preferred only by hardcore 'elite' types who like to lord their 'mastery' over others. The general population likes the consistency and ease that tends to be available in propietary software. The mish-mash of different implementation metaphors and the domination of command line interfaces in the FOSS world just turns a lot of people off.

    Sorry this turned into a rant. I just can't let something so simple-minded stand. Personally, I like FOSS and I use it in my work and personal life. I just know I'm an exception.

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  10. Actually... by WilliamSChips · · Score: 5, Funny

    Latin is open source as well, it has many forks such as Spanish, French, and Italian, and even has parts of its code present in English. Latin included many innovative features, such as the ablative case. You could do almost *anything* with that. A pity all the modern languages find ablative "too hard for newbies" and no longer include it.

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    1. Re:Actually... by menace3society · · Score: 3, Funny

      Feh, I have more cases than you've had years of schooling.

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  11. GIMP! by christurkel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only exceptions were the manual checks and corrections needed to work around the absence of direct four-color management in the GIMP
    Welcome to the world of a fustrated GIMP user. How long has this been a "must have" feature that hasn't happened?

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    1. Re:GIMP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Short answer: Because printers don't use red, green, and blue ink and ink on paper is not an additive color model. The colors used for printing are cyan, magenta, yellow, and black, in a subtractive color model. The visible spectra the the two models produce is different, which means that sending RGB values to a CMYK printer usually results in the colors being off.

    2. Re:GIMP! by charlievarrick · · Score: 4, Informative

      Process color offset lithography (used for the vast majority of commercial printing) is a 4 color, CMYK (Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, Black) process.
      The RIPs (Raster Image Processors) that produce, proofs, film, or plates expect (in many instances require) images to be in the CMYK colorspace (four 8-bit channels). So, lack of robust CMYK support makes the GIMP largely useless in a print production environment.

    3. Re:GIMP! by nagora · · Score: 4, Informative
      Anyone can explain me why the four color management is so important?

      Bottom line is: RGB is additive, ie you start with black and add light to get the mix you want. Paper is reflective and so you start with white sunlight and subtract colours to get the mix you want. Thus cyan absorbs Red, magenta absorbs Green and yellow absorbs Blue - the opposite of RGB. Theoretically you could get black by mixing CMY but in reality making the primary colours accurate enough to do that is impossible and black is added to the system to make things easier.

      This all means that there are colours you can see on an RGB monitor which are impossible to show with CMYK (not difficult - impossible) and vice-versa. CMYK is not the ultimate either, due to the same imperfections of the primary colours that make black impossible, and something like 60% of Pantone colours can not be shown using CMYK.

      So, converting from RGB to CMYK can be tricky and causes some surprises to the unwary when they get a colour proof back and discover that their nice shade of deep green has come out bluish. Since printing is mostly in CMYK, this means that you need some form of colour management system to warn you if your colours are going "out of gamut" and to automatically adjust others to look right on paper.

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    4. Re:GIMP! by charlievarrick · · Score: 3, Informative
      The screen will not be able to express that color with a given cmyk, and they will look different...

      Actually RGB is a wider gamma than CMYK, any CMYK color can be accurately represented in RGB but not vice-versa.

      In the old days, image editing/retouching for print often involved performing operations on specific channels to achieve specific effects (ie adjusting the levels of the magenta channel to remove a color cast in the shadow tones or whatever).
      Also, in the old days, your source digital image came from a drum scanner which generally produced a CMYK image.
      With increasing acceptance of CCD flat-bed scanners and even digital photography, high end print production is gradually moving to a RGB workflow, at least for image editing/retouching.
      Still, every time an image is proofed or printed, it needs to be converted to CMYK. Depending on the environment, this can done by applying a "profile" in Photoshop or many RIPs now support "color management" which is sort of broad term which aims to convert images to the appropriate color space on the fly using device profiles.

      As other posters have noted, lack of CMYK support, while a glaring problem, is really just the tip of the iceberg when considering the GIMP for professional use.

  12. One Man Publishing House Uses OSS Only! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Stop the presses!!!!

    Come on, give me a break. This is a one man show publishing pamphlets that he calls books.

    When O'Reilly goes 100% OSS, I'll be impressed and interested. When Doubleday goes 100% OSS I'll be flabbergasted. This one man show? Yawn!!!!

  13. Publishers Using Tech by evought · · Score: 4, Informative

    Addison Wesley for one. The American Mathematical Society for another. It is still used for technical content, though DocBook is making inroads, too. Its clean separation of content and layout makes it ideal in many places where frequent layout changes are made and conventional DTP applications are nightmares. Since LaTeX directly generates typesetting formats (e.g. Postscript, DVI), it is not much harder for them.

    I know that Andy Hunt and Dave Thomas have used LaTeX for every one of their books. They have some home-grown macros to make compiling and checking the example code automatic. This just cannot be done with Word or FrameMaker and is critical for eliminating copy errors.

    For papers or books where the content is quite complex

  14. Calling this guy a 'Publisher' is stretching it by Qbertino · · Score: 4, Informative

    Calling this guy a publisher is stretching it a little, imho. The website looks somewhat shoddy and homegrown.

    There are other publishers using OSS exclusively that deserve the term. For instance T3N, a regular german magazin on Typo3 uses the CMS Typo3 as publishing tool. They generate the digital prints by Typo3 driven PDF generation. And the bi-monthly 80 Page magazin - available at every larger Newspaper dealer - , albeight having a slightly 'technical' 2-column layout, is a full-blown professional publication, and not just some fanzine. That's what I call OSS driven publishing.

    Oh, and, btw, if your wondering why in heavens name someone would have the wacky idea to publish a magazin on Typo3 like others publish magazines on, let's say, PHP or Java, you might be interested to hear that T3N is just in it's 3rd issue and is growing *fast* and steep in print run volume. That is because in Germany _*EVERYBODY*_ uses Typo3. Everybody. Which is unfortunate for me because I'm trying to make a living in Germany doing web developement and don't like T3 that much. ... Ah, well, it's open source, so it's not that bad. Allthough I'm beginning to suspect that Typo3 is some brigdehead for a Danish Invasion of Germany of some sort. I recall we had some kind of war something like 110 years ago or so. Must be that there's still some stuff not settled yet. And Kaspar Skarhoj probably is some secrect agent of the danish crown. :-)

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