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Apple vs Apple -- Judgment Day

DaphneDiane writes "According to the Times Online Apple Computer successfully defended themselves vs the suit brought by Apple Corps." If you are looking for background on the case we had talked about it earlier. I'm just relieved that the battle of two bazillion dollar companies turned out well. Phew. And, of course, Apple Corp has filed an appeal already.

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  1. If I were Apple Corp... by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 1, Troll
    From the article:
    But Lord Grabiner, QC, for Apple Computer, countered that "only a moron in a hurry" could confuse his client's download system - which, he said, was basically transmitting data - with a record label.
    If I were Apple Corp, I would start selling the new "Apple Macintosh" online. After all, "only a moron in a hurry" could confuse a coat with a computer company.

    There's no way Apple computers would sue. After all - they're never lawyer trigger happy.
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    1. Re:If I were Apple Corp... by oliverthered · · Score: 0, Troll

      They should setup a shop front for dell with Apple branding all over the place, call it aMacs and then see what Apple computers do.

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    2. Re:If I were Apple Corp... by Ilgaz · · Score: 0, Troll

      This is somewhat horrible smoke of fanboyism and zealotry attached to every story having "Apple" name on it.

      Don't even bother to try.

      Worst can happen: Some company finds a horrible, horrible problem on OS X , as every security story attacked and companies getting names as "snake oil seller", they decide to keep it to themselves and silently report to Apple.

      Apple does not care (Read: SANS/Secunia).

      Information gets leaked to black hats.

      Next day we can't watch TV or read Newspaper since Macintoshes are running in very key parts of media without protection as "nothing can touch them"

      This is what I am afraid as a guy purchased a quad G5 from them recently. This kind of zealotry/fanboy stuff forcing me to post with "karma bonus" to keep the message around since a fanboy can get /. moderator points.

  2. Turned out "well?" by eldavojohn · · Score: -1, Troll
    I'm just relieved that the battle of two bazillion dollar companies turned out well. Phew.
    I hope that was sarcasm although it does not convey well over the internet. I'm guessing you either mean that you really didn't care about this case or that you are a genuine fan of Apple (computers) instead of Apple (albums). Either way, that was a peculiar use of the word 'well.'

    When two powerful companies go head to head, I'm rarely rooting for either of them as they usually have unlimited funds. If you would have considered a huge settlement or the lawsuit being carried out "bad" then I must wonder why you allow the laws that create these lawsuits to remain in the first place.

    I enjoy The Beatles' music but I could honestly care less about their merchandising and music publisher. In fact, I would wager that the material aspects of their lives and the selling of their works are what in the end ruined them. For that reason, I dislike Apple Corps.

    I enjoy the fact that OSX has Bourne-Again SHell (BASH) capabilities (correct me if I'm wrong) although I hate their pricing and closed machine mentality--though that may change with x86 architecture. If I want to slap another stick of RAM into my machine, I should be able to without being a licensed Apple technician.

    In the end, I suffer the naïve shortcomings of one who has to believe in the justice system. Most countries in the world have laws against breaching restricted agreements. Which is what Apple is charging Apple of doing. I found this excerpt from an article of the original coverage of this case:
    It is the third time the two well-known brands have been to court over the computer company's use of the Apple name.

    The first dispute was resolved in 1981, when Apple Computer agreed to pay an undisclosed amount to Apple Corps, and Steve Jobs, head of the computer firm, agreed to restrict the use of the brand he founded to computer products only. Jobs is a Beatles fan -- but has never had the rights to sell the band's music on iTunes.

    In 1989, Apple Corps again sued Apple Computer, this time over the company's use and sale of music-related software. The case settled in 1991 with a payment of $27m and another restrictive agreement.

    However, in September 2003, Apple Corps filed suit again, over "the use by Apple Computer of the word 'Apple' and apple logos in conjunction with its new application for downloading pre-recorded music from the internet".

    That new application -- iTunes -- has now sold over a billion downloads.

    Apple Corps argues that iTunes is in breach of the restrictive agreement between the two companies and infringes upon its trademarks. Apple Computer argues that iTunes is a mechanism allowing "data transmission" and that downloads are permitted in terms of the agreement as they are "data transfers", according to reports.
    This was a valid case and was brought to court, the result was decided and I'm happy that the justice system "works." I would argue that we take this in as unbiased a manner as possible, the case turned out neither 'well' nor 'ill' and would have been just the same to me if the prosecution had won. I think that the former settlements show that Apple Computers knows they are at fault for use of this name. I also think they knew that they did not violate their prior agreements and the court also agreed with them.

    If you hate the laws, spend your lives trying to get them changed. Do not hate the companies that use the laws in their favor, hate the government that enforces the laws. I maintain my trust in the system of courts and therefore any case in which a decision is made is just as 'well' for me as if the opposite decision had been found.
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    1. Re:Turned out "well?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      Actually, there may be a bit of truth to the statement. My old roomate had a G4 (I don't know which model) back in 2000. His CD drive failed so we went the 20 or so blocks to the Apple store so he could get a replacement. They flat refused to sell him a new drive without him bringing the machine in so they could install it saying that in order for his warranty to remain valid they had to send the failed drive back to Apple for testing. He asked what would happen if he bought a 3rd party drive and replaced it himself and was told that his warranty would be voided and he could be subject to up to $20,000 in fines for violating his "customer agreement". We were then asked by the manager to leave the store if we weren't planning on buying anything. He still buys Apple faithfully, I have no idea why. Yes, he let them do the repair. They charged him close to $1000 to do it too.

  3. Re:let's face facts by 91degrees · · Score: -1, Troll

    and too stupid to figure out how to turn on a computer.

    I thought that was most mac users.

  4. Re:Story Update: Apple Corp issues statemnt! by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 0, Troll

    "We can still squeeze some blood from this stone! We have to! Ringo needs a new mansion!"

    Exactly what I was thinking - it's not like this is two multi-national corporations squabbling about a 15 year old deal.

    Steve needs the money to make cool new things for whiney mac fanbois to play with. Ringo & Paul will just waste it (and are rich enough already).

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  5. Re:Story Update: Apple Corp issues statemnt! by IdleTime · · Score: 0, Troll

    Your sudden concern about Ringos fortune is just ridiculous when the computer Apple has been suing people in a pace only rivaled by F1 cars. And as far as I know, Apple (the record company) was started way before Apple (the computer company), so in all fairness, the computer Apple should have given up all commercial use of the name Apple. If not, then I guess I'm in my right to start a new company called Apple which will *drumroll* grow and sell apples! I'm sure computer Apple will not sue me for that when they themselves have stolen the name Apple.

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  6. Re:Story Update: Apple Corp issues statemnt! by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 0, Troll

    Newsflash: I don't care one bit about Apple Computers.

    OK, then just Spaz Attack!

    As in you got very hyper about what is basically a routine corporate legal matter that just happens to involve a company beloved by many fanboys.

    And that relevant... how, exactly? Is this a case of "Apple Computer acts like a bunch of assholes now and then, therefore this lawsuit against them was justified!"?

    IMO, the lawsuit was justified on merits. But Apple does have a double-standard about trademarks -- they push the line on everyone else's (UNIX, Apple Corp, TigerDirect), but are very aggressive about defending their own. AppleCorp is not acting any differently than Apple Computer would in a similar situation.

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  7. When I was born on 12/8/80... by AriaStar · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...so much greatness came into this world that the gods decided to take out John Lennon just a few hours later via some insane nutjob to keep the greatness-meter in balance.