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First Ever Wild Grizzly/Polar Hybrid Shot

tavilach writes "Jim Martell has a license to hunt polar bears, but when his latest kill had "white fur [that] was spotted brown and it had the long claws and slightly humped back of a grizzly," officials seized the body in order to conduct DNA tests. These tests confirm that the dead bear had a polar bear mother and grizzly father, the first documented grizzly-polar hybrid in the wild. This was lucky for Jim, who was facing a fine and jail time for possibly killing a grizzly. Scientists who would have liked to study the bear are not so lucky."

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  1. Re:Was it a mule? by RsG · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "If the two types of bear can mate and produce fertile offspring, then
    they are really the same species."

    Nah, different species can interbreed and produce fertile offspring. Look up "ring species" for examples where A can breed with B, and B can breed with C but C cannot breed with A.

    Mostly this reflects the fact that the term "species" is a fairly arbitrary distinction that goes back before our understanding of evolution.

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  2. Re:Was it a mule? by lubricated · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the two types of bear can mate and produce fertile offspring, then
    they are really the same species.

    That's really an older view of things. There are many animals that are concidered different species even though a fertile rare hybrid appears. The most obvious is wolves, coyotes and dogs. But also different species of abalone, cicklids(sp?) are other examples. Biologists have a hard time defining on what exactly makes a species, because horizontal gene transfer among what are considered species happens surprisingly often.

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  3. Pathetic that this animal was shot... by Entropius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So it's apparently legal to shoot polar bears in Canada, despite the fact that they're considered one of the animals facing increasing threats in the future from withdrawing sea ice?

    And it's also legal to shoot a half-grizzly, even though shooting grizzlies is illegal?

    What a waste of a magnificent (and apparently rare) animal. I'm probably one of the more pro-hunting folk around here; I grew up eating deer and gamebirds shot by my father, and have a bunch of respect for people who know how to turn a shotgun shell or rifle bullet into dinner. But these wealthy big-game trophy hunters, who look for rare and wondrous animals only to shoot them and turn them into rugs or wall ornaments, make me sick.

    Imagine if some guy wandering around the Antarctic finds a meteorite with evidence of Martian life in it, and whacks it with a sledgehammer...

    1. Re:Pathetic that this animal was shot... by MagikSlinger · · Score: 2, Insightful
      So it's apparently legal to shoot polar bears in Canada, despite the fact that they're considered one of the animals facing increasing threats in the future from withdrawing sea ice?

      Polar Bears around that area are so numerous they're getting to be a big problem and they have to be culled. Mostly because Polars like to supplement their diet of seals, fish and walrus with fresh dump pickings. I've heard stories of smoldering polar bears wandering through the dump at Churchil Manitoba.

      And it's also legal to shoot a half-grizzly, even though shooting grizzlies is illegal?

      Apparently. But I guess the F&W folks felt it was sufficiently polar bear to count as a polar bear.

      What a waste of a magnificent (and apparently rare) animal.

      Understandable, but from TFA, they've created the exact same hybrid in captivity and even gotten them to breed. Which, to me, completely goes against the definition of species I learned in school. Go figure.

      But these wealthy big-game trophy hunters, who look for rare and wondrous animals only to shoot them and turn them into rugs or wall ornaments, make me sick.

      Yeah, but since Jimmy the Toucan went out of business, what else are you going to do with them? :-)

      Imagine if some guy wandering around the Antarctic finds a meteorite with evidence of Martian life in it, and whacks it with a sledgehammer...

      As I understand it, that's what scientist do until they find out AFTER they whacked it open. :-)

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    2. Re:Pathetic that this animal was shot... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indeed. And polar bears are huntable because they're in rifle range.

    3. Re:Pathetic that this animal was shot... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Naw, he's just trying to hit a few extra buttons by bringing class warfare into it. That's how political agitators 'build coalitions around issues.' It's how Marxists in the 21st century manage to draw people to rallies. (i.e. International A.N.S.W.E.R.)

    4. Re:Pathetic that this animal was shot... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wealth only came into it because 1) this guy was wealthy, as he would have to be to buy the tag to shoot the bear and 2) only wealthy people have the time to waste to travel to far away locations just to shoot things to bring back as souvenirs.

      You apparently didn't "hear" the real distinction, which was people who shoot things to make dinner versus people who shoot things to make decorations for their den.

      I have family who hunts for sport -- as in they don't need to hunt in order to eat -- and likes a good trophy, but they also get a year's supply of venison out of the deal. That, to me, makes all the difference between connecting with our hunter past and killing things to feel like a big shot.

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  4. trophy "hunters" by loomis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This was previously discussed at another forum yesterday, and the general consensus was what a complete travesty it is that this animal was killed by a "trophy hunter."

    Interestingly, the people who were most offended were other hunters. Not trophy hunters, but those who hunt legally as a means to control herd populations and to feed their families. In my experince, standard hunters aren't so inexperienced and quick to shoot at anything that moves than a normal hunter. I mean you've got to get somethingto show for your 45K right?

    And now, because this "hunter" didn't know the value of this animal, it is dead before it could be studied further and / or protected.

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  5. Re:Slashdot FUD by djchristensen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nowhere in the article does it say anyone wanted to study the carcass. They've crossbred polar and grizzly bears in captivity before, I'm sure they have all the data they want from those experiments.

    You've got it exactly backwards. Sure, no one is interested in studying the carcass, because they've done all they need on captive hybrids. But I bet there are plenty of scientists who would love to get the chance to radio-tag a live one and follow it around in the wild for a while. Does it behave like a grizzly or a polar bear? Does it get along with others of either type of bear? And many more questions.

    A dead bear tells no tales that haven't already been heard. A living bear would be intensely interesting to the scientific community.

  6. A reasonable altyernative by mangu · · Score: 2, Insightful
    polar bears are huntable in the arctic at least in part because they eat people.


    Then why not make the areas where polar bears live off-limits to humans? We inhabit every single part of the Earth, why not leave some space for other animals? If an animal species is being driven to extintcion due to habitat encroachment by humans, then it's only reasonable that humans stay off that species' natural habitat.


    IMHO, a polar bear is justified in killing a human because it's in his nature, but a human is supposed to be "rational", which means, logical reasoning should prevail over his instinct to kill.

  7. there's more, you know by DemiKnute · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Scientists who would have liked to study the bear are not so lucky.

    Maybe the scientists who would have liked to study a grizzly/polar mix should go to a zoo, where they already exist, as mentioned in the article. I think that would be a lot easier.

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  8. Re:Canadian Polar Bear Hunt by yankpop · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I expect that the amount of money polar bear hunting brings to the Canadian economy is trivial. However, it is far from trivial for the native communities involved. And given all that the Canadian government has imposed on the Inuit, I think it's a good thing that they've allowed them to make their own decisions in at least this one aspect of managing their resources.

    If I recall correctly, Scotland (could've been another north Atlantic country, my undergrad is a long ways back now) adopted a similar policy with respect to their salmon fishery, ie. limiting the number of tags available to locals to take advantage of the much greater return available by catering to rich overseas fishermen. Again, I think it's a responsible decision: given that an animal is going to die, is it better that it feeds a few people directly, or many people through the sale of a much sought-after tag?

    Of course, not everyone agrees with this. That's why some Inuit communities don't sell any tags to outsiders.

    yp.

  9. Re:Canadian Polar Bear Hunt by ElMiguel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To restate my point, if you allow Inuit communities to trade their "polar bear tags" for money it means that polar bear hunting is nothing but an economic subsidy.

    Given that polar bears are now considered an endangered species, that makes a big difference.

    I don't know Inuit traditions, but it is possible that the role of a polar bear is irreplaceable in some of them. If that is the case, I can understand the argument for allowing some hunting, even if I may not agree.

    However, if hunting is just intended as a money making resource, then it is just looks completely irresponsible on the government's part. I'm sure the Canadian government can think of other ways of making money that do not involve hunting endangered species.