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What's the Secret Sauce in Ruby on Rails?

An anonymous reader writes "Ruby on Rails seems to be a lightning rod for controversy. At the heart of most of the controversy lies amazing productivity claims. Rails isn't a better hammer; it's a different kind of tool. This article explores the compromises and design decisions that went into making Rails so productive within its niche."

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  1. It's Ruby by LABob · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've only used Rails a bit, but I've used Ruby a lot. It's by far the most flexible language I've ever used. It allows programmers to modify the most fundmental aspects of the language. Some argue this is a bad thing, and it may be. However, having the freedom to do that is very empowering. Don't get me wrong, other OO scripting languages are great too... Python for example. And, they share many concepts with Ruby. The things that make Ruby stand out (to me) are the ease of modification and syntax flexibility. IMO, Ruby is a wonderul toolkit that will allow one to build most anything, even more specialized tools like Rails.

  2. That or TurboGears. by cduffy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    (Django has been in use on high-volume production websites longer than Rails has existed, incidentally -- something which might be worthwhile when bringing it up in this kind of context).

    After evaluating Rails and Django, my company ended up going with TurboGears for some of our toolage (our main product is a Java Servlet-based application, and that's not changing). The reasons:

    • Rails and Django are very tightly integrated -- whereas with TurboGears the toolkit is loose enough that one can easily pull just one piece out for a project which doesn't need the framework as a whole. Our department does a lot of small and varied projects (many of which aren't webapps but which still could use an XML-based template engine or a simple OR mapper or a simple servlet-like API for handling requests independent of any content generation), so this was important to us.
    • We have more people in-house who know Python than Ruby.
    • TurboGears appears to be under more active development than Django.

    The opposing reasons:

    • Django and Rails have more high-volume production sites using them.
    • The OR mapper used by TurboGears, SQLObject, lacks some functionality and useful design attributes provided by others. This doesn't impact us for our little in-house projects, and is less relevant now that TurboGears 0.9 is adding support for using SQLAlchemy as an alternative to SQLObject.

    Anyhow -- Rails is nifty. Django is nifty. TurboGears is nifty. Quite likely all three of them have a place; I'd just like to urge people not to get so caught up in the hype over Rails that they forego evaluating other options.

  3. Rabid IP Hoarders and their Sauces by nead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It really is tiresome to see people constantly ask "what's the special sauce" when in many instances it is clearly "nothing".

    Sometimes good people use good methods to build well conceived applications that work precisely as their audience expects they should. Because these well-formed applications do not fail randomly, scale well and are easily supported marketing and business types presume that there absolutely must be something patentable in the mix.

    One of the reasons I loath the term "Web 2.0" is because people presume there is some new wave of innovation occuring in application development when every Slashdot reader know's this isn't true.

    Technologies mature, standards mature and hopefully people mature. The result is better software, not an abundance of new and novel special sauces.

  4. Ruby is slow by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When it comes to Ruby, I have one wish:

    Compile it. For the love of God and all that is holy, Ruby is at least as slow as JavaScript, if not slower -- at least you can compile JavaScript into Java!

    Perl6 shows some promise in that area, but I have some serious doubts. Ruby, as a language, does far too many things that simply assume it's a "scripting" language. For instance, it's possible to modify any class at runtime -- thus many core libraries probably rely on that feature. Also, all names in Ruby are kept around at runtime. I'm pretty sure that it actually is doing a hash lookup every time. For instance:

    irb(main):026:0> class Fixnum
    irb(main):027:1> def method_missing (name, *args )
    irb(main):028:2> print 'Attempt to call '
    irb(main):029:2> puts name
    irb(main):030:2> end
    irb(main):031:1> end
    => nil
    irb(main):032:0> 5.foo
    Attempt to call foo
    => nil
    irb(main):033:0>

    I'm sure that someone will find a much simpler / more efficient way of doing the above, but the point is the same. Obviously, whenever Ruby executes code that attempts to call '5.foo', or even '5 + 5' (which becomes something like 5.+(5)), it actually stores the code for the call as a call to a given name, and then looks up that name at runtime.

    Now, good OO design generally involves making lots and lots of small classes, and even the bigger classes will have lots and lots of small methods. Good programming design in general tells us to refactor mercilessly, which will, in any language, tend to reduce the amount of code per method and increase the number of method calls. And even if you go the other way, and don't use any methods at all, the simplest line in Ruby (since it's a pure OO language) will break down into 5 or 10 method calls, at the very least.

    What all this means is, Ruby is back to that old argument of developer time vs. application run time, and I hate that. I really love it when we can break out of that mold -- when we find that, most of the time, a compiler will produce better code than handcoded assembly, or a language-based garbage collector can actually run as fast or faster than a hand-coded, application specific refcounting scheme. Or when we find that Java, despite being bytecode, will, once you JIT it, run as fast or faster than equivalent C++. Or when we find that mod_perl can be close enough to the speed of a C program that it's not even worth considering using C instead.

    But when it comes to choosing a language, they all have their performance wrinkles. C++ probably uses more memory than C, and always seems to take far longer to compile. Perl isn't anywhere near as fast as C, so whenever we find something where we need that extra speed, we rewrite chunks of a Perl module in C. Python is the same way, though Psyco looks promising, but Psyco is also x86 only, not even amd64. Java is as fast as anything, once a program starts, which takes far longer than anything else even if you've gcj'd it -- plus, the language sucks compared to Ruby. C# is as fast as Java, and so far seems to load much faster, but the language sucks (really a rehash of Java/C++), IronPython is nowhere near done, and even IronPython isn't as nice as Ruby -- plus, the platform is controlled by Microsoft.

    Ruby has absolutely awesome syntax, can be 10x faster to develop in than most other languages, but due to the language design itself, it will always be much, much slower than Perl, and that's saying something. And it's just depressing when you find you can make a chunk of your program run 10x faster by porting from Ruby to C, only it will take 50x more code.

    I guess what would make me happy is an insanely intelligent compiler for Ruby, that targeted the .net environment. Performance comparable to C#, developer time comparable to normal Ruby, bytecode obfuscated enough to use in commercial products.

    But that's depressing, too, because in the amount of time it would take me to learn enough about Ruby and .net to do that, not to mention the programming of that insane compiler, I could write hundreds of useful Ruby programs.

    --
    Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
  5. Re:Relentlessly applying best practices by I+Like+Pudding · · Score: 5, Insightful

    AJAX is based on technologies with extremely poor design and implementation, such as browsers, JavaScript, and HTML (poorly designed for this application, perfectly ok for marking up documents)

    The only part of that I'll give you is the poor IE implementation of CSS. Browsers' main problem lies in their non-compliance with standards. Solution: test in multiple browsers. WOW, THAT WAS HARD. Next up: JavaScript. Poor design? I was shocked at how powerful the language is when I finally started digging into it after years of avoidance. Poor imlpementation? Not really - just many different implementations. Of course, this can and has already been worked around with libs that abstract the differences away for you. HTML? It still is used as a basic markup language, with all the heavy lifting being pushed into the CSS. Now, CSS is nowhere near perfect, but it does function admirably in the scope of AJAX (when not using IE's broken ass implementation).

    Rails takes lessons learned from a decade of server-side Web development, as well as the catastrophe that has become J2EE through over-engineering, and simplifies it to the essential mechanisms.

    I half-agree. You imply a minimalism that isn't present. The framework is quite complicated in places and does a lot of tricky things. You see, programming with just the essential mechanisms sucks; you've gone back to CGI.pm. What Rails does is provide a massive lever with which to move your problem. The Actual Work Done Per Line of Code metric exceeds any other framework I have used before. Code efficiency is the watchword, not simplicity.

    Built on top of Ruby, which is itself a pretty thin simplification wrapper over C++,

    No it isn't. Ruby's implementation is a big, slow VM that doesn't act much like C++ at all. Really, the poor performance is the only thing I dont like about the language.

    it combines the simplification of Web site development best practices (MVC, proper tiers, etc.) with the power of an high level development language overlaid directly on top of a low level near-assembly language, with the ability to perforate the abstraction layer (first through modifying Rails source in Ruby, then through C extensions) if needed for performance or other reasons.

    That sounds like marketroid speak, and is about 3/4ths BS. Perforate the abstraction layer? Jesus. And just who is running around writing C++ extensions for web apps? Almost nobody. Takes too damn long, and isn't as safe as running through the VM.

    Short, brutal version: AJAX built on crap by script kiddies, Rails on bedrock by software engineers.

    DHH is something closer to a hacker, not to mention the fact that rails utilizes AJAX and, more generally, javascript all over the place. Does that make AJAX apps built on top Rails rock? Or does all that terrible, awful AJAX stuff diminish Rails? Maybe they, I don't know, utilise the same foundation technologies and standards and complement each other quite nicely? Maybe you are an idiot?

  6. 5 to 10x more productive than Java? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If you know java, I simply find that hard to believe. If you don't know it, maybe you've taken a class, read some books on JSP, you "can write it." It starts to be more reasonable. There might be some O(1) type operations like the initial setup that can be done in Rails in a hour vs. the full work day for Java or something like that but very little in terms of actual production.


    The crux of the problem with that argument was brought up by the author of webwork, if I'm not mistaken. If you're coding so much that you really can get a 10x improvment then you're clearly not doing enough design work to be making an app that's worth shit, regardless of the tool. Rails doesn't cut down on the thought time.


    DHH kind of tries to disown that comment when he's challenged on it. It's just rails marketing and hype, someone has whispered "10x faster" and they repeat it but they don't stand behind it. One thing that you can bank on, there is a lot of hype around rails, the people who make it are responsible for contributing to that hype and there is very little in the way of concrete information about these outlandish claims.


    It's okay at what it does. I personally don't care for the hype and I generally distrust when all you have is hype.


    Something else to consider, rails by design scales by pushing everything in to the database. They have some minimal caching at the web tier but none at the db tier. You need to render more pages, buy a bigger database, that's the quick answer and they suggest that it works because "yahoo does it that way" This is kind of an, um, interesting way to address scalability. I like how they make sure that they compare rails to what yahoo does too, it's just a quick and subtle comparison but it works and leads you to believe that you could do something yahoo like in rails, when it couldn't be further from the truth. Activerecord doesn't exactly conserve queries, some fairly simple joins seem to result in a lot of queries and it's kind of heavy. It's sales and marketing's way of saying they haven't really addressed the issue. To be pragmatic about this, why on earth are there all the elaborate caching schemes in EJB and J2EE and JDO? Surely people didn't just think it was something fun to build, I know the rails crowd seems to hate java but don't they think anyone with any real skill worked on it ever? I buy the j2ee is complex argument but I need to understand their argument for the complexity being unneeded. If you're planning to move on to a different project before it actually has to scale, that's not really an argument. From my own experience building clustered j2ee apps, scaling by just shoving everything into the db and hitting it for each page simply isn't a practical option if you have any real traffic.

  7. Re:It's multiparadigm. by rossifer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In fact, every time I look at Ruby, all I see is a pale reflection of Smalltalk. I've yet to see anything new it brings to the table.

    Deliverable packaging. Extracting a Smalltalk program from the development environment for distribution is, to be generous, annoying. Which is one of the reasons why Smalltalk works so well in an academic environment, but never caught on for commercial work. Ruby, on the other hand, is about as tough for someone else to deploy as Perl (it isn't).

    This is one of the places where Java really changed things and is IMHO, the big reason for why Java has become so popular. .jar files (and the variations on that theme: .war, .ear, etc.) can package up lots of different things, and as long as people know what VM version to run it on, they're good.

    Regards,
    Ross