8 MegaPixel Digital Sensor Unveiled

hdtv writes "Micron has unveiled an 8-megapixel digital sensor, that 'enables pocket-sized cameras and cell phones to capture bursts of 10 high-quality photos in a single second or even high-definition video.'" From the article: "'We're saying it can go in a point-and-shoot camera selling in the $200 to $300 range,' said Suresh Venkatrama, Micron's director of the digital camera segment. 'It brings high-quality digital video and photography down to the consumer space.' The new sensor is a type of chip known as a 'complementary metal-oxide semiconductor,' or CMOS. Analysts say the technology, which is also used in memory chips and microprocessors, will challenge the dominance of traditional light-sensing charge-coupled devices, or CCDs."

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Just wonderful

[Anonymous Coward]

Now instead of having people post unscaled 2592 x 1944 digital pictures on the web for no reason, we can worry about NASA-sized pictures of cats!

It's not the megapixels, its the quality

[RedMage]

Several things will still be a challenge in "consumer" level images devices (i.e. cameras)
1. More pixels mean higher demands on the lenses. And good lenses are NOT cheap.
2. More pixels mean higher demands on storage. Storage is getting cheaper.
3. More pixels mean higher demands on bandwidth. Bandwith is not universal.

For your typical user of a point-and-shoot camera, 8+ megapixels won't mean much. Most people print images at 4x6" at best, or view them on the screen. For your pro or semi-pro user, they're not that affected by the point-and-shoot market, and will be looking for sharpness, clarity, color fidelity, and lack of noise. None of which are areas that CMOS sensors have excelled in.

Re:Yeah, and that's all you need for great pics!

[Anonymous Coward]

So now instead of 1-2 megapixel poorly lit, blurry shots up some woman's skirt, we'll see 8 megapixel poorly lit, blurry shots up some woman's skirt.

And that, my friend, is progress.

Re:Where's the useful cut-off point?

[Dg93]

A high pixel count also means smaller physical sizes for each pixel on the sensor which means an increase in noise.

I'll take a 3 megapixel APS-C sized sensor over an 8 megapixel sub-fingernail sized sensor any day of the week and twice on sundays.

Re:Where's the useful cut-off point?

[javamann]

But I just saw on CSI that you can enlarge a picture and recover the image already.

That MSBC news story misses the important feature.

[Brit_in_the_USA]

..instead read this one at CNET

http://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-6073584.html?part= rss

The new important thing for this sensor (to consumers anyway) is that it can capture 2mp at 30fps.

It has been designed with capturing full motion 720p video in mind.

This is great- I have long wondered why, as camera mega pixels sizes go up, we are still stuck with VGA video. I would love a digital camera still that can double as a HD video camera.

Dead wrong

[frovingslosh]

Actually, this article demonstrates what is wrong with the "more pixels" mentatlity and the above post shows just how lame some people think (particularly ACs). The truth is that the camera on the NASA MARS rover that has retured all of those great pictures of the red planet (or the studio mock-up of the red planet if you prefer) is 1.3 mega pixes, as was reported here previously on /. It's not all about the pixels, much more important is the quality of the lenses and the quality of the sensor. Using a 8 megapixel sensor on a camera with a cheap lense is a senseless mix, it will waste memory in each shot but will not give quality pictures. And, while I have not had a chance to evaluate this particular device, in general CMOS devices have a much poorer quality than CCD devices. So unless this chip somehow manages to give much better results than we have any reason to expect, it will only be used to hype "8 megapixels" and waste memory space with each shot, not provide better quality pictures.

Sensors? Pfft...

[Locus Mote]

In terms of high-end photography, there are several requirements which rate MUCH higher than simple FPS:

Input Dynamic Range. This is the range of light values in a scene which the sensor "sees" and is able to record. In order to understand this, think of light at dusk reflecting off wet pavement in the distance. The super bright orange glare hitting your eyes is extremely high intensity light, while the shadowed sides of houses and trees and things are low intensity light. Both of these elements have detail that can be recorded. With a low dynamic range, one or the other can be exposed properly. With a high dynamic range it is possible to capture the detail in very dark shadows and very bright highlights without clipping. (Clipping is truncation to flat black or white pixels with no detail). Chemical film, especially positive film (slide film), has a dynamic range which obliterates the best digital sensors.

Falloff. This is the ability to clip gracefully. When using any type of transducer, whether it's a microphone, a square of film or a digital sensor, there is a response curve which maps values input values (light/sound) into recordable output values. In the age of analog (vacuum tubes, vinyl records and chemical film) the response curves were all based on Calculus. They literally rolled off (logarithmic) at the ends. This meant that as the microphone, vacuum tube or film overloaded, it did so gracefully with a smooth transition to clipping. In the digital world, our chips are "dumb". They can only do algebra, not calculus. Their falloff is linear. 8-bit = 256 values, 16-bit = 65536 values, etc. Anything above or below this is immediately clipped to white or black, on or off. The digital world is flat, if your input source is flat, you sail right off the edge into infinity.

Single Pixel Resolution. 99.99% of digital camera sensors use a single layer of matrixed sensors (Bayer array). These sensors are located in gangs of three, similarly to the pixels on an old CRT television. The problem is that each sensor can only see red, green or blue. There is a lot of jibber-jabber that I could go on with, but essentially, bayer sensors really only see 1/3 of the picture information their lenses dump on them. Chemical film is stacked in layers, thus each pixel location "sees" all three RGB. Currently only the Foveon X3 sensor in Sigma digital cameras is capable resolving all the information in each color channel at each individual pixel location.

Now, even if this new Matrix chip performs at even the sub-par level of today's CCD camera sensors, simply buying a camera with one in it does not by any means guarantee quality photography. Back when the sensor (film!) was interchangable from camera to camera, there was still intense competition between camera and lens manufacturers. This is because the sensor can only "see" the image that the lens and camera body deliver to it. The most important factor is the lens! Imagine rubbing vaseline on your glasses and walking around like that all day. This is life with a cheap camera lens. There's a reason why most professional lenses, without a camera body, cost betweed two and ten times as much as an entire point and shoot camera. If a lens is a valve for light, then a professional lens is like a firehose, a prosumer is like a garden hose, a point and shoot is a drinking straw and a cameraphone is a hypodermic needle.

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That's my 2(6.022*10^23) cents worth.