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Free Nationwide Wireless Internet Access?

LiquidEdge writes "ISP-Planet is reporting that startup M2Z wants to offer 95% of America free wireless Internet access using the 20Mhz frequency allocation. They're backed by Kleiner Perkins, one of the most successful VC firms in history, and being started by the guy who built the @Home network and a former FCC Wireless Bureau Chief. 384/128 speeds will be free and they'll sell the higher speeds and the government will get a kickback of the revenue."

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  1. Not if the Cell Companies... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...have anything to say about it. This effectively proposes enough bandwidth to eliminate the need for a traditional cellphone. Instead, you'd be able to carry around a Voice over IP phone that gets you the same coverage everywhere, with no "per minute" fees. The likely extension of this would be that a new telephone network would emerge that wouldn't even bother with POTS compatibility. Just assign your phone a DNS name, and you can start calling "l33tdude.myphone.net" instead of a horribly abstract phone number.

    Give it enough time, and the POTS system (as well as all those expensive cell towers) would go away permenently. The result would be a network with communications that are as free as instant messaging from your computer. Certainly an attractive world for the consumer, but can we really expect to get there without interference? Not to mention that this would mean the end to phones subsidized by cell phone connectivity. Net phones would sell for what they're actually worth as opposed to being "free" or "discounted" with service.

    Not that this isn't without its advantages. I don't know about anyone else, but my cell phone never truly feels like it's "mine". Its linkage with my phone carrier makes it feel more like a device I've rented. Especially when carriers like Verizon go out of their way to disable features like the USB connectivity on the Razrs. Sure, in theory you can pop in a new SIM card. But because of network differences and technology changes, it usually ends up being easier to get a new phone and throw your old one in a landfill. What a waste.

    1. Re:Not if the Cell Companies... by interiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even without inexpensive wireless, sooner or later POTS numbers will be supplemented and ultimately supplanted.

    2. Re:Not if the Cell Companies... by thedletterman · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, you would probably wnt to call l33tdude.mobi

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  2. Sounds like a dot com idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Seriously. They'll make up for it on volume.

  3. Re:I'm confused. by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm confused.

    No wonder you're confused. You've gone from "not reading the article" to "not even reading the summary"! News these days will soon be nothing more than a cheap headline! BWHAHAHA!

    Hint: If you want more bandwidth than the default (e.g. enough to watch internet television on the go), you'll need to pay.

  4. How do we make money? by misleb · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Free internet access. How do we make money? Volume.

    Ya, I know, just the low speed is free. But still, doesn't sound like a solid business plan. From what I understand, what people like most about broadband is the "always on" aspect.. not so much the bandwidth. I wonder if 384/128 is low enough to encourage people to pay for the faster service.

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    1. Re:How do we make money? by whyrat · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm reminded of the good old days of "shotgunning" modems together to combine the total bandwidth. Only now you don't even need multiple phone lines, just multiple wireless receivers.

      What stops me from getting 20 free wireless hookups and running a shotgun program to effectively combine the bandwidth? Other than some sort of account creation requirements (one connection per address? or per Credit card?) I don't see how they could really prevent this.

      Sounds like a future OSS project if this project goes through ;)

  5. Not just the cells by wiredog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The cable companies (not much difference between them and 'traditional' telcos) will also want to stomp his idea flat.

    1. Re:Not just the cells by twistedsymphony · · Score: 4, Insightful

      indeed, especially considering a system like this wouldn't have any need for net-neutrality laws and the whole telco ideal of throttling bandwidth to sites or consumers that don't pay up would only hurt them further.

      If they really want to sell this they'd just have to promote the angle that a government controlled network would allow the government to much more easily spy and monitor that network... then knobbiest be damned because legal power is worth more then bribes at that point.

  6. This *is* just another greedy cell company by dsginter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From what I can gather, any cell company would want the sole control of some UHF bandwidth in exchange for offering "free" entry-level wireless internet access *in exchange for* the right to offer premium pay-for / high-performance service.

    Its a trick. Get an axe!

    No sir. If anything, just open the entire UHF spectrum for municipal wireless internet access. We don't need to assign control to a single entity (e.g. - two or three companies would be able to compete for both free and pay-for service). Yes, you'd still have to regulate it a bit since the spectrum is too valuable to be clouded up by the general public but single-source is just too dangerous. We've already learned that most anyone will take a few dollars in exchange for their corruption (e.g. - the "free" service has high-latency that prevents VoIP and other value added services).

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  7. No different than normal by chundo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and the government will get a kickback of the revenue.

    That's called "lobbying".

  8. There's already a free nationwide wireless ISP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's apparently called "linksys"

  9. Re:95 percent? by digitaldc · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, will this be 95% of the population of the U.S., or 95% of the geographical area?

    It will work in all areas except the ones we live in. There it will be $59.99 a month for AOL Dial-up access.

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  10. 20 MHz *Bandwidth*, not Frequency by Parker51 · · Score: 5, Informative

    "20Mhz frequency allocation"

    More precisely, a 20 MHz *bandwidth* of frequencies in the 2155-2175 MHz band. I did a double-take when first reading this article, because it almost reads as though this service will be operating on a center carrier frequency of 20 MHz. That wouldn't make sense, as that's smack in the middle of the High Frequency, or "shortwave," bands. Not only does that provide worldwide propagation at modest signal powers (as little as a few Watts), users of those frequency bands would be limited to at most a few hundred kHz of bandwidth, which would be unusuable for high-speed computer networking.

    So, the M2Z service is proposing to run on a microwave band, requiring lots of infrastructure and towers, like WiFi or cellular telephone.

    1. Re:20 MHz *Bandwidth*, not Frequency by dubbreak · · Score: 4, Funny

      I read it as "20Hz" the first time and was thinking "All our bass belong to M2Z".

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  11. Re:Not enough bandwidth by ZombieWomble · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Yes, TFA is incorrectly worded. They applied for the 2155 to 2175MHZ band.

    Interestingly, they reason they're offering the government money is not as a 'kick-back', but to actually pay for the allocation, since they aren't offering any money to purchase it up-front.

  12. Um Excuse me? by Mantrid · · Score: 5, Funny

    Um, the 1990's called, they want their business model back!

  13. But... by Instine · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...will I be able to use it in my flying car?

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  14. Or 95% of the web sites by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 4, Informative
    It looks like they'll be implementing an "always on" filter. From their filing:
    Mandatory Filtering of Indecent and Obscene Material. M2Z commits to mandatory filtering of indecent and obscene material for the National Broadband Radio Service. This will be accomplished through a compulsory setting on the service that will utilize state of the art filters, taking every reasonable and available step to block access to sites purveying pornographic, obscene or indecent material. Like the free service itself, M2Z's content filtering will be "always on." Moreover, National Broadband Radio Service customers will be unable to alter the filters as they constitute an essential element of that service. To accomplish these critical filtering functions, M2Z plans to route National Broadband Radio Service traffic through a set of servers that can examine the traffic flows for improper activity and restrict access as required. Thus, the nation's children -- and their parents -- will have free access to broadband that is not only very affordable but also family-friendly and free from pornographic and other indecent material.
    Think of the children . . .
    1. Re:Or 95% of the web sites by ender- · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Although I think it would be great to have free nationwide 384/128kbps wireless, I see two issues:

      One with the filter they want to implement. If this becomes ubiquitous then anyone who pays for another ISP may be assumed to be doing so for 'porn' purposes. So you might want to keep your non-NBRS ISP connection to yourself.

      Also this is a big-brother wet-dream! Especially if people start using it for unencrypted voip traffic. No need to bug people's houses. Just get anywhere within x-miles of the target and you can read everything they send out. And it will be easy to find them using a triangulation of multiple towers in the area. At least in heavily populated area's; it might be alittle more difficult to triangulate someone's position using the single tower in BFE, Kansas.

      Anyway, in the past I would have considered someone crazy if they really thought these things were an issue. Unfortunately recent history is making me more and more concerned.

  15. Re:Kleiner Perkins? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I suggest you click on the "Public Companies" link to the left on the page you linked to.

    Your opinion might change.

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  16. Author Dave Burstein here, agreeing by Daveberstein · · Score: 4, Informative

    Dave Burstein here, author of this one. Comments are right on target, so I thought to stop by with some followup.
    1- The business plan sounds dubious, but heck, let's let Kleiner Perkins pay the bill to find out whether they are chasing a dot-com model. May or may not be decent business (smart folk like Dewayne Hendricks are skeptical), but it's good policy to get it built. They are only asking for a 15 year license, not perpetual.
    2- The existing carriers will fight like hell to stop anything like this, as noted. So instead of whining, do something in D.C.. I hear more people making noise on these forums than I ever hear in Washington. I know you think Washington never listens, but I've seen ideas of mine in FCC regulations and congressional statements. You may not have the $million AT&T gave to Congressman Bobby Rush, but may of the people making decisions are honest and will listen to you as well. Email me daveb at dslprime.com for some ideas.
    3- "So, will this be 95% of the population of the U.S., or 95% of the geographical area?" They are aiming for 95% of the population, with a sensible excuse not to get to the other 5%: excess cost of fiber to connect the towers to the Internet backbone. So my next editorial will be: Serving the next 10%: FCC needs to bring down the cost of backhaul Revive tough "special access" rules where broadband is hard to get (suggesting that if the local carrier isn't offering DSL, make them lease fiber cheaply to someone who will.)
    4- All that said about universal broadband coverage on land, some small portion of users (my guess is 1-3% but no one has hard data) are best served by satellite because of terrain/distance problems. Policy on that is to find a way to bring down the price/bring up the speed of satellite service. I always prefer to do that by competition when that can work.
    Dave Burstein
    Editor, DSL Prime