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Miyamoto Says Sony Controller is 'Flattering'
GamesIndustry.biz describes an interview with Shigeru Miyamoto, in which the designer refers to the PS3 controller as 'flattering'. From the article: "... it kind of reinforces in our minds that we're doing the right thing. What they've done is just take your standard controller and add in this motion-sensing device that's similar to what we did back on the Game Boy Color many years ago. Maybe if they were to completely copy and go with a remote and a nunchuk and two motion sensors, I might be a little more concerned. But I don't think they're anywhere close to that."
Kind of hypocritical given Nintendo's track record of Mario platformers, racers, beat-em-ups and tennis games, along with the neverending Zelda series and the myriad Pokemon versions.
This discussion keeps getting brought up, and the answer is, as it always is - just because Mario or Link is in a game, doesn't mean it's the same game. The progression of gameplay in, say, the Zelda series, from NES to SNES to 64 to Cube has been pretty impressive. I would say the leap between 64 and Cube is probably more graphical than anything, but compare the game play of Legend of Zelda to A Link To The Past, and you will see a huge leap. Similarly, compare A Link To The Past to Ocarina of Time - it's not like it's the same game with prettier graphics and new maps. Wind Waker was not a huge leap in gameplay over Ocarina/Majorica's Mask, but then again those two are probably among the highest regarded console games ever, so it's a tough act to follow.
Kind of hypocritical given Nintendo's track record of Mario platformers, racers, beat-em-ups and tennis games, along with the neverending Zelda series and the myriad Pokemon versions.
Not really. Most of Nintendo's sequels are much, much different than previous ones - they just keep some of the style and names the same. The biggest example I can think of is Majora's Mask for the N64. Sure, it's a Zelda game, but it feels wildly different than Ocarina of Time. Wind Waker felt different than both (though not in a good way).
This is as opposed to, say, Kingdom Hearts II, which... okay, I like, but it just feels so much like the original one for most of the game so far. Some of the combat's changed a bit, but that's kinda minor, as the way in which the combat's changed isn't that integral to the game.
Now, this isn't true for all of their games (Super Smash Bros. or Mario Kart, for example) but for Mario and Zelda it doesn't seem that similar.
Kind of hypocritical given Nintendo's track record of Mario platformers, racers, beat-em-ups and tennis games, along with the neverending Zelda series and the myriad Pokemon versions.
Tell me were any of the original Mario games exactly alike? No. Super Mario Bros 2 was completely different from just about every other one in the franchise. They change things up again with 3. Things even got a bit of a makeover in World and Mario 64 was different as well. Yes, some of the gameplay remains the same, but a lot is different. Just because you re-use a franchise over and over does not mean you cannot revolutionize with the games you make in that franchise.
The Zelda series is similar to the Mario series in many of the same reasons. The games change and have new dynamics. No one can tell me that Ocarina and Windwaker were the same game. They are two different experiences. More then just graphics changes with these series. The new Zelda even proposes to offer new twists not yet seen.
Now, the Pokemon games, I cannot condone. I pretty much hate everything Pokemon. Let us just say Nintendo was smart with that one. Tons of games that are mostly the same and kids will want damn near everyone one, and the parents are going to shell out the money.
Nintendo does vary games within the franchise and while many may play the same or close to it, they still do a good job of creating things that are new and exciting. The Wii is something that we really haven't seen before. The remote is going to create new games with new gameplay options. There has been talk that LA may even give up a lightsaber game for Wii. How sweet would that be? Not to mention all the funny videos we can get online too.
You see, what Miyamoto was trying to say was, you have all these games that you play the exact same way as before and are almost always just graphics improved versions of their predecessor, but with the Wii, you are going to get a new controller that offers great new opportunities for game play and a new experience all together. Remember, I think a few people laughed at Nintendo when they told people about the DS, but I think a lot of people now see that Nintendo may not have been as crazy after all.
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Have you seen the game list for the PS3? It's all sequels. All. Nothing new. Nintendo is going out and doing new things. It's not hypocritical at all. Yes, they're reusing some of the same characters (like Mario, Link, and Samus), but they're completely new and different experiences using the Wii Remote.
What are the big PS3 titles?
Devil May Cry 4
Metal Gear Solid 4
Resident Evil 5
Tekken 6
Final Fantasy 13 (you'd think after 12 people would get sick of it, but there's no accounting for taste)
Nothing but the same thing, rehashed with high-def graphics.
Nintendo is offering a new experience. Sony is offering you a chance to buy a $2500 TV to take advantage of their $600 console to buy $70 games that rehash the same games you played on the PS2.
So, no, I wouldn't say he's being hypocritical.
Lukewarm reaction? Everywhere you go, Nintendo is heralded as having the best show at E3.
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There is nothing 'flattering' about the Sony tilt sensing controller - and complaining that Sony is copying you is like a little kid getting mad that another little kid picked the same colour for their player in some game.
You do know they added this tilt capability about 3 days before E3 right? Most of the developers didn't know it even existed in the controller.
The excitement developers felt about the Rev had little to do with the actual hardware making up the system, but a feeling that Nintendo was setting things up for developers to go crazy with smaller and less mainstream games.
OH NO! Someones going to innovate instead of making Burnout Revenge Takedown Annihilation 3, Stone them with rocks!
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Super Mario Bros 2 was completely different from just about every other one in the franchise
Actually, the real SMB2 was almost identical to the first game with the exception of a few extras like poisonous mushrooms and gusts of wind. The SMB2 you played was basically a completely different game, Doki Doki Panic, with some Mario sprites substituted. This version was introduced to American/European markets because the original SMB2 was deemed too hard - I can attest that it is quite difficult, at least when compared to the first game. You can find it as 'The Lost Levels' on Super Mario All Stars for the SNES.
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Just to let you know, there is a conventional controller for Wii. It's called the Classic Controller. Basically a SNES controller with two analogs on the bottom. The Wii will also support GC controllers. Nintendo left plenty of options for developers to use standard controllers as well as the WiiMote. They aren't shunning anything. They even stated that the new Smash Bros. is more effectively played with a GC controller than a WiiMote and so it is most likely won't take advantage of the features on the WiiMote.
As for Sony copying Nintendo, I don't think it's a direct copy but I do think that the addition of motion sensors was cemented the day Nintendo announced their goals. Motion sensors have been around for a long time but it's probably Nintendo that will take it mainstream. Sony following suit is a sign that Nintendo isn't the only one who knows you can push graphics only so far. If they were the ones to think of it, at least Sony is willing to not stand idly by.
Seriously though, I can't wait to try out both consoles (though my heart and wallet is set on Nintendo).
Zelda games have had fishing for quite some time now.
Nintendo is FORCING innovation, Sony is evolving it.
Sony is doing little to evolve anything. The sensor only adds tilting capabilities to its controller where the wiimote can also sense depth. You might as well just add another button and call it "evolution." No one can "force" innovation. Nintendo is making room for it. Remember that the Wii will feature the "shell" remote which the new Smash Bros. will be using.
Wario Ware: Twisted uses the same technology as the PS3 controller. The wiimote truly adds some "evolution" to a tried and true formula.
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....caused Sony to add something else to the controller. Tilt control was the obvious solution. Sony didn't want to send out a bland controller that.
Most people will ignore the feature, and in won't make a bit of difference in the console wars. But they certainly weren't going to relase just a plain controller. They just needed a gimmick so that the controller wouldn't be a soft point in side to side comparisons.
How revolutionary a game is has nothing to do with the characters used, and everything to do with how the gameplay is designed and how much of an impact it has on the games that follow after it.
For instance, the Z-targeting feature in Ocarina of Time is a feature that has been copied in pretty much every 3d adventure game that has come out since. It's something simple that makes perfect sense, but was missing in games like Mario 64, because no one had thought of it yet.
If you're going to strip away everything and drop a game down to it's most base characteristics, there's very little actual difference between Zelda:OoT and Mario 64, or Zelda & Tomb Raider or any of a thousand games. But each of those games has added something significant to the gaming industry to the point that every game in it's respective genre uses some form of it. And that is what I consider innovation.
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To be fair, Square has lately been making very major changes in how their Final Fantasy games play. Sometimes to the annoyance of their fans. If you're going to count Final Fantasy as being more of the same, you might as well go ahead and lump Mario and Zelda in there.
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