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High Court Trims Whistleblower Rights

iminplaya writes "In yet another blow against free speech rights, the Supreme Court decided that government employees who report wrongdoing do not enjoy 1st Amendment rights while on the job. From the article 'The Supreme Court scaled back protections for government workers who blow the whistle on official misconduct Tuesday, a 5-4 decision in which new Justice Samuel Alito cast the deciding vote [...] The ruling was perhaps the clearest sign yet of the Supreme Court's shift with the departure of moderate Justice Sandra Day O'Connor and the arrival of Alito. [...] Stephen Kohn, chairman of the National Whistleblower Center, said: "The ruling is a victory for every crooked politician in the United States."'"

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  1. Unfortunate by gcnaddict · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are China and the US becoming more and more like eachother nowadays? It's like this country is moving to a pseudo-communist form of government :(

    If TJ was brought to the future, he'd hate the government as it stands in this point in time, but then again, he'd hate alot of other things with the government now too, like how damned big it is.

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    1. Re:Unfortunate by Jason1729 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You have no idea what the word "communist" means. Why don't you go look it up?

      The US is moving towards a police state, which China, to a large degree, already is. The US is more capitalistc than ever (capitalism is the opposite of communism).

    2. Re:Unfortunate by jmv · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Are China and the US becoming more and more like eachother nowadays?

      Yes.

      It's like this country is moving to a pseudo-communist form of government :(

      No, the thing is that China is becoming more and more capitalistic (despite the communist talk), while the US is becoming more and more repressive. Therefore both are becoming capitalistic, repressive regimes.

  2. America is changing.... by AtariDatacenter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bit by bit, it seems, that America is changing into something quite different than I was taught in school. Like the supreme court ruling that allows local governments to sieze your land for a better purpose as just one of many examples.

    Was it just that I was young and naive and believed in a good country that stuck to its principles? That principles meant something to this country?

    1. Re:America is changing.... by spirality · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Funny thing about the eminent domain rulings, in particular the New London case. The conservatives, i.e. Scalia and Thomas oppossed the ruling, but Ginsberg and the liberal cliche, including O'Conner, I believe, supported it. Exactly the opposite of this decision.

      On the surface this ruling might seem bad too, but I'm not so sure. From what I read it means that government employees can be fired for what they say at work. Just like me in my private sector job. This seems like a no brainer to me.

    2. Re:America is changing.... by nick+this · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bullshit.

      You don't have to be young and inexperienced to be idealistic. Having high ideals and living up to them is harder when you are grown up and experience the real world, but it can be done. Only lazy and intellectually dishonest people do things that are morally/ethically/idealistically wrong and blame it on "the real world".

      To let America slide from a beacon of hope in the world to a distrusted mad dog because it's too hard to do the right thing is frankly disgusting.

      Or so I believe.

  3. The real shame by sxltrex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real shame of the Bush regime isn't all the crap he's pulled during his presidency. The real shame, as demonstrated by this latest attack on our "inalienable rights, " is that it's going to take us at least 20 years to undo the damage. I still can't believe we had the opportunity to say goodbye after the first four years but brought him back for four more.

    1. Re:The real shame by Lord+Kano · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I still can't believe we had the opportunity to say goodbye after the first four years but brought him back for four more.

      I'm a two time Bush voter. Even with his shorcomings(and he does have many), the other candidate in the general election was even more unpalatable to me.

      LK

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  4. Headline Is A Little Misleading by spirality · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You would think it was the end of the world by the headline. From what I understood of the article government employees should behave like private sector employees. That is, if I shoot my mouth off at work I might get fired. This seems like a no brainer. The speech seems to directly relate to what is said at work, not what is said in public about work. Big difference.

    The thing about free speech is this. Your words have consequences, which might include you losing your job. There is no first amendment guarantee to others not taking action against you because of your words.

  5. Article summary is flamebait by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article, stripping away the spin and leaving in what Kennedy actually said:


    "We reject, however, the notion that the First Amendment shields from discipline the expressions employees make pursuant to their professional duties," Kennedy said. ....
    Kennedy said if the superiors thought the memo was inflammatory, they had the authority to punish him.

    "Official communications have official consequences, creating a need for substantive consistency and clarity. Supervisors must ensure that their employees' official communications are accurate, demonstrate sound judgment, and promote the employer's mission," Kennedy wrote. .....
    Kennedy said that government workers "retain the prospect of constitutional protection for their contributions to the civic discourse." They do not, Kennedy said, have "a right to perform their jobs however they see fit."


    Should government workers really be able to pass around accusatory memos with no ability to be fired? I thought it was already enough of a joke that if you worked for the government you were in for life. Do we not want government employees to be accountable for what they say if it is false?

    Speech will still be protected if it is truly whistleblowing, and not just bitching.

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  6. This has nothing to do with the first amendment by vijayiyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The 1st amendment is a restriction preventing laws from being enacted which prevent freedom of speech. It does not, however, grant anybody a right to keep their jobs. It just means you won't be arrested after you're shown the door. The court ruling seems like common sense to me. It doesn't stop anybody from whistleblowing - but don't count on keeping your job if you do.

  7. National Whistleblower Center by pintomp3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    when i read "National Whistleblower Center", i just had to google it. sounded like an SNL sketch. i know some of you will argue that noone has a right to keep their job, but this opens the door to legally squash anyone who might uncover your wrongdoing. also, it's not the same as a private company firing someone giving out trade secrets. we have a right to know what's going on in OUR govt. this point seems to be lost, the govt should be accountable to the public, not the other way around.

  8. Article Itself is Misleading! by Vraeden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Reading the slip opinion, this case does not seem to be about retaliation for whistleblowing. A government employee was fired because his superiors believed his performance was inadequate, perhaps sparked by an argument over a possibly bad warrant.

    All the Court seems to say here is that the memo that Ceballos wrote was not something he wrote as a civilian to "whistleblow," he wrote the memo as part of his job and could indeed be fired for it.

    It'd be like getting fired for writing bad software...programmers can't claim their software is a communication protected by the 1st Amendment and then claim they can't be fired for it!

    I suspect that one could still write "memos" and send them to journalists as a civilian and have those writings protected.

  9. Mod parent down; -1, Mentally Ill by Just+Another+Poster · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Please, what a lot of fearmongering and nonsense. Communist governments spend vast sums of nonexistant money, they tend to create an elite "politburo" class of elite rich while everyone else remains poor,

    By comparing the savage inequalities of power and wealth in communist nations such as Cuba and North Korea with "income inequality" non-issues of freer nations, I can only conclude that you're mentally ill.

    they begin wars and conquor countries to control resources they otherwise wouldn't have and couldn't afford,

    Iraq sure doesn't look very "conquored" to me.

    Where's all the oil we have supposedly "stolen"?

  10. Not that big a deal by BoneFlower · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This only restricts the exercise of free speech *in the performance of duty*. If employers could not restrict what employees said in the performance of duties, you could have "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" going out as an official government memo, and there would be little that could be done about it. Employers need to be able to restrict the speech of their employees while in an official capacity.

    Even apart from enshrining racist forgeries as official government memos, not being able to restrict official speech makes it virtually impossible to enforce any sort of protocol. Without established, enforced, and respected protocol the entire chain of command, unity, and general discipline will break down and the organization will founder. The ability to restrict official speech is critical to this.

    This ruling strikes a good balance. Makes it clear that you can't simply say anything *in an official capacity*, where you should be representing the interests of those who hired you, while leaving your rights to speak as your own person untouched.

  11. Re:Tell this to the thousands of dead by misanthrope101 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I agree completely. This is one of the darkest periods of American history, probably the darkest since Jim Crow. We have the President waffling on the definition of torture, claiming the authority to imprison an American citizen indefinitely without charges, claiming the authority to nullify any law he wants, repudiating the separation of powers/checks and balances system, etc. We have secret US-run prisons scattered around the world, into which people are "disappeared" off the street, tortured, and even if they are released later, no raparations are made of any kind. We have the declaration of permanent war (but without the declaration of war demanded by the Constitution), the suspension of the rule of law, and once again, a government (and largely a population) that is condoning what would obviously be called torture if we weren't the ones doing it. We won't just "bounce back" from this like we might repair the economy, and even that is looking doubtful with the skyrocketing national debt. This is pretty damned horrible.

    And no, I'm not blaming Bush exclusively--he's just one man. The Americans as a whole let this crap happen because they're too freaking stupid to realize that an omnipotent government isn't a safe thing to have. They're too caught up in the fist-pumping "kick-ass!" feeling they get from watching Fox news that they're just pouring our hard-won freedom down the drain. I don't think what drove them to this was 100% fear--people weren't scared so much as pissed off that anyone would have the nerve to do this to us. Considering we have the attention span of gnats and the analytic ability of same, I'm not surprised that we attacked the wrong freaking country and got ourselves eyeballs-deep into this. We're making MORE terrorists, not fewer. Christ!

    Even aside from gutting civil liberties, abandoning the rule of law, the balkanization of public discourse, sanctioning and practice of torture, a skyrocketing national debt, we're making the terrorism situation worse! It's making sense why Iran endorsed President Bush in his re-election campaign. By destabilizing the entire region he has helped the Islamicists. Taliban for everyone! Wonderful. I'm so proud.

  12. Re:Feudalism by bri2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    We were, perhaps, in the 80s and early 90s - which were the glory days of the EU competition (anti-trust, if you must) directorate attacking state monopolies and imposing (and enforcing) serious fines against member states for illegal state aid. I would argue that, post Maastricht and the eastern enlargement, the priority shifted towards a "social" Europe (whatever that is supposed to mean) with competition and free movement of goods taking a back seat (notwithstanding that these elements of the Treaty of Rome, and their enforcment, were, I believe, the EU's most important contribution to Europe's post-war posterity).

    As the recent events in France show, the European population still believe the state is obliged to take care of them and no European politicians have the guts to stand up and explain that this simply is not possible.