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ThePirateBay Will Rise Again?
muffen writes "IDG.se has an interesting article up giving more details about the raid on PirateBay, and a little history of the organization. The news organ reports that nearly 200 servers were taken, and many of them had nothing to do with the torrent-serving group. After yesterday's raid, the site is back up with a single page explaining the situation. Brokep, one of the people behind PirateBay, claims that the site will be up and running within a couple of days. He also says that there is no legal basis for the raid against them and that he is certain that the case will not go to trial." From the site: "The necessity for securing technical evidence for the existence of a web-service which is fully official, the legality of which has been under public debate for years and whose principals are public persons giving regular press interviews, could not be explained. Asked for other reasoning behind the choice to take down a site, without knowing whether it is illegal or not, the officers explained that this is normal."
I myself live in America and the only way I can find information on this political party is online. I wish that there were more official resources in English aside from their site. There seems to be one page with the content exactly the same as Christian Engström's post.
Is it possible that this party is popular via lack of information? I would like to see them explain their strategy & give very detailed specifics about what they would like to see changed and why. I think that if this was posted, it may cause them to lose some support but would definitely let Sweden & the rest of the world know a lot more about the Pirate Party. I like their desired end results but how to plan to achieve these goals?
I don't want to sound like an ass but in my opinion, having 200 servers of a controversial party raided and confiscated by the local government is one of the best things that could happen to said party. Especially since nothing incriminating was found on them. Do political parties now earn "street cred" like this? Certainly would strike a chord with the youth & idealists. Hmmm, sounds like pretty unlawful search and seize action
Dennis: Come and see the corruption inherent in the system. Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
King Arthur: *seizes the servers* Bloody file sharers!
Dennis: Oh, what a giveaway! Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about! Did you see him repressing me? You saw him, Didn't you?
My work here is dung.
Dude, that joke hasn't been funny for years. (I mean why didn't you pull out BSD is dying?)
There are shills on slashdot. Apparently, I'm one of them.
The MPAA's statement after the takedown of thepiratebay.
Seems like Swedish authorities gave in to the pressure from **AA groups. This may be good as it will put the general public on the side of TPB.
A poll in the largest evening newspaper in sweden shows what people think of the takedown of TPB. The question in the poll is, is it right to "attack" people that are involved in filesharing. Ja = YES and Nej = NO. The results speak for themselves.
But in the real world it takes losts of advertising, promotion and wheel-greasing to create a snger/band/TV show worth anything.
Bzzt, wrong.
What it takes is hard work. Being the son of a career musician, I can tell you that it is not hard to make a -very- decent living making music. What it does take, just as any other career, is years of constant work building a name for yourself in your community, and then beyond.
Would people please get it out of their head that labels somehow make music as a career viable. My dad has produced and sold several records, tapes and CDs in his career; has performed all over north america, and now in his late 50s owns his own recording studio and takes students. He has a waiting list of several dozen students, and has hired several teachers to help with the load.
You've probably never heard of him. His original music doesnt have raw mainstream appeal, BUT, contrary to your idea, he has made a very good living for himself through his music. And he never had a label around to rape his ideas and keep most of the money.
"Reality" has nothing to do with big buisness advertising, it has to do with hard work. Pure and simple. Does he support getting his music out there via filesharing? Yes. It helps him build his reputation and get other work.
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Alcohol: 85,000, or between 1 and 2 percent of the US population every year. Marijuana: 0. FUCKING ZERO.
Let me say up front that I'm for legalizing Marijuana as a substance similar to the way Alcohol is legal.
I checked what I believe is the source of your data:
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/causes.htm
The "zero" number you quote is only for deaths directly related to smoking it. The number for alcohol (85000) includes car related accidents. The number of direct alcohol deaths is more like 68400 - not an insignificant number. The number of car accidents related to "illicit drug use" including Marijuana is included in the 17000 number near the bottom. If we count every incident as a "Marijuana related car accident" (which I know is unreasonable) then we still end up with a number comparable to alcohol. What that says to me is that no matter what substance you have available to let people alter their minds with there is a percentage of the population that will do stupid things like drive and take other people out.
I think it's stupid that smoking it is illegal but perhaps something a little more realistic than "it's harmless" should be the message. If you tell people its harmless and the statistics start to show more indirect deaths due explicitly to Marijuana then you risk backlash.
There are two kinds of people: 1) those that need closure
RIGHT: Unauthorized redistribution of copyrighted works is in violation of the Berne Convention, which Sweden is a signatory,
WRONG: so it IS illegal for Pirate Bay to do what they are doing.
Pirate Bay was NOT, under no circumstances, authorizedly or unauthorizedly redistributing copyrighted works. There were NO copyrighted works in PB's servers. ".torrent" files are just files that contain the following information: "the tracker XXX is keeping files YYY, ZZZ, TTT available for bittorrent swarm downloading." And "contributory infringement" is NOT part of the Berne convention... it's an USofAn "innovation". BTW, down here in Brasil there is no "contributory infringement" either.
It's better to be the foot on the boot than the face on the pavement. ~~ tkx Kadin2048
You sir, ought to be modded redundant. Before you make ridiculous assertions that the legalize marijuana movement ended during the 1970s, I suggest actually reading the Wikipedia article; The legal issues of cannabis. If continual progress each and every month equates to failure in your mind, then I'm sorry but you need to revise your thought processes somewhat. Even in the U.S. at the state level, authorities are seeing the light and legalizing cannabis in small quantities - full legalization is on the way, whether it'll take 2, 5, 10, 20 or 50 years it will undoubtedly arrive.
On topic, the supposed "end" of the Pirate Bay doesn't herald the end of BitTorrent - infact this will merely boost the cause of those hosting the site. Once the Swedish authorities wake up and realize PB has done nothing wrong, then the true campaign to relinquish all copyright law can truly begin.
If this, a raid involving 50 officers, can happen in Sweden, a usually progressive, efficient and liberal nation - what would happen in more authoritarian nations? The sooner as these ridiculous, oligopoly-serving laws are erased from statute books worldwide, the better.
If it sounds strange to you, don't worry, that's what they actually wrote.
They are targetting LAN DC++ users (and LAN hubs) right now.
It is unknown wether they will extend this to torrent users of well-known ISPs or not.
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The following is the translation of the bolded text in the article:
A hysteria broke all across the country following operations directed towards those who illegally use the "share" option in the so-called neighbourhood networks (translator note: LANs spanning users from a few buildings up to a few city blocks). Sources from the MAI (translator note: Ministry of Internal Affairs ? well, the police anyway) have declared the operation is code-named "The Gramophone".
Because in the IP-rights category Romania got a "yellow flag" warning from the EU, Romanian Police has enacted measures regarding weekly raids organisation in order to control this phenomenon, in all counties.
Within the scope of this endeavour, policemen and prosecutors will work together with ISPs and hub operators. Another method used by the cops to penetrate the hubs is by assuming innocuous user identities.
In Iasi (translator note: rather large city, "capital" of the county with the same name in the NE of the country, region called Moldova), cops and prosecutors have made several household searches, seizing HDDs, computers and switches. In Tulcea (translator note: city by the Black Sea coast/ Danube Delta), over 20 Internet users have ended up with penal records, and cops have confiscated "dozens" of HDDs.
The chief of the IP department from the "Parchetul General" (translator note: the higher prosecuting autority), Monica Otava, has declared that prosecutors all across the country will start [such] actions, benefitting from both legal grounds and the necessary logistics for the "annihilation" of LANs.
The only other relevant (and worying) bit is the following:
That loosely translates into something like this:
*Interviewer* : So, are we to understand that from now on anybody who is connected to a local LAN can end up with the police holding a search warrant at their door?
*Monica Otava* : Yes, anytime, he can end up with a search warrant at his door
Well... no comment.
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According to this story It was the MPAA that was behind the raid. After being contacted by the MPAA, the US government got into talks with the swedish ministry for foreign affairs here in Sweden. The ministry of justice contacted police and prosecutors, but they didn't want to do anything since the legal issues here are unclear. So the ministry of justice contacted the national police chief and got orders to raid the server hall. The legality of the operation is highly questionable and borders on ministerstyre, whatever that would be called in english, it means that ministers tell government agencies what to do or how to interpret laws. This is illegal in Sweden.