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Ubuntu 6.06 Reviewed

Mark writes "This year has been a huge step forward for Desktop Linux users. First, Fedora Core 5 was released and featured the new Gnome 2.14. Then SUSE 10.1 showed us how well applications could be integrated to make a desktop look great. Now it was time for Ubuntu to release their latest version: 'Dapper Drake.'" Oh yeah, the inital review is good, too. Worth checking out for desktop Linux users.

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  1. Painless Upgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wow...I made a simple change to my sources.list file and ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and 15 minutes later I went from Breezy to Dapper. No reboot required. Bravo to the Ubuntu team!

    1. Re:Painless Upgrade by shreevatsa · · Score: 5, Informative

      The many (equivalent) ways to upgrade to Dapper ("Ubuntu 6.06") are detailed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades. This, of course, is assuming you're already running Breezy ("Ubuntu 5.10").

    2. Re:Painless Upgrade by HankB · · Score: 5, Informative
      sudo bash
      cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.just-to-be-safe
      vi /etc/apt/sources.list
      1,$s/breezy/dapper/g
      <esc> wq
      apt-get update
      apt-get dist-upgrade
      shutdown -r now


      During the dist-upgrade step you will probably have to answer some questions about using new config files vs. existing modified ones.

      You do need to reboot if you want the new kernel running. (2.6.15)

      Afterwards you might have to tweak some things like the wireless drivers or display drivers. I had to download the synaptics driver because the new one has bugs that manifest for 64 bit systems.

      But it really is that easy!

      -hank
    3. Re:Painless Upgrade by mkro · · Score: 5, Funny

      My grandmother's head exploded just after she finished typing the "vi /etc/apt/sources.list" part :(

      Will this be fixed in future versions of the tutorial?

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    4. Re:Painless Upgrade by mkro · · Score: 3, Funny
      You can first install the 5.10 to your hard disk, and then do the changes as above to get upto 6.06.
      Cool. Anyone know where I can find the 5.10 torrent?
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    5. Re:Painless Upgrade by poolmeister · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe try and teach your granny [Ctrl]+[C] & [Ctrl]+[V].

      :)

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    6. Re:Painless Upgrade by misleb · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not to take the wind out of the Ubuntu sails or anything, but such upgradability has been a feature of Debian for a long time now. Ubuntu just inheritted it. I have a Debian desktop that was once installed 8 years ago with Debian 1.2 or something like that and through the years it has been upgraded from one stable release to the next (and sometime unstable/testing). The HD was also moved into faster boxes.

      -matthew

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    7. Re:Painless Upgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      I have a Debian desktop that was once installed 8 years ago

      so you got the opportunity to use dist-upgrade what, twice?

    8. Re:Painless Upgrade by palumbor · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well I love Ubuntu, but the upgrade was *not so painless* for me and a few other users according to the forums. The upgrade process seems to fail on specific motherboards upon detecting that PCMCIA does not exist. If you are upgrading from Breezy, the kernel has no support to restart the detection or for this instance, fail out. Upon restarting the system, you are left with a hodge-podge Breezy/Dapper install that fails even in safe mode due to the newly introduced PCMCIA junk. If anyone is seriously considering using the GUI upgrade system, check that your motherboard works. If someone runs into this problem -- Boot using any live cd and just rm everything related to PCMCIA in etc so the system fails PCMCIA check, but at least does not hard lock. From here you can dist-upgrade the remaining packages from Dapper and everything should work fine. Once the new kernel has been installed, PCMCIA detection isn't a problem... Other than that, it seems speedier than Breezy and I'm loving the fact that SMP kernel is now integrated into the main -- saves me a reboot or three.

    9. Re:Painless Upgrade by misleb · · Score: 3, Informative

      Off the top of my head: 1.2 -> 2.0 -> 2.1 -> 2.2 -> 3.0 -> 3.1

      -matthew

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    10. Re:Painless Upgrade by advocate_one · · Score: 3, Informative

      I didn't even need to do that... After my latest update of breezy yesterday (which updated update manager... :) ), I launched the update manager again from the menu, entered my password, and it told me there was a new version of ubuntu available... all I had to do was click on the upgrade button and follow the prompts... never once had to launch a terminal and use the command prompt...

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  2. But does it run... by Ant+P. · · Score: 3, Insightful

    XGL?

    1. Re:But does it run... by piquadratCH · · Score: 3, Informative
      But does it run XGL?

      With a little work, yes.

      If you're question was whether XGL is the default, the answer is of course no. XGL is unstable and it's future is uncertain as it's 'competitor' AIGLX is included in Xorg 7.1.

  3. Here is why it is a big step by El+Cubano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This year has been a huge step forward for Desktop Linux users.

    I know that people here frequently complain about things like duplication of effort and forking as things that dilute the impact of Linux and free/open source software on the world. I tend to be of the opposite opinion. You want something geared at the business desktop with good integration and commercial support? Get SuSE. You want something that carries the name of a recognized brand? Get Fedora (yes it is still in many places considered the standard, just look at how many hosting providers provide is as the primary or only platform). You want something different that has a reputation for rock solid stability? Get Debian. You want a user-friendly Debian? Get Ubutnu.

    The point is that the diversity is what makes these things possible. None of those things would be done nearly as effectivly under a "one size fits all" approach.

  4. Dapper is good, but it's not there yet. by bwd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not ready for grandma to use, and as such, it's not an XP replacement. It still takes many keystrokes to get MP3 and video codec support. Want a binary nvidia driver? Due to ideological reasons, you'll need to manually enable universe and install it. And exotic wifi protocol support is still spotty (but better). Try explaining all that to someone who is computer illiterate. All they know is that this stuff works automatically in XP or OSX.

    Not that I'm ragging on Dapper Drake; I installed it the first day it came out. But it is being touted as an XP replacement when it isn't. I think it is only a marginal improvement over the last version in terms of ease of use for people who aren't already savvy. The improved theme certainly looks good, but that only goes so far when you are looking to replace XP for normal users. I think the Ubuntu team really needs to rethink leaving out MP3 decoders and regular codec support. Microsoft doesn't seem to have 'licensing issues' when they ship XP with those features, and neither does Apple.

    1. Re:Dapper is good, but it's not there yet. by swab79 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah but if YOU do the install, it is ready for grandma to use. I don't think grandma would do too well installing XP either.

    2. Re:Dapper is good, but it's not there yet. by shreevatsa · · Score: 3, Informative
      It's not ready for grandma to use
      Grandma can use it easily enough if you set it up for her. Take a look at this.
      (Also consider it just proof of concept; you might not want to do exactly the same things. For example, it's better (IMHO) to do things the right way than to use automated options like Automatix or EasyUbuntu.)
    3. Re:Dapper is good, but it's not there yet. by say · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bah! Is MS paying these people to write one post like this on every mention of linux progress anywhere?

      Dear Sir,

      Your post is addressing the needs of a computer user (Grandma). You argue that she could not use Ubuntu Dapper for her computing needs. According to you, she would have problems with the following:

      • Getting mp3 and video support
      • Getting a binary NVIDIA proprietary video driver
      • Getting a driver for her exotic wi-fi card

      Because this is why she can't switch, I am guessing that you presume she does not know anyone who can help her with that. Fine. And because you argue that this is what makes Ubuntu inapt as an XP replacement, you must be arguing that she em can do all of that on her own with Windows XP.

      "Grandma" does not exist, so stop pulling her out. Let's analyse what kind of person Grandma would have to be to fit the description: She is concerned about the performance loss between the nv and nvidia drivers, but unable to follow the three steps documented under "documentation" on Ubuntus webpage to get the nvidia driver. Also, she is completely able to download and install an updated executable from the correct website when she is in Windows. That kind of person does not exist.

      I am really sick and tired over these kind of comments. "It is really good, I use it, but I doubt anyone could manage to use it". What you are trying to say, is that not everyone can setup and manage a computer, and maintain a healthy, powerful and updated operating system on it. This is old news. It applies just as much to your favoured operating system (which pshyciatric examination would reveal to be Windows) as Ubuntu Dapper.

      As a counter-point, and an exercise to the GP, please do compare the routine of installing office applications on Windows compared to Ubuntu Dapper. Oh, it came pre-installed on Dapper? OK, that's unfair. Then compare installing any other application on Dapper vs. Windows. The ease-of-use for new users is vastly better with Dapper's extremely user-friendly shell over apt-get and dpkg. Windows is more difficult on this much more common task for a newbie than installing custom, 4%-extra-performance-gaining graphic drivers.

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    4. Re:Dapper is good, but it's not there yet. by orasio · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are a troll, whether you know it, or not.

      I could tell, because you highlight "./configure; make install"
      In fact, if it was _that_ simple, it would just be "make install", but it isn't.

      About clicking the "setup.exe" , well, someone need to tell you to do that. People don't know by default that they need to click that to install. Plus, they can't se the ".exe" in XP, because file extensions are hidden. So they need to click the "setup" file with the flashy icon. And with no help whatsoever, of course. Plus, the CD with the software popped out of nowhere. Or maybe "grandma" went to best-buy and bought the software.

      Let's talk a little bit about me. I use Ubuntu, and I didn't use ./configure;make;make install since I am using Ubuntu. It has _all_ the software I need. I'm very confident that "grandma" doesn't need more software than I do. If she has more esoterical needs, maybe she could get someone to help her, but then your user is not "grandma" anymore.

    5. Re:Dapper is good, but it's not there yet. by brainee28 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You just don't get it do you? The vast majority of PC's that "Grandma" are using are Dell's, Compaq/HP's, Gateway's or Sony's These all come PRE-INSTALLED with MP3 Support, DVD Support, and Multimedia CODECS. This type of user never reinstalls their systems from scratch. Restore discs, Geek Squad, or grandson with computer experience. The comparison is flawed. Windows XP on its own does not prepackage any MP3 support, any DVD support, and any "accelerated" video drivers from Nvidia or ATI. None of these are available from Microsoft via Windows Update that I know of. I'm sick of hearing this FUD argument.

    6. Re:Dapper is good, but it's not there yet. by symbolic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think I said that quite bluntly. And when grandma, or any other non-tech savvy person, can't play MP3s or family videos on Ubuntu because of "licensing restrictions," they aren't going to know what to do.

      Actually, I'd be more concerned that they know what this means rather than exactly what to do about it. They need to know that in some situations [insert licensing entity here] is either refusing to avail their 'technology' on this platform, or that they require payment in order to use it. I'd like to see Americans start to gain a greater understanding of the political aspect of technology, and how it affects the choices they have.

    7. Re:Dapper is good, but it's not there yet. by From+A+Far+Away+Land · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think Ubuntu should have a popup for people not in the USA, to a site like Easy Ubuntu, so they can play MP3s, without editing files and manually downloading codecs. Really, Windows users don't have to do that, why should Linux users be inconvenienced?

    8. Re:Dapper is good, but it's not there yet. by advocate_one · · Score: 3, Insightful
      It's not ready for grandma to use,

      whoah... let's kill this "It's not ready for grandma to use" meme... I'm a grandparent and I have absolutely NO problems with Linux at all... If Grandma can follow a recipe in a recipe book, or follow a set of knitting instructions (and I'm pretty sure very few of you could), then she's perfectly capable of following the instructions for doing easyubuntu or automatix... although looking at Arnieboy's thread for automatix... even I'm confused... trying to work out where to start with it

      and the easy ubuntu page of instructions, while simple, fail to mention that you have to copy and paste each line at a time into a terminal... durr... come on guys... switch on... some people require very explicit step by step instructions to do this...

      mind you, recipe books assume a lot of basic knowledge and so do knitting patterns...

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    9. Re:Dapper is good, but it's not there yet. by SlimFastForYou · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is one of the things that has bugged me the most about Linux distros, but it's all as a result of software patents and copyrights, not a fault of the distros.

      On Ubuntu's site, there is an easy and excelent step-by-step walkthrough to get everything to work, as well as an explanation for why they legally cannot include that stuff in the core distro. RestrictedFormats. Another thing I had trouble with is getting midi to work (not sure why that didn't work out-of-the box, but Ubuntu's wiki had good instructions for getting midi files to work too. I downloaded the DVD iso and I must say, the install and desktop experience is the best I've had - Windows or Linux.

      They are also in the process of trying to reach a point of automation where getting everything working is as easy as possible while still complying with the law. See RestrictedFormatsProblem and RestrictedFormatsSolutions.

      And as always, if you want it done faster, feel free to lend them a hand. The solution you propose is being worked out and discussed; for starters you can look here. As far as the law goes, well, the congressional elections are coming soon (if you live in the US) so find out how your incumbent has been voting and get 'em out if you don't agree with how they've been voting on tech issues.

    10. Re:Dapper is good, but it's not there yet. by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful
      My co-worker wasted a couple hours trying to install a second graphics card on Ubuntu, before inserting the card into a Windows machine and realizing that the card simply didn't work. IMO, that illustrates a significant reason to stay away from desktop Linux.

      Yes. That reason: your coworker should not be doing his own installs.

      I'm honestly not an elitist - I tease my coworkers about using Windows and they tease me about Linux, but it's all in fun. However, Linux tried for two hours to tell your pal that the graphics card didn't work, and he wasn't willing to believe it until Windows said the exact same thing. That doesn't indicate a flaw with either OS, but rather a serious problem with your coworker.

      Did he also get frustrated when Linux wasn't able to find his SCSI drives, and even more so when Windows confirmed that he only had IDE installed?

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  5. Me experiences by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Informative
    I just finished spending about 3 hours on a test install on my IBM Thinkpad notebook.

    In a nutshell:

    • install was flawless. Very clean, very fast. I like the LIve CD initial install, then the icon to do the full install.
    • apps install were a good selection, not the usual Linux overwhelming "install all apps I can find". Organization of the apps on the menus was nice.
    • I like the admin capability, instead of having to bounce to root when I want to do something. Much more thought out than Microsoft Vista's harassing UAC.
    • wireless support was lacking. It saw my Atheros 802.11abg PC Card, but could not do anything with it. I could not connect to my wireless network, even when I cycled security down to 'no security', i.e., it could not connect to a wide open access point.
    • I tried to send a test page to a network printer (a share on a Windows box) , and the whole notebook hung solid. Power-down required to get it moving again.

    So overall, I'd say, "excellent" on the visuals, apps choices, functionality (so long as wireless networking or network printers are not needed).

    IMO, desktop users will be happy. Notebook users will be less than happy.

    1. Re:Me experiences by Junta · · Score: 4, Informative

      -Wireless support:
      Funny thing there, install networkmanager (and probably the gnome applet to go with it) and a great deal of the complexity goes down. It's surprisingly easy. At least with my ipw chipset. It configured things for WPA or WEP or wide open. It lacks LEAP support and therefore I couldn't use just that and had to do more advanced things, but if you just need wide open, WEP, and WPA support it will make configuring the wireless Windows-easy.

      -Remote print support:
      I recently wrestled with printing to a windows desktop system with attached printer, but the bad side effect wasn't as you described. In my case, the target windows Box print queue would hang, requiring restart of the windows print spool service. The workaround was to disable bidirectional support under the ports tab of the printer tab on the windows box. At least in my case with an hp printer/hpijs, you can't do the bidirectional support on a windows server, but hplip would support it locally, but that won't help to access a windows printer.

      So wireless support they left out the thing that makes it much easier by default (don't understand why), and with that it would have been very nearly perfect there.

      Print support to a Windows shared printer was quite evil and obscure google searches were required to figure it out. It was nothing that Ubuntu itself could have done much about, since HPLIP doesn't support remote printing, and HPIJS supports remote printing, but not the bidirectional features. Add to that the only work around is a server-side print config change. However, I imagine this to be a fairly frequent for Ubuntu users and probably should be documented somewhere prominent.

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  6. Re:Desktop/Server/Alternate by jmataya · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the Ubuntu website http://www.ubuntu.com/ />, alternate is for:

    * creating pre-configured OEM systems;
    * setting up automated deployments;
    * upgrading from older installations without network access;
    * LVM and/or RAID partitioning;
    * installing GRUB to a location other than the Master Boot Record;
    * installs on systems with less than about 192MB of RAM.

    Sounds to me like something that could be invaluable to people not necessarily running the latest and greatest.

  7. This is useless by MoogMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm sorry, but you cannot review a whole operating system in two days. Sure, you can get the immediate "ease of use" and an idea of the speed of things. But it's only when you start using it properly every day for at least a month or more, you can appreciate whether an Operating System is good for you, or not.

    Saying that, Ubuntu already won me over at Breezy. With the new Gnome 2.14, Dapper is much faster again.

  8. A milestone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have been checking on Kubuntu for about a year now. I always said Kubuntu is not yet but has great potential. That was mainly because of the work that has already been done and the resources FOSS makes available. Add to that the a rich guy and you get the great potential. I used to throw away the CD I burnt but yesterday was the first time I was not disappointed with it and I even went ahead and installed on one of the desktops I have. Draper Drake is a milestone to Ubuntu and Linux. Great distro over all. It is clean, fast, reliable and robust. I think it will be the envy of many including MS.

  9. Good, but... by freakified · · Score: 3, Informative

    While Ubuntu is, IMO, the best Linux distribution out there, it still has issues. For example, I noticed that, in that default installation, there is a boot option for "Recovery Console," which simply gives anyone who starts it root access to the computer without a password. While it can be disabled by editing a configuration file, something like that should never have been added in the first place.

    Also, after installing Dapper on my computer in one location and then moving to another network, my ability to use DHCP suddenly disappeared! I'm sure I can get it back, by Mac OS X and XP didn't give me any trouble. (Though, to give credit where credit is due, XP died completely, because of a hardware upgrade, which, didn't affect Dapper at all.)

    All in all, though, not to be overly negative, I recently set up Dapper on a school development computer and got Apache, PHP, PostgreSQL, and SSH working in a matter of minutes, so, to the developers of Ubuntu, kudos.

    1. Re:Good, but... by smash · · Score: 4, Informative
      While it could be seen as a security "issue" - there's nothing to stop someone booting a knoppix CD, linux boot floppy or any other number of options to get root on a Linux machine they have physical access to.

      If you're paranoid about your users getting root on the box, physically secure it for a start and deny them shutdown permission (to reboot to the boot menu) you'd be better off...

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    2. Re:Good, but... by Poppler · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For example, I noticed that, in that default installation, there is a boot option for "Recovery Console," which simply gives anyone who starts it root access to the computer without a password. While it can be disabled by editing a configuration file, something like that should never have been added in the first place.

      I don't love that, but it's not a big deal for most people. It's certainly not something that should prohibit average desktop users from running Ubuntu. Try holding Apple-S during boot on your OS X machine sometime, it does the same thing.
      Besides, if someone really wants your data and has physical access to your unencrypted hard drive, you're screwed anyway.

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  10. MEPIS: (K)Ubuntu with codecs by rbrander · · Score: 5, Informative

    Probably the two biggest issues that many have with Ubuntu are that it takes extra work to install MP3 support - not to mention every other codec or player.

    MEPIS has recently confirmed the fears of some that Ubuntu is turning into a platform, displacing Debian itself...MEPIS is/was a KDE desktop based on Debian. The founder's concern with the stability and reliability of the Debian base recently led him to base his distro on Ubuntu sources instead.

    So now with MEPIS, you get Ubuntu, except that it's KDE default, and it comes with every player (Real, Quicktime) and codec plugin for Kaffeine that can be found. Plus, the general layout of menus and the installer have won good reviews all around.

    They're currently a week into beta4 on the new version based on the Dapper base and will likely have an RC1 out by mid-June.

  11. Re:Pretty nice by Council · · Score: 4, Informative

    To both parent and GP, I figured out how to do this. It takes some work, like many things in Linux, but is doable.

    http://www.ublug.org/ubuntu/twinview/twinview-howt o-breezy.html This may help.

    I had to put this in the Device section:

            Identifier "NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x]"
            Driver "nvidia"
    Option "RenderAccel" "1"
    Option "DigitalVibrance" "127" #Vary me
    Option "backingstore" "true"

    #twinview
            Option "TwinView" "1"
            Option "TwinViewOrientation" "RightOf"
            Option "SecondMonitorHorizSync" "31.5-82.0"
            Option "SecondMonitorVertRefresh" "50-70"
            Option "MetaModes" "1600x1200,1280x1024; 1280x1024,1280x1024; 1280x1024,NULL; 1024x768,NULL; 800x600,NULL; 640x480,NULL"

    Ubuntu has been wonderful compared to other Linux distros. There are still headaches, and I think it's disingenuous to say that it is anywhere near as easy to use as Windows. I gave Dapper (beta 6) to my friend, claiming this. He was happy with the install and was delighted when the first thing he saw was that it had put icons on his desktop for his Windows drive. He clicked on them, and it said "you do not have permission to access this" (because the drives are mounted by root). There was no obvious recourse (the solution being editing /etc/fstab). From that point on, selling Ubuntu to him as easy-to-use was something of a losing battle.

    It just really bothers me that literally the first thing he saw on his nice, clean desktop was broken. I have had exactly the same situation in installs on other computers (which is why I knew how to fix it). I sincerely hope this is working in the current release.

    I use Ubuntu as my desktop OS, mainly because of Ion3. I love the strength and flexibility of Linux. But I no longer recommend it to those without serious computer experience. Ubuntu is trying very hard, but I think it's gonna take them a couple more years. I know this is the cliche in Linux, "ready for the desktop in five years", and I don't think it will necessarially be that long.

    It's just that any OS designed for non-experts needs to do a lot more whole-system novice-user testing.

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  12. Easy Dual Boot Install by d3ik · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm a Windows user who's been looking at Ubuntu for awhile. I had tried Fedora and Mandrake in the past, but I just wasn't impressed enough to switch.

    All I have to say is: wow! I burned the 'Desktop' CD, booted it up on my Thinkpad R52, and was able to play around in the OS to get familiar with the environment. Once I was satisfied that everything was running smooth (it saw all of my devices, including wireless, with no problem) all I had to do was click on the 'Install' icon on the desktop.

    The installer itself was excellent. Like I said having installed other distros in the past this graphical install *in a desktop environment* was excellent. The part that I had dreaded the most was setting up dual boot (I already had XP installed). The installer saw the XP partition (NTFS) and allowed me to resize it and install Ubuntu in the newly freed space (and automatically installed GRUB). This was absolutely beautiful functionality, and I think it will really make a great transitional tool for migrating us lame Windows users over to Linux.

  13. Impressive by ditoa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am a [very] long term Windows user and Windows Admin for a large corporation witl 100,000+ desktops. I love Windows. It is a superb operating system for a corporate environment. Sure it can be a pain in the arse because of updates but its ability to be centrally managed, etc is awesome. There is nothing else that can compete with it on an enterprise level, not even the stunning OS X 10.4. However Ubuntu 6.06 is an incredible operating system. While I am a Windows user I have a lot of respect for a lot of other operating systems. Linux being one of them. Ubuntu is probably the most professional release I have ever used. It installed without a hitch on my 6 months old IBM test workstation. I am very very impressed and I take my hat off to the Ubuntu team. The delay was worth it. Easily. They [the Ubuntu team] have done an incredible job and you have to respect that. I could easily give a Ubuntu system to a new computer user and they be able to learn how to use it for general tasks just as fast as a Windows system. You only have to go to the terminal as much as you need to go to the registry in Windows so it isn't really a battle on ease of use anymore. Ubuntu has brought Linux on par with Windows in that regard. Ubuntu just need to push on hardware support so that if it fails it fails gracfully. X server critical errors need to be replaced with a more graceful drop down to 800x600z256 colours similar to what Windows does. Also the most important thing to get working (other than the graphical interface) is the network. Once you have the network up and running you can get any other driver you need to. Ubuntu worked fine with my network card but I know that it isn't perfect from reports I have read online. I hope that this is fixed in the next release (7.01?). In a nutshell. SUPERB.

  14. Good for desktops, bad for certain laptops. by goofyheadedpunk · · Score: 5, Informative

    On May 29th, two days before release, an ATI bug was introduced via the xorg driver that makes Dapper unstable on certain ATI based systems. In my own case this means that my G4 is now unusable. Just as a reminder, if you think you might be affected, don't upgrade.

    Just for reference, the forum post and the bug report.

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  15. Xubuntu by Distinguished+Hero · · Score: 3, Interesting

    More importantly (for me), the first official release of Xubuntu (Xfce) is out.

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  16. Re:I still can't... by suv4x4 · · Score: 4, Funny

    this might sound obvious but you did burn from the iso rather than unpacking didn't you?

    Neither. I just went to Ubuntu's web site and wished it boots up really hard. Didn't work.

  17. Re:Gnome is unusable. by gimpimp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    you and your friend musn't be very experienced users then, as the ui for adding a windows share is very intuitive - where else would be be but the 'Places' menu? it's one click away.

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  18. Re:They CAN'T "rethink" MP3! by Andrew+Tanenbaum · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, they can. Fluendo, the makers of GStreamer, paid for a license. Canonical could include the GStreamer plugin binary legally, but because of Canonical's ideology, they won't, because the license wouldn't apply if a user recompiled it from source ----- yet they still include nVidia and ATI binary drivers, where a user can't recompile them at all.

  19. MP3 in Free Distros by xenocide2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The fundamnetal problem is that MP3s are patented. As long as Ubuntu is dedicated to giving out free and liberated software, they'll be at odds with the patent holders who hold the right ensure that neither of those goals is possible. Recently there have been attempts to work within the patent holder's framework to provide something legal and acceptable, but the closest we have is Fluendo's licencing program, which explicitly doesn't allow for redistribution, one of the key things in the GPL's operation. For example, Ubuntu can mail you a 6.06 CD containing the mp3 plugin, but it's legally questionable for you to redistribute those CDs to your friends. And MEPIS would certainly be in trouble, unless they also secured such a contract. Ubuntu represents it's distro as a "people should be able to modify and share changes" aka a Free Software distro. This contract goes against this ideal, and if MEPIS isn't aware of this contract, and chooses to modify Ubuntu in other ways, then Ubuntu's exposed the people they told could modify the software, people like they guy behind MEPIS, to hidden legal liabilities.

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    1. Re:MP3 in Free Distros by xenocide2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      From the Ubuntu front page:
      "The Ubuntu community is built on the ideas enshrined in the Ubuntu Philosophy: that software should be available free of charge, that software tools should be usable by people in their local language and despite any disabilities, and that people should have the freedom to customise and alter their software in whatever way they see fit.

      These freedoms make Ubuntu fundamentally different from traditional proprietary software: not only are the tools you need available free of charge, you have the right to modify your software until it works the way you want it to."
      emphasis added

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  20. Broadcom Wireless works! by pherthyl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Finally!! For the first time my broadcom wireless networking card works with the open source driver! Follow this guide and it's easy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174

    No more ndiswrapper, and now I can use the absolutely amazing knetworkmanager!

  21. Ubuntu install easier than XP initial startup by jrifkin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This past week I've install Ubuntu on my old gateway laptop, and help a friend set up (not install) XP on her
    new HP laptop.

    The Ubuntu install was suprisingly easy. I answered 3 or 4 questions, like my name and my time zone, and
    do I want to install Ubuntu on the entire hard drive (I answered yes). After the install finished, my wireless was working
    without a hitch, and I had a nice clean desktop to enjoy.

    In comparison, the XP setup was mystifying, and it was *already* installed. During bootup, windows kept popping up,
    sometimes several unrelated windows at once. First, a registration window came up. While we were trying to answer
    the list of questions there, an Anti-Virus wizard popped up. Next a little window came up to tells use that XP had found
    my wireless network, but strangely enough the registration app didn't know how to use it.

    Next, a Recovery wizard popped up and recommended that we make recovery disks (using 1 double layer DVD, 2 single layer DVDs,
    or 13! CDs). Another little window told use to install an XP update, so I completed that first. Then, we took the suggestion of
    the Anti-Virus wizard to reboot, and we've never seen the Recovery wizard since. We even went searching the disk and the
    help system - couldn't find it.

    Wireless never came up by itself, we had to drill into the Control Panel to enable it.

    When we were all done, we were greeted by a desktop festooned with icon/ads. There was an icon for Blockbuser,
    AOL dialup, AOL broadband, MS Office 2003 60 day trial, etc.

    Another point of comparison, when I inserted my USB key in the Ubuntu laptop, a folder appears with a list of files on the key. Nice. Under XP,
    before I can even view the contents, I have to choose who to see it. It is a photo album? A slideshow? There were more choices than could
    fit in the pop-window, one had to scroll down to see the Ubuntu equivalent option, view files.

    In every way I preferred Ubuntu experience, and I'm sure my grey-haired Mom would feel the same.