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Tom's Overly Detailed Vista Review
prostoalex writes "The weekend is here, and several software sites have published extensive reviews of Windows Vista for your reading enjoyment. Tom's Hardware is running a 500 hour Windows Vista review that spreads out 40 pages." From the article: "This new operating system is huge: it has more than 37,800 files, taking up a total of 10 GB. Part of this size stems from the fact that the current Beta is for the so-called "Ultimate Edition", which contains all available components, including complete versions of both Tablet PC and Media Center capabilities. In addition, many applications have been compiled in debug mode, so some space savings should occur for final versions once that debug switch is turned off. For our Windows Vista preview, we used Build 5381."
Let me save you some time, this is a dupe.
As a "subscriber", I get the preview of articles with the blurb: See any serious problems with this story? Email our on-duty editor. at the bottom. This gives opportunity to correct errors (doesn't happen much) and more importantly help stem the tide of dupes. I replied, told them "DUPE, BIG TIME", but alas. (It's a dupe of Tom's Hardware Looks at Microsoft Vista Beta.)
So, since it's a dupe, and I already posted to that story, feel free to read my post again.
(I don't mind the occasional dupe, I wonder why a mechanism to prevent them is offered if it isn't used. Sigh.)
You can read the original thread here
And if you don't like clicking through 40 pages, there's a print view here
My MythTV HowTo
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/31/windows_vis ta/print.html
All you have to do is append print.html to the end.
Thanks a lot dude for the simple trick !!s ta/print.html
The link you gave didnt work though.
Here the right one.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/31/windows_vi
Why does yahoo do this
That's why God invented Print Versions: http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/31/windows_vis ta/print.html
I'm Rocco. I'm the +5 Funny man.
I tried going directly to the printer friendly version and was redirected to the standard version. Tom's Hardware seems to be checking to make sure that people are coming only from their site when they try to see the printer-friendly version. So if you're running into trouble, try manually changing index.html to print.html.
prostoalex's name at the start of the article is clickable; Submitters get to link a site of their choosing as a reward for getting a successful story in. In Roland's case, the article itself linked to his blog as well as his name. In this case, prostoalex's name has linked to 3 different sites he runs.
I am one of many. My idea is not unique, nor do I expect my voice alone to sway you. I speak in a chorus of opinion.
There are a few Firefox extensions that have done that for a while.
Why is it that when you believe something it's an opinion, but when I believe something it's a manifesto?
"it has more than 37,800 files"
For comparison: my Mac (Mac OS X 10.4.6) has:
- about 78000 files in
/System
- about 100000 files in
/Library
- about 40000 files in
/usr
- about 65000 files in
/Developer
- about 110000 files in
/Applications (this includes third-party apps I installed)
The lesson you should learn from this is that the number of files is not really a meaningful indicator of the complexity of a system.My System and Library folders on Mac OS X occupy 7 GB. It is practically only native Apple stuff going in there. Add a number of applications, and you are up to 8 GB, standard installation.
Much of it has to do with "internationalization", having language resources (help files, menus whatever) in some fifty major languages. Hard core 7-bit people can get rid of this, but for many of us this is very very practical.
I learned this from a post on another Tom's related link on /.
Just append print.html to end of the Tom's URL and get the one page print article.
I figure if the article is a dupe, might as well dupe any useful comments, right?
Compilers (gcc, g++, gnat, fortran, perl, python, ruby, ocaml, haskell, lisp, scheme, awk, ...)
.Net framework (at least one version will almost certainly included with Vista) has compilers for C++, C#, and VB.Net.
/. article from a week or two ago)
.txt files with Notepad++ because Notepad works just as well as Notepad++ would for them.
To be fair, the
Basic drivers (See
Which article?
Nobody uses Paint. Nobody uses Wordpad. Nobody uses Notepad. Nobody uses Outlook Express. Nobody plays Solitaire and Minesweeper.
That's a big BS. Maybe Wordpad. But paint; people use that sometimes. I personally use Notepad all the freaking time.* So do many people I know. I'll occasionally play Solitare and Minesweeper. I'm pretty sure some people use Outlook.
I'm not disputing your overall point which is that comparing a Linux distro to Vista sizewise is a stupid comparison, but you're being *slightly* unfair to Windows here.
*I was using Notepad++ instead of Notepad, but then I had to reinstall Windows (and everything else) when my hard drive I guess decided that it was tired of spinning, and I've never reassociated
Wrong. Windows may have more driver *support* in some cases, but those drivers don't come packaged with Windows. Linux supports more hardware out of the box than any other OS.
And most Linux distros will package at least KDE and Gnome, along with Windowmaker, Enlightenment, Fluxbox, Blackbox, Xfce, IceWM, etc. Again, Windows takes more space to do less.
Game! - Where the stick is mightier than the sword!
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/31/windows_vis ta/print.html
Someone in a previous Tom's Hardware thread pointed out that adding "print.html" to the end of any TH article will magically give you a ONE Page article.
Thank you fief (12961). It looks like you've learned a thing or two since getting that low UID .
[Fuck Beta]
o0t!
Lots of pictures but not a lot of text... If he removed the screenshots, he could have fit it all on one page! Of course some people *LOVE* screenshots. So, I guess you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. Damn you, Tom!
Ditto for OS/X.
Not true at all. The default install for my G5 was well over 10 gigs on OSX 10.4.x.
I think this review sucks but for you guys who want to read it..s ta/print.html
:) and much more readable.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/31/windows_vi
Tada!
Its on one page
You have to copy-paste the link now. They went so far as to redirect Slashdot referrals to the ad-ridden version.
Just out of curiosity, what's your gripe with the registry?
.. as programs store their configs in the registry, it is not possible to point an app to a different configuration. Ie- in a *nix config, I can simply point my apps to different config files and this adjusts runtime accordingly. Pretty nice for testing as well (much easier than attempting to locate a config key, export from registry, make a change, run it.. see if it works, reimport the reg key, yada yada..).
.. I do like the fact the registry provides a standard interface for configuration data (versus various config file formats when dealing with text configs). Though I would like to see separate registry files for each app (ie a user config, system-wide config) so I have the ability to see *exactly* what config settings a particular app uses and modifies.
While in *theory* the registry is ok, I find major problems in the following areas:
1. Migrating configs from one system to another system. On a *nix based system, I can simply copy the text configs and be on my way.. With the registry, there is no standard way to export the config of a given application easily and consistently.
2. Organization - ties into #1 -- there are LOTS of programs that store/update/modify registry information in various parts of the registry. As a result, it is *VERY* difficult to track down configuration issues unless it has been previously documented (ie KB article). Outlook tops my list for aggervation with this one.
3. Lack of alternate configs
4. Lots of data loaded un-necessarily. The registry contains a LOT of information. Configs for apps I use infrequently still are loaded and still need to be dealt with (a source of general slowdown).
5. No ability to add comments to particular settings (ie a comment line in a text config file).
6. AFAIK, no built-in versioning control (can't see how the registry has changed over time)
Having said all that
It's the one application I can't live without. Ever try to copy and paste from one "rich" app to another? Notepad to the rescue! It strips off that font color / background color / font size in a flash. Oh, and don't get me started about calc. I love that thing. I stopped hunting for my calculator somewhere in the 90's and never looked back.
Besides, it's more like (cut 'n pasting with calc: (40-15)= ) 25 GIGS!
A Windows Vista Premium Ready PC includes at least 40 GB of hard drive capacity with 15 GB free space.It took five years for This ? I imagine that there is more, but I don't know what. I've probably trialized some genuine improvements. But on the whole, Vista seems pretty underwhelming, and in any case, my fondest hope is that I can stick with Windows 9 until either Linux really works well, or Microsoft rethinks its approach to OSes and delivers up somthing that does less and does it better.
You can't see ANYTHING from a car, You've got to get out of the goddamned contraption and walk...Edward Abbey