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China Frustrated In Encryption Talks

mikesd81 writes "According to an AP article, the Chinese are pushing for the encryption standard called WAPI. It's not going so well, as the majority of countries are taking the IEEE standard 802.11i. From the article: 'An international dispute over a wireless computing standard took a bitter turn this past week with the Chinese delegation walking out of a global meeting to discuss the technology. The delegation's walkout from Wednesday's opening of a two-day meeting in the Czech Republic escalated an already rancorous struggle by China to gain international acceptance for its homegrown encryption technology known as WAPI. It follows Chinese accusations that a U.S.-based standards body used underhanded tactics to prevent global approval of WAPI.'"

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  1. Maybe I'm too paranoid, but... by damburger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Isn't it possible the Chinese could be pushing an encryption standard because they know a flaw in it they can exploit?

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    1. Re:Maybe I'm too paranoid, but... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Uh...licensing costs? They just steal it. It's standard operating procedure. Seriously.

      Just this weekend, I was at the local expo at my city here in China (I'm an expat). I open up their little guide magazine that comes with the gift bag and city map. Inside, I find content ripped off directly from my own website (I run the local English-language city guide). It's stuff that I wrote, and the freaking government copied it. Of course, there was no use complaining - what am I going to do, sue?

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    2. Re:Maybe I'm too paranoid, but... by wrook · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I just want to point out:

      It's not stealing, it's infringing.

      And it may not even be infringing because China is not a member of the Berne convention. They do not have copyright in the way that western countries do. I'm not overly familiar with Chinese laws, so I don't know if what they do is illegal. But I suspect not.

      As an expat in a foreign country, you should be aware that there are foreign laws.

  2. It boils down to... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ...who can crack whose encryption.

    The Chinese want their encryption to be the standard so that they can use their backdoor.

    The US wants its encryption to be the standard so they can use their backdoor.

  3. censorship by kdougherty · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm not trying to be negative, especially towards China... However, I would never accept a security concept from any government that filters and censors their country's internet. Seems like an oxymoron to me.

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    1. Re:censorship by swb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't trust the Chinese either, but they're not the only villains on this stage.

      That's kind of like saying because I've played catch with a baseball, I should be judged among the NY Yannkees.

      Even if you add up all the villainy of the U.S. government over the last 55 years -- COINTELPRO, MKULTRA, NSA eavesdropping, and virtually everything the Bush administration has proposed, it still doesn't come close to the Chinese level of villainy.

      Even if Tiananmen Sqaure was the only oppressive, murderous thing the Chinese have ever done -- and it isn't -- they would still be in a category of oppression and dictatorship that has only Stalinist Russia and Nazi Germany as peers.

      The thing that frustrates me the most about the Bush Administration's "War on Freedom" isn't so much the invasion of privacy or the possible usurption of the constitution (although they are infuriating), it's the global and internal notion that we now have achieved some kind of oppression parity with the Chinese. When I hear this, I know it's just ignorance talking, but it still drives me mad that a level of snooping that's not even in the same league as every day corporate data mining or desktop spyware suddenly has people believing the U.S. government steals pages from Mao's playbook.

  4. Re:I trust neither by kestasjk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's always a possibility that Rijndael was chosen because the NSA noticed a vulnerability in the algorithm which the rest of the cryptanalyst community hasn't found, but it does seem (vanishingly) unlikely.

    I trust Rijndael with my data for now, I've yet to see a good reason not to. Just because the NSA decided to adopt it doesn't make it vulnerable. The NSA adopted Linux too, does that make Linux vulnerable?

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  5. The point of WEP and it's successors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The point of wireless encryption isn't to prevent anyone from sniffing the data. As soon as the data leaves the AP, it reverts to whatever form of traffic it was - POP, HTTP, HTTPS, FTP, whatever. The Chinese have more than enough access to intercept any network traffic in China in a centralized location; they don't have to sit outside your home sniffing wireless traffic.

    I've always thought that WEP and it's like are overrated. If you want something to be secure, you need end-to-end encryption. You shouldn't be sending confidential data over _any_ part of the network, wireless or not, without a secure protocol like SSH or HTTPS. If you have end-to-end encryption, WEP becomes much less important.

    Extra crackability may not be bad, from the Chinese point of view; control freaks try to get as much power as they can, and I can see some bureaucrat pushing for this just because. Just like in the US, where we have officials who say they absolutely need some new privacy-intrusive measure even though existing measures already cover everything they could legitimately want (like warrantless wiretapping - or CALEA).

  6. Re:I trust neither by Pale+Dude · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That is one clever piece of NSA-misinformation. Fairly standard for NSA though. And you bought it.

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  7. Re:Not so fast Sherlock... by jdhutchins · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's also possible the NSA knew of some weakness, and then subtly changed the algorithm to fix it. The NSA's internal research is possibly many, many years ahead of the rest of the world's research. IIRC, when DES was being developed, the NSA made some changed to it, but didn't say why. Years later, when differential cryptography was invented/discovered, the NSA's changes made perfect sense because it made the algorithm resistant to many of those types of attacks.

  8. Re:Raises interesting question by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Interesting
    What if some day the Chinese decided that they're not going to produce devices that don't meet their standards?

    Then world governments dictate that all WAPI-enabled router imports ship with an OpenVPN installer CD, and we all go the sane route of running trusted VPN software over untrusted open Wi-Fi connections.

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